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I am glad the lord will never forsake us, nor leave us. He is with us in all things we may go through, when others seem to be doing something else, Jesus is right there next us. Bless his Holy Name!!.. I LOVE YOU JESUS!!
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hi Swordsman4JC, that is a very interesting statement. So you believe in the once save, always saved doctrine. I personally do not subscribe to this as it seams to contradict what the Bible teaches.
Hebrews 6:4-6, Quoting the "Gods Word" Bible, says: "Some people once had God's light. They experienced the heavenly gift and shared in the Holy Spirit. They experienced the goodness of God's word and the powers of the world to come. Yet, they have deserted {Christ}. They are crucifying the Son of God again and publicly disgracing him. Therefore, they cannot be led a second time to God." Clearly, these were not doubting Christians or unsaved.
Further, looking at Hebrews 10:26, 27, Quoting the "Gods Word" Bible, which says: "If we go on sinning after we have learned the truth, no sacrifice can take away our sins. All that is left is a terrifying wait for judgment and a raging fire that will consume God's enemies." Again, these do not seam to me to be doubting Christians or unsaved Christians. Once spirit lead faithful worshipers rejected God, their sin of unbelief and what other fleshly ways they fell into once they backslid, will not be forgiven them, unless they repent!
Finally, consider Satan. Satan who was not created evil, in fact, he was created perfect, but rebelled against God and turned many loyal angels against God. All of which were once faithful and loyal servants of God, saved and sealed by the holy spirit. Now, God has rejected them and they are destined for destruction.
So take heart that God is with you as long as you prove loyal to him, but if you leave God, He will leave you.
Hebrews 6:4-6, Quoting the "Gods Word" Bible, says: "Some people once had God's light. They experienced the heavenly gift and shared in the Holy Spirit. They experienced the goodness of God's word and the powers of the world to come. Yet, they have deserted {Christ}. They are crucifying the Son of God again and publicly disgracing him. Therefore, they cannot be led a second time to God." Clearly, these were not doubting Christians or unsaved.
Further, looking at Hebrews 10:26, 27, Quoting the "Gods Word" Bible, which says: "If we go on sinning after we have learned the truth, no sacrifice can take away our sins. All that is left is a terrifying wait for judgment and a raging fire that will consume God's enemies." Again, these do not seam to me to be doubting Christians or unsaved Christians. Once spirit lead faithful worshipers rejected God, their sin of unbelief and what other fleshly ways they fell into once they backslid, will not be forgiven them, unless they repent!
Finally, consider Satan. Satan who was not created evil, in fact, he was created perfect, but rebelled against God and turned many loyal angels against God. All of which were once faithful and loyal servants of God, saved and sealed by the holy spirit. Now, God has rejected them and they are destined for destruction.
So take heart that God is with you as long as you prove loyal to him, but if you leave God, He will leave you.
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Bizarre that you find a problem with this post. Swordsman4JC has just written of his personal experience of Jesus' faithfulness, an experience that is reflected throughout the Bible and in millions of Christian lives around the world.
The once saved always saved issue has its place, I'm sure. But it has no place in nullifying praise to Jesus.
Praise God that Swordsman4JC and millions of others can testify that he is faithful.
The once saved always saved issue has its place, I'm sure. But it has no place in nullifying praise to Jesus.
Praise God that Swordsman4JC and millions of others can testify that he is faithful.
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Amen my friend!!!!!!!!!!!!
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So having been save by grace through faith, I have to spend the rest of my earthly life wondering whether my sin is grave enough to bar me from my eternal sonship. I obviously need to work hard to keep earning my status don't I?
Had you not noticed that the prodigal son, even when he was far away eating pigswill still remained a son complete with his father's DNA. His position and fellowship was non existent, but he was a son and would remain a son. The older brother who despite never leaving the family homestead was nevertheless also still distant from his father in terms of knowing his father's heart.
I confidently know that I am a son of God who has actually been born from above, by the Spirit of the Eternal Father. As such, like the Prodigal son I can never be unborn from my earthly or my heavenly father.
I can distance myself as far as the east is from the west, but as David said, "where can I go from your presence Lord?"
Much of the scripture which people use to justify the idea that we can lose our salvation actually refer to our earthly fellowship not our eternal life.
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Hi, Francis Drake:
So are you saying it does not matter what your sins are or whether you repent or stop practicing them, you will be saved!
It is obviously true we all sin many times throughout the day, but it must be noted, some sins are clearly in direct violation of God's standards and cannot just be forgiven. Such sins are mentioned in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, where Paul wrote: "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."
Notice they were washed clean by the blood of Christ and by stopping the serious sins they were practicing. That is why we must repent or stop doing such serious sins, you cannot expect to be able to commit very serious sins then just expect God to forgive you if you do not repent, that is not what the Bible teaches.
Notice how Peter describes some men in his day who had slipped into the congregation and were declaring they were saved while at the same time committing serious sins: 2 Peter 2:14-22, says: "With eyes full of adultery, they never stop sinning; they seduce the unstable; they are experts in greed—an accursed brood! They have left the straight way and wandered off to follow the way of Balaam son of Beor, who loved the wages of wickedness. But he was rebuked for his wrongdoing by a donkey—a beast without speech—who spoke with a man's voice and restrained the prophet's madness. These men are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them. For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of sinful human nature, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error. They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity—for a man is a slave to whatever has mastered him. If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. Of them the proverbs are true: "A dog returns to its vomit," and, "A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud."
Can you honestly say these people Peter was describing while writing under the influence of the holy spirit were saved? They were once but had cut themselves off by practicing unrepentant sin. So although one may be saved now, that does not mean we will always be saved if one unrepentantly practices serious sins.
So are you saying it does not matter what your sins are or whether you repent or stop practicing them, you will be saved!
It is obviously true we all sin many times throughout the day, but it must be noted, some sins are clearly in direct violation of God's standards and cannot just be forgiven. Such sins are mentioned in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, where Paul wrote: "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."
Notice they were washed clean by the blood of Christ and by stopping the serious sins they were practicing. That is why we must repent or stop doing such serious sins, you cannot expect to be able to commit very serious sins then just expect God to forgive you if you do not repent, that is not what the Bible teaches.
Notice how Peter describes some men in his day who had slipped into the congregation and were declaring they were saved while at the same time committing serious sins: 2 Peter 2:14-22, says: "With eyes full of adultery, they never stop sinning; they seduce the unstable; they are experts in greed—an accursed brood! They have left the straight way and wandered off to follow the way of Balaam son of Beor, who loved the wages of wickedness. But he was rebuked for his wrongdoing by a donkey—a beast without speech—who spoke with a man's voice and restrained the prophet's madness. These men are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them. For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of sinful human nature, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error. They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity—for a man is a slave to whatever has mastered him. If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. Of them the proverbs are true: "A dog returns to its vomit," and, "A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud."
Can you honestly say these people Peter was describing while writing under the influence of the holy spirit were saved? They were once but had cut themselves off by practicing unrepentant sin. So although one may be saved now, that does not mean we will always be saved if one unrepentantly practices serious sins.
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I'm not really sure what connection your comment has with mine. However one thing I know, just like the prodigal son, and the thief on the cross, sonship is not gained by the good things that you do. Sonship is about being born of the seed of our heavenly father, just like Jesus told Nicodemus in Jn3.
Likewise eternal life has nothing whatsoever to do with being a good person, eternal life, again is about sonship. I am a son because I called on his name. All my efforts to be good never helped one jot.
I was born on earth from the seed of my earthly father, impregnating an egg in my mother. Strange as it may seem, there is nothing I can do about that. Moving to another part of the world, changing my name, having plastic surgery to change my looks, none of these things can ever change the history of my earthly birth. I carry the DNA of both parents in my flesh.
Likewise my spiritual Father, I have his heavenly DNA within me. All the rebellion in the world can never change my new birth. Like it or not, God is stuck with me. The only way to stop any disgrace I might bring to his name would be for God to give me the reward of my sinfullness and shorten my life to call me home.
I suspect that this will ruffle a few feathers, but God made man in his own image and that includes the facts of life on both heaven and earth!
To comprehend where I am coming from lets look at the verse you quote.
1Cor6v9-12 Do you not know that the unrighteous ones shall not inherit the kingdom of God...................etc.
The kingdom of God here is clearly not meaning heaven when we die. Read the previous context and you will see that Paul is talking about the reign of God on earth. Remember what Jesus said when He started proclaiming the Gospel? "The Kingdom of Heaven is nigh unto you." The whole of Jesus's walk and ministry on earth, and that of the early church was a demonstration of the reign of God through his Son, and sons. It is this sphere that Paul is referring to, not when we die. Just look at the context. Both religious self righteousness and immorality equally enable the reign of Satan in a person's life.
Many verses that people quote regarding heaven are actually about the reign of God working on earth through his children. I am most certainly not talking about the institutional church system. I am talking about the activity of the Holy Spirit working like He did through Jesus and like He promised he would with his saints. That all changed when people decided to chase theological knowledge instead.