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What is the tithe? It is the "gateway for the believer into the covenant of blessings." In the Hebrew "maaser" or "maasrah," is translated tenth, or tenth part, and in Greek "apodekatoo" and in both, it means a payment or giving or receiving of the tenth.

The tithe is that tenth of our income that we give to God, which enables Him to move on our behalf in the area of blessings. The Bible records numerous accounts of man tithing to God. God is the creator of everything that exists. He owns everything and we are simply stewards of what we have been entrusted with. The tithe principle is this; "He gives unto us, we give back to Him one-tenth of all that He has blessed us with."

Abraham tithed unto Melchizedek, Isaac tithed, His son Jacob and many others also even before the law was given. Many Christians do not tithe because they have been taught that they are not under the law, but under grace. While this is a true statement, God did not institute the tithe to bring us under the law, but to get blessings to His children. Abraham tithed before the law, and God blessed him supernaturally. We're under grace that we might establish the law; not turn from it. Jesus said that He didn't come to do away with the law, but to fulfill it. Because He fulfilled it, we are to establish it. His Words are forever settled in heaven, therefore we establish His Words upon the earth.

Matthew 5:17-19: "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

Tithing According to the Law as Given by Moses

Leviticus 27:30 "And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD'S: it is holy unto the LORD."

This scripture states that all the tithe, whether it be seed of the land, fruit of the tree, or one tenth of all that you earn, is holy unto the Lord. Deuteronomy 14:22-29 states that one-tenth of all that comes into your possession, belongs to God. This was God's plan to instruct His people as to the way of blessings that He had for them. God is a multiplier by nature, and He could not multiply that which was not entrusted to Him. When the children of Israel were obedient to give back to God that which was His, increase was guaranteed. Scripture states, It's better to be obedient than to sacrifice. When the children of Israel were obedient, blessings came; when they were disobedient, they had to sacrifice. Many Christians today are wanting God to honor the covenant that He has with His children, but disobedient children cannot receive the same reward as the obedient.

1 Samuel 15:22: "And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams."

The strongest chain is only as strong as its weakest link. When we fail to tithe, we become that weak link. Statistics show that approximately 20% of Christians tithe. That means, 80% of Christendom is not in covenant with their God, but are like beggars and thieves looking for handouts and what they can steal from Him.

I have said many times, it would be better to rob the First National Bank than to rob the bank of Heaven. I'm sure most Christians don't see it this way, because most Christians steal from God. Malachi 3:8 asks the question "Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation."

The Old Testament records two other tithes; one tithe was called the "festival tithe," when they came to Jerusalem three times a year for fellowship. The expense for the festival, (travel, food, etc.) was taken from this tithe. The third tithe was given in the third year and was a tithe holy unto the Lord. It was a tithe of almsgiving for the poor and needy. All of these tithes were brought to the storehouse, and the priest oversaw the distribution of same. The first tithe was for the upkeep of the priests, since they had no inheritance. All of their income and portion was to be given to them by God's people. This tithe in and of itself, is not considered an offering. It is the minimum requirement for all of God's people.

The reason God instituted the second and the third tithe through Moses, was that His children needed to give above and beyond this tithe. It is these tithes that God is referring to in Malachi 3:8 where His people have robbed Him in tithes and offerings. In verse 10 of Malachi 3, you will notice that it states "Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it."

I am convinced that when people see the tithe as an instrument of blessing they will not be looking for a way to give less, but a way to give more. God will help them so that they can be generous on every occasion.

Tithing Establishes the Law

Tithing after the law does not do away with the law, but establishes it. Are you honestly blessed to where you can give generously on every occasion? Or are you like so many that can't give the way they would like to be able to? I've come to the knowledge that most Christians are looking for the truth, so they can be set free. Just because you're a child of God, does not mean you are a "mature" son of God. A mature son or daughter of God will not be found robbing "daddy" God. Revelation 3:18 gives us good counsel on how to re-establish right covenant with the Lord. Jesus' advice to those of us who have become lukewarm is to buy from Him gold that's been refined in the fire. He tells us to do this so that the shame of our nakedness will not be revealed.

Revelation 3:18: "I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see."

How do we buy gold from the Lord? Hebrews 1:7 states that His ministers are as "flames of fire." In Matthew 25:9, Jesus makes a statement concerning the five foolish virgins to go and buy from those who sell. What they needed to buy was oil. Oil symbolizes the Spirit. Those who are in the five-fold ministry (apostles, prophets, pastors, evangelists and teachers) have a command from the Lord to receive tithes (Hebrews 7). These tithes are not given, but paid, because the tithe belongs to the Lord. Malachi 3:3 states that the Lord will sit as a refiner, purifying the sons of Levi (those in the ministry) purging them as gold and silver, that they may offer to the Lord an offering in righteousness. I repeat, Jesus did not come to do away with law, but to fulfill it. Our job is to establish it.

There are those who say that the tithe is not covered in the New Testament, but in Hebrews 5, 6 and 7, one of the main subjects spoken of is the tithe--who receives it and how to become mature through paying it. In Hebrews 5:11-14 it states "...that you've become dull of hearing and that you should be teaching the first principles, but instead you have need of milk, and not solid food. For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the Word of righteousness, for he is a baby." This is preceded by the statement that Christ himself has become High Priest after the order of Melchizedek. In Chapter 6, it goes on to state that once you have been enlightened and tasted the heavenly gift--once you have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good Word of God--if you still fall away it is impossible to be renewed again to repentance, seeing that you crucify again for yourselves the Son of God and put Him to an open shame.

What is this good Word of God? This Word is "rhema" which means, the spoken or revealed Word of God. His Word has been revealed to you concerning Jesus as High Priest after the order of Melchizedek, meaning that Jesus has become High Priest over the tithe, (and your life) forever (vs. 20). Chapter 6 further states (vs. 9-19), that God blessed Abraham by saying "With blessings, I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply you." He also promised immutability (unchangeableness) of His counsel and confirmed it by swearing an oath that by these unchangeable things, we might have strong consolation and lay hold of the hope set before us. Verse 19 states that this hope we have is an anchor for our soul (mind), both sure and steadfast. I am convinced these two unchangeable things are both God's promise to bless us and our promise to tithe back to Him. Chapter 7 states in verse 8, "Here mortal men receive tithes, but there He receives them of whom it is witnessed, that He lives."

Chapters 5-7 deals with the ministry of Melchizedek and that Jesus is the priest forever according to Melchizedek. We know Abraham gave tithes of all that he possessed. We know in the Law of Moses, tithes were commanded. After the Law, Hebrews states that Jesus is the Lord, not just of the past, not just of the present, but forever. Hallelujah! He is the Lord of the tithe, forever.

Seeing that Jesus is the Lord of the tithe, is He our lord? If He is, there should be no question that we tithe unto Him. I can just hear someone saying, " If Jesus was my Pastor, I would tithe," but Hebrews 7:8 states "that men (subject to death) receive tithes on this side; but on the other side, Jesus Himself receives them." Why should we look for ways to excuse us from what we know we should be doing? Let's be about establishing and not doing away with His Words. The tithe was, and is and shall ever be holy unto the Lord.
 
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Chad,
your post has quite a bit to it.
Are you open to hearing some observations of what you've written?

At the beginning, you stated the tithe to be the "gateway for the believer into the covenant of blessings."

I can only guess that you get this from reading Malachi 3. Is that correct?
 
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Please read the sticky post of this forum. These are taken from Bible.com site not myself. They are all 100% legit from well known bible scholars and long been Christians with great knowledge of the Word of GOD.
 
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Chad said:
Please read the sticky post of this forum. These are taken from Bible.com site not myself. They are all 100% legit from well known bible scholars and long been Christians with great knowledge of the Word of GOD.
Does this mean that the long discourse on tithing is a quote from bible.com or is it based on other research?

I am assuming that because this is an open forum that an exchange of ideas is appropriate.... are you open to an exchange of ideas on this subject? Here it is anyway.

Remembering that the form of government in the OT was a theocracy meaning God is the king, tithes to God were actually taxes paid. A 10% tax rate, less than most of us pay.

So today we pay our "tithe" (only in our cases is more than 10%) to the governments in which we live. I live in California so I pay to the US government and CA government.

What I contribute to the church, missions, etc. is above and beyond the taxes I pay .... more like the love offering.
 
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I don't know where the the Feb date came from... but I actually posted that response a day or two on 12/9. Still haven't heart a response from Chad.

The increase thought is something new to me... I'll have to look into it.

I know most churches push tithing and I would'nt criticize them for that. It does cost $ to have a church builing to worship in, and a pastor(s) to lead the congregation and for all the teaching and other programs offered by churches. And I think if you are going to be part of a church you should support it financially. I believe Jesus' directive was to give sacrifically... in other words give up something you want or need to support your church or missionary etc. To some it might be 10%, others 2%, and maybe some 25%. It's not the amountm or the %, it's the motivation and sacrifice. Jesus story about the woman who gave the penny when it was all she had illustrates the point.
 
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pappa said:
Chad .... awaiting your response.
Hi pappa. Please understand that I will not respond right away for many reasons (away, work, shower, sleep, etc...lol).

Anyways, I strongly believe that the tithe is 10% of your "fruits" so to speak. Please re-read the Scripture verses mentioned in the first post.

The definition of tithe is 10% of 1/10th of the whole. So, increase of tithe does apply by default as the 10% itself still remains 10%, if you make more money, the 10% equivilent lets say in dollar amount is increased.

I won't get into mathematics now :) lol

GBU
 
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Chad said:
Hi pappa. Please understand that I will not respond right away for many reasons (away, work, shower, sleep, etc...lol).

Anyways, I strongly believe that the tithe is 10% of your "fruits" so to speak. Please re-read the Scripture verses mentioned in the first post.

The definition of tithe is 10% of 1/10th of the whole. So, increase of tithe does apply by default as the 10% itself still remains 10%, if you make more money, the 10% equivilent lets say in dollar amount is increased.

I won't get into mathematics now :) lol

GBU
I'm not questioning that the tithe is 10%. You are absolutely right on that point. I'm questioning that tithe requirement applies to our giving to the church and missionaries today. See my previous post on sacrificial giving.

btw thanks for responding
 
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Oh yes, about giving to Church, well the way I personally look at is the Church is the Body of Christ. Therefore, that is the first place I will give. I do not consider taxes as a form of tithe for example (as in OT that you explained) nowadays anyway. Reason is, the way I look at it is that it goes to governement, not Church and the state and church are seperate. It builds roads, houses, employs government works to do this and that and so forth.

To me tithing to Church is the most important part of sacrificing for GOD and His kingdom. Amen :)
 
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Chad said:
Oh yes, about giving to Church, well the way I personally look at is the Church is the Body of Christ. Therefore, that is the first place I will give. I do not consider taxes as a form of tithe for example (as in OT that you explained) nowadays anyway. Reason is, the way I look at it is that it goes to governement, not Church and the state and church are seperate. It builds roads, houses, employs government works to do this and that and so forth.

To me tithing to Church is the most important part of sacrificing for GOD and His kingdom. Amen :)
I understand your point of view Chad and I have no disagreement there. But the Tithe in the OT didn't go to the "church" equivalent in the OT. Remember that separation of church and state did not exist in the OT. It was a Theocracy with God as King so the 10% went to the Theocracy. That's why I say it correlates to the tax.

Giving is an individual matter between you and God, and your choice to give 10% to the church is really a good one. I respect you for it and am sure that it is sacrificial giving for you. What I am concerned about is that many preachers hammer people to give 10% as if it's a New Testament command. They make the person who gives 5% feel like they are disobeying God. That's what I object to. The churches have gotten the repution that they are after people's money.

Some churches I have attended recently approach the offering in this way:
The pastor welcomes visitors and asks them to put an information card in the offering but not money. The pastor makes it clear that the offering is for the church members to give in support of the church. And that visitors need not give. I really like that approach.

thanks for introducing this topic ... it is proving very interesting
 
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Personally for me, I view tithing as 10% of one's increase...which is my earnings. Ultimately, all my money is God's because I am a steward of His money on earth. That's why I must be careful how I use the money I earn because it must glorify God. I believe that 10% of that must be tithed to the church i.e. the body of Christ. So that is what I do. It basically goes to my church and in some cases to some ministries that are laid upon my heart.

I see this 10% as a minimum. God is real and I believe that He will honor my giving if I do it with a willing heart. It is true that I may not be absolutely sure how every penny of my tithe may be used by the church, but I give it in faith and leave that in my Father's hands.
If my interpretation is wrong, and I didn't 'need' to give that much or that often, so be it. My Father watches over me and will provide for me as always. I give because I'm grateful for all He has blessed me with. I don't feel that it is legalistic because I feel that I am honoring God when I do give. I'd rather overgive to glorify my Father, than undergive.

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Eden said:
Personally for me, I view tithing as 10% of one's increase...which is my earnings. Ultimately, all my money is God's because I am a steward of His money on earth. That's why I must be careful how I use the money I earn because it must glorify God. I believe that 10% of that must be tithed to the church i.e. the body of Christ. So that is what I do. It basically goes to my church and in some cases to some ministries that are laid upon my heart.

I see this 10% as a minimum. God is real and I believe that He will honor my giving if I do it with a willing heart. It is true that I may not be absolutely sure how every penny of my tithe may be used by the church, but I give it in faith and leave that in my Father's hands.
If my interpretation is wrong, and I didn't 'need' to give that much or that often, so be it. My Father watches over me and will provide for me as always. I give because I'm grateful for all He has blessed me with. I don't feel that it is legalistic because I feel that I am honoring God when I do give. I'd rather overgive to glorify my Father, than undergive.

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Perfectly well said :)

Pappa, same to you also. I understand your point now. I was not aware (or perhaps didn't remember) that about Church and state being as one in OT. I know now. I do remember a little about it, just not enough yet.
 
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hey everyone, The tithe practised by today's church isn't aligned with scripture. according to Duet. 14 states that the tithe on the first and second year is to be eaten by my household and myself in the presence of the Lord only the third year tithe is to go for the upkeep of the priest, the widow, orphen, and stranger. I haven't found any evidence of tithing being practiced by the New testament church in the bible. There are many accounts of people giving as the Spirit led them. Paul said we should give as we purpose in our OWN hearts with a good or happy attitude.
 
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Just seen this topic about tithing.Well, tithing is a command from God(Mal.3:8-12) and giving as the Holy Spirit leads you is an offering.So, there's a difference.Tithing is 10% of your gross for example income.It is holy.It is of the Lord, and it is written that in Malachi 3:8-12 that it is to be given to the church(storehouse)so that there will be food enough in His Temple(church in this case).This is so because the Levites, the priest then were not alloted a portion of the land by God bec.God is there portion and that there work is to keep the Temple of God.The main blessing of tithing is God Himself will rebuke the devourer(satan the stealer of our blessings from God).It means your delayed blessings will not be hindered anymore.The promotions or blessings dueto you, you will have.No bankcruptcy.Protection to your business, and family.Do God needs money?Of course not, but Deut.14:23(LB) says that the purpose of tithing is to put God first in our lives.For God's rival in the lordship on earth is money.Matthew 6 i think, says you choose your master, God or mammon(money).See, if you have a financial difficulties for example, ask first to yourself,"Am I tithing faithfully?"Coupled with tithing is offering, it is as we all know according to the decision from our hearts(Pls read 2 Cor.9- about offering).God Himself is sayin that if we do these both, He will open up a window so great in heaven that we won't have any room to take His blessings in.And he says Try me in this. God bless us. Peace is with us. TRY.
 
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I have been learning about tithing at church, and I believe that it has been put on my heart by God to do so. Chad, thanks for this thread, as it has helped me learn more and put my faith in the Lord to do this. :)

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[left]NLT 2 Corinthians 9:7 You must each make up your own mind as to how much you should give. Don't give reluctantly or in response to pressure. For God loves the person who gives cheerfully.[/left]
 
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Tithing In A Right Perspective

Hi guys! Peace is with us. I believe what is said in the article of Chad is Tithing in relation to our God. In Deut.14:23 it says that we tithe to put God first in our lives because as said in Matt.6:24 that we cannot serve two masters, God or money. You see, the other so called "god" of this world is money. So, money is the other god on this world aside from Our God.So we tithe and commanded by God yes in Mal.3:8-12 to show that we love God above money. And tithing sets other spiritual principles also like Chad said about God's blessings tithing activates in our lives. About offering in I Corinthians 9 it says to give according to our hearts decision cheerfully. That is offering. Tithing is 10% of our gross blessings. For example, the tithe in our income is 10% of the gross of it. Well, many can clariy these things, but I tell you, I'm experiencing the blessings of Tithing and offering in my life. Try it guys if you're not tithing. By the way, tithing is to be given to the church which is God's storehouse so that His servants have food. I'm sorry can't remember Bible basis, but it is written that what is of the priest's is of the Lord's.

Brothers, I like this site for even there's difference in opinions, thre's respect for each one and evrybody is heard. God bless us all. Peace is with us.
 
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Chad said:
Please read the sticky post of this forum. These are taken from Bible.com site not myself. They are all 100% legit from well known bible scholars and long been Christians with great knowledge of the Word of GOD.
I think we can all agree that being a Bible scholar doesn't make one infallible, even if we're talking about a whole group of them.

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Hi everyone,

Chad, this is what I read in your first post.
"That means, 80% of Christendom is not in covenant with their God, but are like beggars and thieves looking for handouts and what they can steal from Him."

Christians are not under the Old Covenant. We have a better covenant in Jesus Christ.

It would take too much space for me to write all I would like to say about this subject, but I found a site where the author explains it very well.
I hope it is not against the rules to post this 'link' here.
It's worth a good reading.

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no links without permission! rules apply to you as they do everyone else]


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