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Three Key Verses to understand the role of the Antichrist

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Precept upon precept.


John 4:25 Christ = the messiah
Mark 15:32 Christ = the messiah = the King of Israel
John 12:13 Christ = the messiah = the King of Israel = Jesus the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.

"Anti"- meaning instead of and against - Christ = the messiah = the King of Israel = Jesus the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.

What will make the person the Antichrist is that he will be anointed the King of Israel - instead of and against Jesus the rightful King of Israel.
 
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I agree with the above, but I would go a little further.

For example... here are some prophesies about the Messiah. This was before anyone knew who "Jesus" was.

Isa 9:6; For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

Isa 7:14; "Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel.

That last verse works in conjunction with...

Matt 1:23; "BEHOLD, THE VIRGIN SHALL BE WITH CHILD AND SHALL BEAR A SON, AND THEY SHALL CALL HIS NAME IMMANUEL," which translated means, "GOD WITH US."

The Jews believe the Messiah would be God Himself. The Bible says the "anti-christ" will deny this.

1 Jn 2:22; Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.

There are many prophesies about Jesus in the OT (we have covered just about all of them here on TJ at one time or another)
But if you don't believe the Messiah is the person in the two verses in Isaiah, there is a problem. If you don't believe Jesus is the person in the two verses in Isaiah, there is a bigger problem.

Compare this verse with John 1.

John 1:1; In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:14; And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.

The "Word" here is God. The "Word" here is Jesus. God became flesh and dwelt among us.

2 Jn 1:7; For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.

Anyone who doesn't acknowledge Jesus is "Christ" (the Messiah/God).. God in the flesh... is the antichrist. There are many who acknowledge that Jesus (the human man) came in the flesh. But not very many who acknowledge that Jesus (the only begotten Son of God) came in the flesh.

Col 2:9; For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,
 
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Precept upon precept.


John 4:25 Christ = the messiah
Mark 15:32 Christ = the messiah = the King of Israel
John 12:13 Christ = the messiah = the King of Israel = Jesus the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.

"Anti"- meaning instead of and against - Christ = the messiah = the King of Israel = Jesus the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.

What will make the person the Antichrist is that he will be anointed the King of Israel - instead of and against Jesus the rightful King of Israel.
Antichrist specifically mentioned 4 times in the bible. Specifically in epistles of John. Christ means Anointed.

Anti is rejection or against

To reject the anointed of God; you have to reject his words.

To reject the anointed of God you have to reject he came in the Flesh of men.

I also see your point though.
 
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The antichrist is a man of LAWLESSNESS (Gr. "anomia", 2 Th. 2:3, NASB, ESV).

This leads me to infer the following:

1. An evil characteristic of the antichrist is lawlessness (2 Th. 2:3).
2. Lawlessness is evil (from 1).
3. Lawfulness is good (from 2).
4. We should obey the law (from 3).
5. We Christians tend to not be concerned about obeying various portions of the law.

Hmmm....isn't this a problem?


Why are we not interested in learning how to better obey God's law?

Perhaps because we wrongly think God's law does not apply to us?
 
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The antichrist is a man of LAWLESSNESS (Gr. "anomia", 2 Th. 2:3, NASB, ESV).

This leads me to infer the following:

1. An evil characteristic of the antichrist is lawlessness (2 Th. 2:3).
2. Lawlessness is evil (from 1).
3. Lawfulness is good (from 2).
4. We should obey the law (from 3).
5. We Christians tend to not be concerned about obeying various portions of the law.

Hmmm....isn't this a problem?


Why are we not interested in learning how to better obey God's law?

Perhaps because we wrongly think God's law does not apply to us?
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Not everyone will be. What's most important is that you yourself are. You can do all things thru Christ. Is a race to the end so pace yourself and don't be discouraged by others.

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Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

2 Peter 3:16 "Paul" As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

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1 Corinthians 9:20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;

1 Corinthians 9:21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
 
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Seem people are always trying to tag a man here on earth to be the anti christ. There are evil men on earth that are against Christ but the one and only true anti christ is Satan Himself. He plays the role of anti christ. Many don’t realize that Satan goes by many names he has gone by, in the Bible. He has at least seven or eight names he goes by. From the beginning he was, the Tree of good and evil, the Serpent, Bright and shining one, Death, Satan, Devil, Abandon, Apollyon, deceiver, and I think there are more.

Anti christ will not be a flesh man, he is a super natural being, he is Satan himself. He plays the role of anti christ. There is only three entities spoken of in the Bible that have the ability to perform signs and wonders known as miracles. Those three are, God Almighty, the LORD and Father, Jesus the Christ , and Satan. I know that there were prophets that performed some miracles but they all said God performed those miracles through them.

Bible says that anti christ will show forth signs and wonders before men to deceive them or fool them into believing he is the true Christ. Bible says he will deceive many, ordinary people and preachers alike. Bible makes reference about the preacher man wanting the mountains/rocks to fall on them because of the shame they feel for being deceived into worshiping anti christ.

That would be a terrible thing. A man spend his whole life worshiping and teaching God’s word and really and truly loves the LORD, but at the very last, be deceived and worship the devil/Satan.
 
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John 12:13 Christ = the messiah = the King of Israel = Jesus the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.
Thus saith YHWH the King of Israel, and his redeemer YHWH of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no Elohim.
Isaiah 44:6

Joh 1:14; And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.
But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.
John 19:34

And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.
John 19:37

And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
Zecharaiah 12:10

No soldier with a spear:

Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.
Matthew 27:54

And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God.
Mark 15:39

Now when the centurion saw what was done, he glorified God, saying, Certainly this was a righteous man.
Luke 23:47
 

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