The Word of God

[Carico]

I'm afraid there are too many people who call themselves Christians who have no clue where to find the word of God. But if they don't know where to find the word of God, then they can't know who God is and thus can't worship Him.

The people who think that the bible contains errors in it either believe that the God they worship is fallible or that God is simply the imagination of the human authors of the bible. That would make him an imaginary God.

There is zero scripture that says that any part of scripture is fallible or is a lie. In fact, it says the opposite: 2 Timothy 3:16, "All scripture is God-breathed..." Thus, people who claim that the bible has errors in it have zero scriptural authority to say that. They're thus not speaking for God, but for Satan because only Satan says that God's word is in error.

So if you call yourself a Christian, yet say that the bible has errors in it, you are undermining the very source for your beliefs which is a house divided against itself which cannot stand. Jesus said; "He who is not with me is against me." One cannot be both.

 

[jiggyfly]

I'm afraid there are too many people who call themselves Christians who have no clue where to find the word of God. But if they don't know where to find the word of God, then they can't know who God is and thus can't worship Him.

The people who think that the bible contains errors in it either believe that the God they worship is fallible or that God is simply the imagination of the human authors of the bible. That would make him an imaginary God.

There is zero scripture that says that any part of scripture is fallible or is a lie. In fact, it says the opposite: 2 Timothy 3:16, "All scripture is God-breathed..." Thus, people who claim that the bible has errors in it have zero scriptural authority to say that. They're thus not speaking for God, but for Satan because only Satan says that God's word is in error.

So if you call yourself a Christian, yet say that the bible has errors in it, you are undermining the very source for your beliefs which is a house divided against itself which cannot stand. Jesus said; "He who is not with me is against me." One cannot be both.

I think that your understanding of the "Word of God" is limited if you believe it concerns only scripture.

John 1:1&2
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.


I also think that anyone who states that there are no errors in the various contradicting translations of the scriptures is suffering from religious denial.

So if you call yourself a Christian, yet say that the bible has errors in it, you are undermining the very source for your beliefs which is a house divided against itself which cannot stand. Jesus said; "He who is not with me is against me." One cannot be both

This very true if the foundation of your faith rests in the bible (someone else's testimony). what do you think was the foundation of Abrahams faith? What about Isaac or Jacob's faith. What do you suppose caused Joseph or Moses to believe in God? None of them had scripture so what was the source of their belief?

 

[Boanerges]

There are just my views and I understand that there are certainly many more studious and knowledgeable than I:

Jesus is the Living Word.
We have the written Word.
The written Word will avail nothing unless breathed upon by the Holy Spirit. Unless He gives revelation into it's content one can practice the whole Book cover to cover and never know the Father.

All that being said I have the utmost confidence that our heavenly Father can communicate His will through today's translations. Though they are human translations they were all indeed originally given through humans. I find with very few exceptions that the difference between translations (with the exclusion of paraphrased version) is a minor difference in phrasing and the meanings generally the same.
The "older translations" that most speak of (the King James Version for example) are not necessarily taken from the older manuscripts.
Personally (on only in my opinion) unless one sees grevious and provable error in a bible the Word of God should be read by faith trusting in God to speak to your heart His will and truth.

 

[Brother Mike]

Peter Ruckman clearly stated that the KJV is the Word of God.

Carico is correct in what she was trying to say. You can not say some of the bible is contradictory and have any foundation for something to believe in.

jiggyfly

I also think that anyone who states that there are no errors in the various contradicting translations of the scriptures is suffering from religious denial.

There is no question that most translations contain horrible errors. Satan's first recorded Lie in the Garden was that He told Eve that God did not say something God really did. It would stand to reason that He got His filthy hands on other translations. The question is, did God get one translation through that is 100 percent correct as He meant it?


Jiggyfly

This very true if the foundation of your faith rests in the bible (someone else's testimony). what do you think was the foundation of Abrahams faith? What about Isaac or Jacob's faith. What do you suppose caused Joseph or Moses to believe in God? None of them had scripture so what was the source of their belief?

Faith come by hearing and by hearing the Word of God. The men mentioned did hear from God, or from their fathers that passed the Word down to them. Nothing is said about it having to be Written in scripture, it just has to be from God.

Jesus Is Lord.

 

[Carico]

I think that your understanding of the "Word of God" is limited if you believe it concerns only scripture.

John 1:1&2
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.


I also think that anyone who states that there are no errors in the various contradicting traslations of the scriptures is suffering from religious denial.



This very true if the foundation of your faith rests in the bible (someone else's testimony). what do you think was the foundation of Abrahams faith? What about Isaac or Jacob's faith. What do you suppose caused Joseph or Moses to believe in God? None of them had scripture so what was the source of their belief?

I never said that God never spoke beyond scripture. But all of scripture is "God-breathed."

The OP applies to you. Since you don't think the bible is infallible, then your beliefs are also distorted. How do you think Abraham knew what to do? Because God spoke to Him. So Abraham absolutely relied on God's Word. And the words that God spoke to Abraham are also in the bible. So we know them as well.

But according to you, the faith of Moses and Abraham came from the human imaginations of Moses and Abraham instead of from God Himself. So no wonder you contradict scripture!

I got news for you; The word IS God as John 1:1-2 explains. Hebrews 4:12, "for the word of God is living and active...

 

[Carico]

There is no question that most translations contain horrible errors. Satan's first recorded Lie in the Garden was that He told Eve that God did not say something God really did. It would stand to reason that He got His filthy hands on other translations. The question is, did God get one translation through that is 100 percent correct as He meant it?

If what you're saying is true, then why didn't Satan get his "filthy hands" on scripture" as well? Who do you think ordained what is passed along in the different translations? Satan? Who do you think runs the universe?The human authors who wrote the KJV? Or how about the human authors who wrote the Greek and Hebrews bibles? Are those humans God? Or don't you know who God is?

Genesis is showing us what humans do all the time; they ADD to scripture because they have NO CLUE where to find the word of God. SO they don't know who God is, what He said and thus cannot follow a God they don't know. And that, my friend, is why so many people argue with scripture. They think that their human opinions have more authority than God's Word.

 

[jiggyfly]

I never said that God never spoke beyond scripture. But all of scripture is "God-breathed."

The OP applies to you. Since you don't think the bible is infallible, then your beliefs are also distorted. How do you think Abraham knew what to do? Because God spoke to Him. So Abraham absolutely relied on God's Word. And the words that God spoke to Abraham are also in the bible. So we know them as well.

But according to you, the faith of Moses and Abraham came from the human imaginations of Moses and Abraham instead of from God Himself. So no wonder you contradict scripture!

I got news for you; The word IS God as John 1:1-2 explains. Hebrews 4:12, "for the word of God is living and active...

I got some news for you too, you really have no idea of what I believe. I have seen many religious folk like yourself come and go here at TJ. You are intitled to your opinion but it is just that an opinion. Be careful how you word your posts because I have a low tolerance for prideful religious zealots.

 

[Carico]

I got some news for you too, you really have no idea of what I believe. I have seen many religious folk like yourself come and go here at TJ. You are intitled to your opinion but it is just that an opinion. Be careful how you word your posts because I have a low tolerance for prideful religious zealots.

You tell me what you believe or don't believe. That's how I know...unless what you're telling me about what you believe isn;t true. :shock:But all I can go by is what you tell me. And what you've told me is:

1) That you should look to fallible human beings for the truth as well as to God because man and God have equal authority. Otherwise you would never ask why we are to believe scripture alone.

2) That some scripture is God-breathed but not all of it

3) that you're confused on where to find God's word.

So it's not hard to separate the sheep from the goats. The goats will argue with scripture, the sheep will never argue with scripture because we know that God is not human and dictates what the authors of each translation write. :wink:

 

[jiggyfly]

You tell me what you believe or don't believe. That's how I know...unless what you're telling me about what you believe isn;t true. :shock:But all I can go by is what you tell me. And what you've told me is:

1) That you should look to fallible human beings for the truth as well as to God because man and God have equal authority. Otherwise you would never ask why we are to believe scripture alone.

2) That some scripture is God-breathed but not all of it

3) that you're confused on where to find God's word.

So it's not hard to separate the sheep from the goats. The goats will argue with scripture, the sheep will never argue with scripture because we know that God is not human and dictates what the authors of each translation write. :wink:

Ever hear of HolySpirit?

You seem to be very apt at putting words(the wrong words) into other people's mouths. Now i'm going to caution you with this just this one time. We have a quote tool here at TJ and I suggest you use it to express what others have said in previous posts and avoid paraphrasing and expressing your asumption of what was said, just use the darn quote button and avoid embarrasing yourself.

God's Word lives in me:wink:

 

[Carico]

Ever hear of HolySpirit?

You seem to be very apt at putting words(the wrong words) into other people's mouths. Now i'm going to caution you with this just this one time. We have a quote tool here at TJ and I suggest you use it to express what others have said in previous posts and avoid paraphrasing and expressing your asumption of what was said, just use the darn quote button and avoid embarrasing yourself.

God's Word lives in me:wink:

The indwelling Holy Spirit is the same spirit that inspired the authors of the bible. So born again Christians will NEVER disagree with the bible. :wink:Since you do disagree with MT. 23:10 that we have only ONE teacher and that is Christ, then you don't have the same Spirit that inspired the authors of the bible. So your beliefs aren't coming from the Holy Spirit.

God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are all ONE. Thus, one will never disagree with the other. Since God cannot cast out His own words, then God will never tell us to follow anyone But His words.

 

[jiggyfly]

Peter Ruckman clearly stated that the KJV is the Word of God

This is not a KJVO forum nor do we put up with this kind of nonsense. Not sure if this is what your propigating, if so, you will have to do it elsewhere.

 

[jiggyfly]

The indwelling Holy Spirit is the same spirit that inspired the authors of the bible. So born again Christians will NEVER disagree with the bible. :wink:Since you do disagree with MT. 23:10 that we have only ONE teacher and that is Christ, then you don't have the same Spirit that inspired the authors of the bible. So your beliefs aren't coming from the Holy Spirit.

God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are all ONE. Thus, one will never disagree with the other. Since God cannot cast out His own words, then God will never tell us to follow anyone But His words.

Again you assume way to much here. I never said that I disagree with scripture but I will say that I most assuredly disagree with your very limited understanding of the scripture's meaning.

I definitely understand where you are coming from because I used to be very religious myself ( thank God for deliverance). But you are not going to be allowed to continue here at TJ with your ignorant religious posting. You are allowed to post your opinions on the scriptures meanings but you need to take a serious look at the name calling in your posts.

 

[Carico]

Again you assume way to much here. I never said that I disagree with scripture but I will say that I most assuredly disagree with your very limited understanding of the scripture's meaning.

I definitely understand where you are coming from because I used to be very religious myself ( thank God for deliverance). But you are not going to be allowed to continue here at TJ with your ignorant religious posting. You are allowed to post your opinions on the scriptures meanings but you need to take a serious look at the name calling in your posts.

Sorry but my "interpretation" of; "Nor are you to be called 'teacher' for you have one teacher and that is Christ" is; Nor are you to be called 'teacher' for you have one Teacher, and that is Christ.

Notice my "interpretation" and God's words are one and the same. :wink:

So when one quotes the bible, and you disagree with it, you are disagreeing with God. it's that simple.:wink:

So you obviously don't know the difference between God's words and the words of men. No wonder you have no clue who to believe!

You're the one who is not only calling people names, but lying about what they say which is why you deleted my thread exposing your lies about my posts. But don't worry, God sees your lies. So you won't get away with them forever.

 

[jiggyfly]

Sorry but my "interpretation" of; "Nor are you to be called 'teacher' for you have one teacher and that is Christ" is; Nor are you to be called 'teacher' for you have one Teacher, and that is Christ.

Notice my "interpretation" and God's words are one and the same. :wink:

So when one quotes the bible, and you disagree with it, you are disagreeing with God. it's that simple.:wink:

So you obviously don't know the difference between God's words and the words of men. No wonder you have no clue who to believe!

You're the one who is not only calling people names, but lying about what they say which is why you deleted my thread exposing your lies about my posts. But don't worry, God sees your lies. So you won't get away with them forever.

Seems you are having difficulty discerning the difference between scripture and man's interpretation of scripture.

 

[Carico]

Seems you are having difficulty discerning the difference between scripture and man's interpretation of scripture.

Since it's the exact opposite, then I'll provide scripture for you: MT. 23:10, "Nor are you to be called 'teacher' for you have one teacher and that is Christ."

So since you claim to believe that verse, then your posts asking me to provide scripture justifying why we should believe only scripture alone have been a waste of time...unless you don't know that the words of Christ in the bible are from Christ. In that case, again, you're fresh out of luck in knowing where to find Christ's words and it will be futile to show them to you.

 

[Carico]

By the way, since you deleted my thread, then asking me to open up another thread discussing why we should believe God's word alone was another lie of yours. But all your deleting did was prove that you can provide zero scripture to justify why we shouldn't believe God alone. It also makes you out to be a liar since your request of me wasn't sincere.

But sorry, God does exist and nothing goes un-noticed by Him. So trying to cover up your lies and contradictions will only fall back on you. I have no desire to be around it any longer, so I'm wiping the dust off my feet and moving away from this forum.

 

[jiggyfly]

Since it's the exact opposite, then I'll provide scripture for you: MT. 23:10, "Nor are you to be called 'teacher' for you have one teacher and that is Christ."

So since you claim to believe that verse, then your posts asking me to provide scripture justifying why we should believe only scripture alone have been a waste of time...unless you don't know that the words of Christ in the bible are from Christ. In that case, again, you're fresh out of luck in knowing where to find Christ's words and it will be futile to show them to you.

Ofcourse this is just your opinion here once again. You obviously do not even remember my question to you accurately.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Carico
We are to follow God's word alone

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Do you happen to have any scripture that supports this?

I suppose we should disregard the loads of scripture that instruct us to follow the HolySpirit's leading then and just submit to your opinion.

 

[Brother Mike]

Peter Ruckman......said!!

Jiggyfly:

This is not a KJVO forum nor do we put up with this kind of nonsense. Not sure if this is what your propigating, if so, you will have to do it elsewhere.

How dare you speak against the great Baptist Peter Ruckman. He is legendary for defending the KJV as the only true Word of God.
He also bashes us Word of Faith folks, but what do I care. Some of his books were pretty good.

Its good to see your still the old Jiggfly that was part of the reason I got banned the first time. Saying what I said to Chad did not help much also. You need to lighten up. You have a cryptic way of wording things that are not easy for everyone to pick up what you actually did mean. You should stop that.


Carico:

Who do you think ordained what is passed along in the different translations? Satan? Who do you think runs the universe?The human authors who wrote the KJV? Or how about the human authors who wrote the Greek and Hebrews bibles? Are those humans God? Or don't you know who God is?

Ouch!!! Whats up with that sister??


I have to give Jiggyfly some props on this, though I think were not understanding each others point. Even Jesus did not go and heal who ever he wanted and do what he wanted to do. Most think Jesus could have done anything, but thats not what Jesus said.

Joh 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

Joh 5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.

Jesus was very dependent on the Holy Ghost. In fact Jesus did not move or do a thing without the direction of God. Jesus said God will show him greater works that we may marvel and latter he called Lazereth from the tomb.

I am bailing on this thread, somebody gave Jiggyfly Moderator Power!!!! So, I can't win.

Both of you be blessed.

Jesus Is Lord

 

[jiggyfly]

Its good to see your still the old Jiggfly that was part of the reason I got banned the first time. Saying what I said to Chad did not help much also. You need to lighten up. You have a cryptic way of wording things that are not easy for everyone to pick up what you actually did mean. You should stop that.

Brother Mike,are you playing the blame game? Truth is you were banned because of your behavior and not for any other reason.

Not sure what you mean by "cryptic", I hope you are not insinuating that that I word my posts purposefully to be misunderstood.

 

[Boanerges]

Jiggyfly:


How dare you speak against the great Baptist Peter Ruckman. He is legendary for defending the KJV as the only true Word of God.
He also bashes us Word of Faith folks, but what do I care. Some of his books were pretty good.

Peter Ruckman is a man with a theology, no better , no worse.