The Triune God

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It seems this subject comes up at least every 6 months or so.

The answer isn't always a simple yes or no to everyone.

We have modalists, who would.. "sometimes".
We have oneness unitarians who would say ... "never".
We have trinitarians who would say "always".

And even if the answer is yes.... it can be controversial.
He is one of many Gods. (One large cult/church here in the US says we can ALL become Gods)
We have "Jesus only" believers that don't believe the Father or the Holy Spirit are God.

It would seem to be an important subject, not everyone can be right.
Does it matter? To me at least, if you aren't worshiping the right God... you are worshiping a false god.

Why do we think Jesus is God? Why do we believe in a trinity? If you don't know the answers...
why do you believe what you believe? Just because some one else "told you so"?

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In one of the major prophecies about Jesus... He is called "God".. and He is also called "Father".
Does that mean Jesus is the Father? More about that later.

Isa 9:6; For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

Another old testament prophecy about Jesus says...

Isa 7:14; "Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel.

OK, so His name is Immanuel, what does that have to do with anything?

Matt 1:23; "BEHOLD, THE VIRGIN SHALL BE WITH CHILD AND SHALL BEAR A SON, AND THEY SHALL CALL HIS NAME IMMANUEL," which translated means, "GOD WITH US."

Jesus's name actually means... "God with us". It doesn't say "almost God" or "half-God" or even "Gold-like".
It says.. "God with us".

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Some of the more common passages to support Jesus as God are in John 1.

John 1:1; In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2; He was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3; All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

The "Word" was God, but also... He was "with" God? How can you be "with" yourself?
This Word/God created everything, and nothing was created without Him.

John 1:14; And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.
John 1:15; John *testified about Him and cried out, saying, "This was He of whom I said, 'He who comes after me has a higher rank than I, for He existed before me.'"

This Word/God became flesh and dwelt among men. It seems the last time God dwelt among men
from time to time was way back at the beginning of Genesis. John the apostle is talking about John the Baptist here. Now John the Baptist was a cousin to Jesus. ( Luke 1:26; )
John the Baptist was also about 6 months older than Jesus. ( Luke 1:24-27; )

Yet in John 1:15; he says Jesus "existed before me".

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Is Jesus the Son ever called God?

Heb 1:7; And of the angels He says, "WHO MAKES HIS ANGELS WINDS, AND HIS MINISTERS A FLAME OF FIRE."
Heb 1:8; But of the Son He says, "YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.
Heb 1:9; "YOU HAVE LOVED RIGHTEOUSNESS AND HATED LAWLESSNESS; THEREFORE GOD, YOUR GOD, HAS ANOINTED YOU WITH THE OIL OF GLADNESS ABOVE YOUR COMPANIONS."

Is Jesus ever called God out-right in the Bible?

Tit 2:13; looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Christ Jesus,

2 Pet 1:1; Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:

Both Peter and Paul called Jesus "God" (and Savior).

... to be continued ...

 

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Mark 10:18; And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone.

Does this statement from Jesus mean He wasn't good? Or does it mean He is God?

Gen 1:1; In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

God created the heavens and the earth. But yet...

John 1:3; All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

Jesus created the heavens and the earth.

Col 1:16; For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.

Jesus created everything. So Jesus must be God.

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So are there two/three or more Gods? Should we worship the Father and the Son?

Exod 20:3; "You shall have no other gods before Me.
Exod 20:4; "You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.
Exod 20:5; "You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me,

The Bible says we only have ONE God. ...and He is the only one we should worship.

John 8:58; Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am."

Now of courses Abraham was on the earth hundreds of years before Jesus was born as a human.
Even hundreds of years after we hear about Abraham, God tells Moses...

Exod 3:13; Then Moses said to God, "Behold, I am going to the sons of Israel, and I will say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you.' Now they may say to me, 'What is His name?' What shall I say to them?"
Exod 3:14; God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM"; and He said, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.'"

God said He is "I am". Jesus said He was "I am".

Jesus was in heaven before Adam and Eve fell in the garden.

Luke 10:18; And He said to them, "I was watching Satan fall from heaven like lightning.

In Rev 21:6; God says He is the Alpha and the Omega, (the first and the last).
But In Rev 1:8; and Rev 22:13; Jesus says He is the Alpha and the Omega.

When God finally got around the creating man, He said...

Gen 1:26; Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."

Who was the "our" in this verse?

... to be continued ...

 

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Can God die?

No but men can. Jesus was fully God, but also fully man at the same time.

The spiritual part of men never dies, our souls never really die. We just spend eternity in different places.
However our fleshly/human bodies do die. Even Jesus's did... "for a little while".

When Jesus was resurrected, He was resurrected in the flesh.

Luke 24:39; "See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have."

Even Jesus's fleshly body didn't die. By the way... Jesus isn't dead!!

For the "Jesus only" people. I will include these verses.
Is the Father ever called God? Let us start with the new testament.

John 6:27; Do not work for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you, for on Him the Father God, has set His seal.”

John 8:41; You are doing the deeds of your father.” They said to Him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father: God.”
John 8:42; Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and have come from God, for I have not even come on My own initiative, but He sent Me

John 8:54; Jesus answered, “If I glorify Myself, My glory is nothing; it is My Father who glorifies Me, of whom you say, ‘He is our God’;

Does Jesus ever out-right say the Father is God?

John 20:17; Jesus *said to her, “Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.

My Father and your Father is... My God and your God.

Can God have a God? Well God is God. As explained earlier Jesus was fully man and fully God. The man part of Him had a God.

Did Paul ever out-right say the Father was God?

Rom 1:7; to all who are beloved of God in Rome, called as saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Cor 1:3; Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Cor 8:6; yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.

Gal 1:1; Paul, an apostle (not sent from men nor through the agency of man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised Him from the dead),

Gal 1:3; Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ,

Eph 1:2; Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Eph 6:23; Peace be to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Php 1:2 ;Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

A lot of people get hung up on the fact, Jesus called the Father God. And so He is. But doesn't mean Jesus isn't.
Three people doesn't equal three Gods. These three personalities make up one God.

A tricycle has 3 wheels, nut it's still just 1 tricycle.
A family may have a father, mother and child.. but it's still just one family.
A government may have 3 branches, judicial, executive and legislative... but it's still one government.
An egg may have a shell, yolk, and eggwhite, but it's still one egg.
God is Jesus, the Father and the Holy Spirit. = They are One God. Not three.

 

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Is the Holy Spirit ever called a unique personality?

John 7:39 But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.
John 14:17 that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.
John 14:26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.
John 15:26 "When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me,
Acts 5:32 "And we are witnesses of these things; and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey Him."

The Holy Spirit is a "who" now a "what".

1Cor 6:19; Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own?
Eph_4:30; Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

In the last verse here, the Holy Spirit has feelings and can be Grieved.

 

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John 5:18; For this reason therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.

Col 2:9; For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,

Php 2:5; Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus,
Php 2:6; who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be held onto,
Php 2:7; but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.

Matt 1:23; "BEHOLD, THE VIRGIN SHALL BE WITH CHILD AND SHALL BEAR A SON, AND THEY SHALL CALL HIS NAME IMMANUEL," which translated means, "GOD WITH US."

Isa 9:6; For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

John 14:9; Jesus *said to him, "Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?

 

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The Bible says it is God who forgives sin.

Josh 24:19; Then Joshua said to the people, "You will not be able to serve the LORD, for He is a holy God. He is a jealous God; He will not forgive your transgression or your sins.
Psa 79:9; Help us, O God of our salvation, for the glory of Your name; And deliver us and forgive our sins for Your name's sake.

...and yet Jesus forgives sin. Ergo, Jesus is God.

Matt 9:6 "But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins"—then He *said to the paralytic, "Get up, pick up your bed and go home."
Mark 2:7 "Why does this man speak that way? He is blaspheming; who can forgive sins but God alone?"
Mark 2:10 "But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins"—He *said to the paralytic,
Luke 5:21 The scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, "Who is this man who speaks blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?"
Luke 5:24 "But, so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins,"—He said to the paralytic—"I say to you, get up, and pick up your stretcher and go home."

No mere man can redeem you.

Psa 49:7; No man can by any means redeem his brother Or give to God a ransom for him—

But God can.

Psa 49:15; But God will redeem my soul from the power of Sheol, For He will receive me. Selah.

Jesus did.

Gal 3:13; Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us—for it is written, "CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO HANGS ON A TREE"—

 

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Tit 2:13; looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Christ Jesus,

Only in some translations. As the KJV and NKJV use the wording "God and OUR Savior Jesus Christ". Signifying 2. Same with some other verses quoted.

I would ask two questions of you.

How do you see Jesus as Brother to us, Heb 2:11 But yet the same brothers are sons of God including Jesus?

How is Jesus become the High Priest unto the Father, and we are made kings and priests unto the Father by Him. Then How is He his own High Priest, seeing that no man takes that
honor by himself but must be appointed by God to be so? Heb 5:4

 

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How do you see Jesus as Brother to us, Heb 2:11 But yet the same brothers are sons of God including Jesus?

Absolutely not.
We can be sons of God (lowercase s) but only Jesus is the Son of God (uppercase S)

Matt 5:9; "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.
Luke 20:36; for they cannot even die anymore, because they are like angels, and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.
Gal 3:26; For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

God the Father is our Father, but we not begotten like Jesus. We are not God like Jesus.

But since you are using...

Heb 2:11; For both He who sanctifies and those who are sanctified are all from one Father; for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren,

you should also use...

Heb 1:5; For to which of the angels did He ever say, "YOU ARE MY SON, TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU"? And again, "I WILL BE A FATHER TO HIM AND HE SHALL BE A SON TO ME"?
Heb 1:6; And when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says, "AND LET ALL THE ANGELS OF GOD WORSHIP HIM."
Heb 1:7; And of the angels He says, "WHO MAKES HIS ANGELS WINDS, AND HIS MINISTERS A FLAME OF FIRE."
Heb 1:8; But of the Son He says, "YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.
Heb 1:9; "YOU HAVE LOVED RIGHTEOUSNESS AND HATED LAWLESSNESS; THEREFORE GOD, YOUR GOD, HAS ANOINTED YOU WITH THE OIL OF GLADNESS ABOVE YOUR COMPANIONS."
Heb 1:10; And, "YOU, LORD, IN THE BEGINNING LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH, AND THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS;
Heb 1:11; THEY WILL PERISH, BUT YOU REMAIN; AND THEY ALL WILL BECOME OLD LIKE A GARMENT,
Heb 1:12; AND LIKE A MANTLE YOU WILL ROLL THEM UP; LIKE A GARMENT THEY WILL ALSO BE CHANGED. BUT YOU ARE THE SAME, AND YOUR YEARS WILL NOT COME TO AN END."
Heb 1:13; But to which of the angels has He ever said, "SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND, UNTIL I MAKE YOUR ENEMIES A FOOTSTOOL FOR YOUR FEET"?

Only in some translations. As the KJV and NKJV us the term God and OUR Savior Jesus Christ. Same with some other verses quoted

The KJV is not one of the more accurate translations.

Titus 2:13
(AMPC) Awaiting and looking for the [fulfillment, the realization of our] blessed hope, even the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Christ Jesus (the Messiah, the Anointed One),
(ASV) looking for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
(BBE) Looking for the glad hope, the revelation of the glory of our great God and Saviour Jesus Christ;
(CEV) We are filled with hope, as we wait for the glorious return of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ.
(CSB) while we wait for the blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ.
(ESV) waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,
(GNB) as we wait for the blessed Day we hope for, when the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ will appear.
(Greek NT) προσδεχόμενοι τὴν μακαρίαν ἐλπίδα καὶ ἐπιφάνειαν τῆς δόξης τοῦ μεγάλου Θεοῦ καὶ σωτῆρος ἡμῶν ᾿Ιησοῦ Χριστοῦ,
(Greek NT WH+) προσδεχομενοιG4327 V-PNP-NPM τηνG3588 T-ASF μακαριανG3107 A-ASF ελπιδαG1680 N-ASF καιG2532 CONJ επιφανειανG2015 N-ASF τηςG3588 T-GSF δοξηςG1391 N-GSF τουG3588 T-GSM μεγαλουG3173 A-GSM θεουG2316 N-GSM καιG2532 CONJ σωτηροςG4990 N-GSM ημωνG1473 P-1GP | χριστουG5547 N-GSM ιησουG2424 N-GSM | ιησουG2424 N-GSM χριστουG5547 N-GSM |
(GW) At the same time we can expect what we hope for-the appearance of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ.
(HCSB) while we wait for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ.
(ISV) as we wait for the blessed hope and glorious appearance of our great God and Savior, Jesus the Messiah.
(KJV) Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
(KJV+) Looking forG4327 that blessedG3107 hope,G1680 andG2532 theG3588 gloriousG1391 appearingG2015 of theG3588 greatG3173 GodG2316 andG2532 ourG2257 SaviourG4990 JesusG2424 Christ;G5547
(LSV) waiting for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,
(MKJV) looking for the blessed hope, and the appearance of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,
(MSG) and is whetting our appetites for the glorious day when our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, appears.
(NAS77) looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus;
(NAS95) looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,
(NET) as we wait for the happy fulfillment of our hope in the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ.
(NIrV) That's how we should live as we wait for the blessed hope God has given us. We are waiting for Jesus Christ to appear in all his glory. He is our great God and Savior.
(NIV) while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,
(NKJV) looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,
(NLT) while we look forward with hope to that wonderful day when the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, will be revealed.
(RV) looking for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of our great God and Saviour Jesus Christ;
(TPT) For we continue to look forward to the joyful fulfillment of our hope in the dawning splendor of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus, the Anointed One.

 

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The KJV is not one of the more accurate translations.

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If you do a simply Google search on "Most accurate Bible translation". None of the links on the entire first page put King James close to the top.

 

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God the Father is our Father, but we not begotten like Jesus. We are not God like Jesus.

Ok avoid the question over a lower or upper case S. Was Jesus a man? Did He possess a spirit as a man from the Father? Did He receive a second birth from the Holy Ghost at
His baptism at the river Jordan?

 

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If you do a simply Google search on "Most accurate Bible translation". None of the links on the entire first page put King James close to the top.

I'm sure that you cannot be serious as I do not need to go to the internet for opinions and then base mine on theirs.

 

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Ok avoid the question over a lower or upper case S. Was Jesus a man? Did He possess a spirit as a man from the Father? Did He receive a second birth from the Holy Ghost at
His baptism at the river Jordan?

Why did He need to receive that second spiritual birth from the Father?

 

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Why did He need to receive that second spiritual birth from the Father?

Jesus called Himself the son of man, many more times than He called Himself the Son of God.
Jesus became flesh and dwelt among us. An entire major doctrine of Christianity says.
A man (Adam) originally had dominion over the Earth. But we gave it to Satan.
A man gave it away, a man had to take it back. God couldn't take it back for us.

Rom 5:13; for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Rom 5:14; Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.
Rom 5:15; But the free gift is not like the transgression. For if by the transgression of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many.
Rom 5:16; The gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned; for on the one hand the judgment arose from one transgression resulting in condemnation, but on the other hand the free gift arose from many transgressions resulting in justification.
Rom 5:17; For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.
Rom 5:18; So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men.
Rom 5:19; For as through the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.

Jesus was that man. He was fully God, but He was fully man. Born of a woman. He existed long before He was born as a human. You could say He was "reborn" into a sinful nature.
He never sinned, but He could have. He had to be "reborn" to the Spiritual nature. He didn't stop being God during this time. But He came to be our example.

When He defeated Satan in the wilderness, He didn't defeat him as God, He defeated him as a human. Satan tried to get Him to do things that only God could do.
(Jump off a high steeple, turn stones into bread) but Jesus defeated him with scriptire.
Jesus was baptized. Jesus was was filled with the Holy Spirit. He was our example in what to do and how to live.

John 13:15; "For I gave you an example that you also should do as I did to you.
1Pet 2:21; For you have been called for this purpose, since Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example for you to follow in His steps,

 

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Jesus called Himself the son of man, many more times than He called Himself the Son of God.
Jesus became flesh and dwelt among us. An entire major doctrine of Christianity says.
A man (Adam) originally had dominion over the Earth. But we gave it to Satan.
A man gave it away, a man had to take it back. God couldn't take it back for us.

So your admitting that Jesus could not be God and take back what Adam had given away, as you say God couldn't take it back for us.

 

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So your admitting that Jesus could not be God and take back what Adam had given away, as you say God couldn't take it back for us.

He didn't stop being God during this time.

There is an entire thread on this.

Jesus Christ - 'the man"

Let me start off by saying Jesus is God. Part of the trinity. No argument about that here. But I want to focus on the human part of Jesus for a moment. Jesus favorite name for Himself was "the Son of Man". This phrase is used over 100 times in the New Testament. Most of those verses are...

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You contradict yourself.

 

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The Bible concludes that "The Trinity" exists, therefore it does..
It is that simple!

 

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I do not deny there are 3 persons in the Spiritual. Consisting of The only True God our Father, and Jesus Christ, a man, who was declared to be a god and now is, and the Spirit of God
that indwells Jesus as He also indwells us.

The problem arises around the idea of equality of the 3.

The Spirit of the Father was in Jesus as of Jordan, the words that Jesus spoke were the Fathers, not His own Spirit, not His own words. If equal, God would not need Jesus to
speak for Him.

Both Jesus and the Holy Spirit are doing the will of the Father as it is the Father who works all things after the counsel of His own will. Not a consensus of 3 wills.

Jesus came to do the will of the Father. He was foreordained for this purpose prior to the world being formed, But He was not begotten of God until the overshadowing of
Mary by the Holy Ghost.

Jesus when praying to the Father always saw His Father as a greater entity than Himself. And admitted He was unable to do anything of Himself. As my Father
hath taught me.....John 8:28

Jesus was born A MAN, under the law. God gave the law for men and as such could never be under the law.

As BAC pointed out God could not take back what the first man Adam had given away, it had to be a man. That said, Jesus could not be fully God and fully man at the same time.

He was always in contact with God but that does not make Him God while He was a man.

He grew in wisdom, stature, and in favor with God and men. God does not grow in favor with Himself. Nor does God pray to Himself, nor is God His own High Priest.

Jesus was GIVEN life to have within Himself from the Father, He was GIVEN all power in heaven and earth, Jesus BECAME a life giving Spirit.

Seems easy to me that if one is GIVEN something then one did not have that prior to the GIVING. One does not BECOME what one already is, but yet Jesus BECAME a life giving Spirit.

Since all this GIVING and BECOMING came after His death and resurrection, which God did, He could not be declared a God until this point.

God cannot die, Jesus did.

Jesus was BEGOTTEN of the Father, not Himself nor a different aspect of Himself.

Jesus is our brother, God is our Father and our God.

Jesus is the High Priest unto God, not Himself.

Jesus is the intercessor for us unto the Father, not Himself.

Jesus was the begotten Son of God, and Mary, whom God sacrificed for our sin to bring us back to our Father. God did not crucify Himself nor a part of Himself. He sacrificed a man who was
sinless as a perfect sacrifice for sin, a man who never violated the law written for men not God.

I realize that a Trinity doctrine has embedded itself within Christianity, but it doesn't hold up under scriptural scrutiny. The Bible has to be taken as a whole and rightly divided in order
to understand. If we only use the verses that support our position we fail to see the whole and are left with incomplete understanding.

 

[Born Again 2004]

I do not deny there are 3 persons in the Spiritual. Consisting of The only True God our Father, and Jesus Christ, a man, who was declared to be a god and now is, and the Spirit of God
that indwells Jesus as He also indwells us.

The problem arises around the idea of equality of the 3.

The Spirit of the Father was in Jesus as of Jordan, the words that Jesus spoke were the Fathers, not His own Spirit, not His own words. If equal, God would not need Jesus to
speak for Him.

Both Jesus and the Holy Spirit are doing the will of the Father as it is the Father who works all things after the counsel of His own will. Not a consensus of 3 wills.

Jesus came to do the will of the Father. He was foreordained for this purpose prior to the world being formed, But He was not begotten of God until the overshadowing of
Mary by the Holy Ghost.

Jesus when praying to the Father always saw His Father as a greater entity than Himself. And admitted He was unable to do anything of Himself. As my Father
hath taught me.....John 8:28

Jesus was born A MAN, under the law. God gave the law for men and as such could never be under the law.

As BAC pointed out God could not take back what the first man Adam had given away, it had to be a man. That said, Jesus could not be fully God and fully man at the same time.

He was always in contact with God but that does not make Him God while He was a man.

He grew in wisdom, stature, and in favor with God and men. God does not grow in favor with Himself. Nor does God pray to Himself, nor is God His own High Priest.

Jesus was GIVEN life to have within Himself from the Father, He was GIVEN all power in heaven and earth, Jesus BECAME a life giving Spirit.

Seems easy to me that if one is GIVEN something then one did not have that prior to the GIVING. One does not BECOME what one already is, but yet Jesus BECAME a life giving Spirit.

Since all this GIVING and BECOMING came after His death and resurrection, which God did, He could not be declared a God until this point.

God cannot die, Jesus did.

Jesus was BEGOTTEN of the Father, not Himself nor a different aspect of Himself.

Jesus is our brother, God is our Father and our God.

Jesus is the High Priest unto God, not Himself.

Jesus is the intercessor for us unto the Father, not Himself.

Jesus was the begotten Son of God, and Mary, whom God sacrificed for our sin to bring us back to our Father. God did not crucify Himself nor a part of Himself. He sacrificed a man who was
sinless as a perfect sacrifice for sin, a man who never violated the law written for men not God.

I realize that a Trinity doctrine has embedded itself within Christianity, but it doesn't hold up under scriptural scrutiny. The Bible has to be taken as a whole and rightly divided in order
to understand. If we only use the verses that support our position we fail to see the whole and are left with incomplete understanding.

The Bible is the inerrant word of God...
GOD is perfect and His word is perfect :
Matthew 28:19
2 Corinthians 13:14

1 Corinthians 13: 4-5
Ephesians 4: 4-6
Now, may the grace of Jesus Christ, and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you!
Amen

 

[Waggles]

Since all this GIVING and BECOMING came after His death and resurrection, which God did, He could not be declared a God until this point.

I find it extremely problematic the doctrine that Jesus became God after his ascension to the Heavens (and sat down on the right hand of power).
The doctrine of Jesus a man becomes God or a god is the blasphemy of the Mormons and others.
It is unscriptural for both the OT and the NT teach of GOD as our Redeemer.
And the apostles most certainly preach that Jesus is God.