The thing about Israel

[B-A-C]

I don't think there is any way that anyone can deny most of the old Testament is about Israel.
Actually I believe it's more about God's relationship with Israel and His love for His people.

Now before anyone starts thinking I trying to start a thread about how Jews are separate from Christains
let me assure you I am not, in fact quite the opposite. I believe that we can become spiritual Jews
through a circumcision of the heart. ( Rom 2:28-29; )

I don't believe that Jews are any different from Christians in God's eyes, they don't get saved any
differently, they aren't better or different in any way. ... except for the fact that many of them live in Israel.

God promised this land to Abraham (well actually his descendants) ( Gen 26:3; Gen 28:4; etc... )
And ever since then, it seems everyone has been trying to take it away from them.

They have been conquered by Assyrians, Egyptians, Babylonians, Philistines, and a few others.
Often this was their own doing, God punished them and put them in subjection to their enemies when they
turned away from Him.

And yet despite this... He never held His anger against them forever. He restored them, He built
them up again into a strong nation at times, protected them in battle, supplied food needs, and
protected them from being extinguished all through the Bible.

Occassionally there were kings like Mannasseh and Ahaziah, bit other times there were Godly kings
like Josiah and David. It seems God always treated Israel according to how they treated Him.

God always loves and protects His people... there are a lot of lessons in this for us even today.
But even that isn't the reason for this post.

Ever since God promised Abraham (his descendants) this land. Everyone has been trying to keep them
out of it. When Moses finally led Israel to the promised land it was already inhabited by the
Canaanites, and several other races of people. Of course God helped them defeat all these people
(some were even giants) and they got their nation back.

There was no nation of Israel per se for nearly 500 years. It's hard to say exactly when Israel was
conquered, it wasn't so much a single war, as just other peoples and other cultures moving in over
a period of time. Sometime between the late 1300's and mid 1400's Israel just no longer existed.
(There is a lesson in this also)

But in 1947/1948 Israel became a nation again. The United States was a big part of this and
gave them a lot of military and financial assistance at the time.

Since then, things are much the same. The Iranians, Palestinians, Arabs and others are trying to
take back the land of Israel from the Jews. If we look at the size of the Arab/Palestinian countries
they are roughly twice the size of the US today. Israel is smaller than the state of New Jersey.
Really it's even smaller than that if you consider the division of the West Bank and the Gaza strip.

I personally believe Satan has been behind much of this all along, and he is still trying to do this today.
I believe the US nuclear pact with Iran is a big step in the wrong direction for the US. (and Israel)

I have been doing another thread of the tribulation... I am getting close to the point where Israel
will be severely persecuted by the beast. I can't help but think those days are getting closer.

I believe God's promise to the Jews in Gen 12:3; is still in effect.

 

[Dovegiven]

I don't think there is any way that anyone can deny most of the old Testament is about Israel.
Actually I believe it's more about God's relationship with Israel and His love for His people.

I like to consider ancient Israel as the commanded model God chose for all mankind, concerning a personal relationship with him, even though much of that was commanded. It was like God having to rear up a child not born of his flesh, an adopted son or daughter.
They were supposed to be a light to the rest of the world, but considerably failed in that role. It's a lesson for the modern Church, not to make a series of cliches, tiny "clubs" built around a very narrow set of standards, like all members are pharmacists who do in fact love the Lord, but avoid fellowship with Christians who work in a shoe factory.

Now before anyone starts thinking I trying to start a thread about how Jews are separate from Christians
let me assure you I am not, in fact quite the opposite. I believe that we can become spiritual Jews
through a circumcision of the heart. ( Rom 2:28-29; )

Israel is Israel. If we say there is a "spiritual" Israel, then we are attempting to establish yet another "cliche" that most that most of us despise once made aware they are near us. No Christian is instructed in the NT to seek to go backwards to some earlier state of spirituality. such as through Judaism. It would be like moving to a city where your 5th grade child is judged having an inferior education from the last city, having to repeat grades K-4. There is only one "spiritual" state, and that is the real-time presence of God through the Spirit.

I don't believe that Jews are any different from Christians in God's eyes, they don't get saved any
differently, they aren't better or different in any way. ... except for the fact that many of them live in Israel.

Well, I believe those specific tribes of Israel, descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob do in fact have their own promises and special destiny more than the descendants of Abraham through Hagar, nor all "other" descendants of Noah's sons. If we go by occupation of the promised lands, then inheritance is based on possession, not promise.

God promised this land to Abraham (well actually his descendants) ( Gen 26:3; Gen 28:4; etc... )
And ever since then, it seems everyone has been trying to take it away from them.

In fact the promise was to Abraham, his descendants through Sarah being the heirs both in physical possession and spiritual. If we leave off one element of that lineage, then the Arabs would have equal inheritance. They don't.

Occasionally there were kings like Mannasseh and Ahaziah, bit other times there were Godly kings
like Josiah and David. It seems God always treated Israel according to how they treated Him.

If God always treated people according to how they treat God, there shouldn't be much hope for mankind.

God always loves and protects His people... there are a lot of lessons in this for us even today.
But even that isn't the reason for this post.

Ever since God promised Abraham (his descendants) this land. Everyone has been trying to keep them
out of it. When Moses finally led Israel to the promised land it was already inhabited by the
Canaanites, and several other races of people. Of course God helped them defeat all these people
(some were even giants) and they got their nation back.

Some of those residents were not defeated, not removed, but tolerated to remain. That was part of their eventual downfall. That;s a lesson for us, not to tolerate former sins such that we let former bad influences become like roommates in college.

There was no nation of Israel per se for nearly 500 years. It's hard to say exactly when Israel was
conquered, it wasn't so much a single war, as just other peoples and other cultures moving in over
a period of time. Sometime between the late 1300's and mid 1400's Israel just no longer existed.
(There is a lesson in this also)

In a sense Israel was never "conquered", but rather fell under an extreme discipline of God several times. Their discipline has cost many lives and great fortunes outside of Israel for the sake of Israel. So it was that Israel never ceased to exist since Israel was foremost in God's plan. If Israel actually ceased to exist, Israel would have to be totally reborn from before Abraham. Instead, Israel rose up from a valley of dry bones to live again, blessed by God's promise to Abraham.

But in 1947/1948 Israel became a nation again. The United States was a big part of this and
gave them a lot of military and financial assistance at the time.

Since then, things are much the same. The Iranians, Palestinians, Arabs and others are trying to
take back the land of Israel from the Jews. If we look at the size of the Arab/Palestinian countries
they are roughly twice the size of the US today. Israel is smaller than the state of New Jersey.
Really it's even smaller than that if you consider the division of the West Bank and the Gaza strip.

Even though the Arab side of the family of Abraham has a lot more acreage, they are restricted by availability of water, making them about equal physically to Israel.

I personally believe Satan has been behind much of this all along, and he is still trying to do this today.
I believe the US nuclear pact with Iran is a big step in the wrong direction for the US. (and Israel)

No doubt. Any favor to them is a disgrace to Israel. and to God. Satan is working through Arabs and all who favor them, not Israel. All nations joining them are being made Goat nations.

I have been doing another thread of the tribulation... I am getting close to the point where Israel
will be severely persecuted by the beast. I can't help but think those days are getting closer.
ile the goat nations continue in their ignorance and rebellion.

I believe God's promise to the Jews in Gen 12:3; is still in effect.

Promises from God are never voided by God. He condemned the practice of false promises, false measures, lying, making vows not kept. Men can simply not make a claim on his promises, then suffer. Israel is prophesied to stake their claim in the end, while the goat nations continue on in their ignorance and rebellion.

 

[Travis]

Modern Israel has a few things in common with ancient Israel.

1. Both exist in the Middle Eastern section of the geographical world.
2. Both call(ed) themselves Israel.
3. Both were/are comprised of female and male human beings.

Beyond that, there is no real connection. Modern Israel has nothing to do with the Israel of the scriptures.

Telling American Christians that it does is a good way to raise support and money though.

Blessings,

Travis

 

[Dovegiven]

Modern Israel has a few things in common with ancient Israel.

1. Both exist in the Middle Eastern section of the geographical world.
2. Both call(ed) themselves Israel.
3. Both were/are comprised of female and male human beings.

Beyond that, there is no real connection. Modern Israel has nothing to do with the Israel of the scriptures.

Telling American Christians that it does is a good way to raise support and money though.

Blessings,

Travis

Where else does any nation have the same landmarks of ancient Israel? It was that land promised to the offspring of Abraham and Jacob, none other. Would you leave that inheritance to "Palestinians", the offspring of Canaanites? The Romans renamed "Canaanites" to "Palestinians". Who are you for? The Lord, or the sons of Ishmael? if Ishmael, then where did God re-award the promised lands to them? The Koran? Jesus commanded to pray for the peace of Jerusalem, the physical city he wept for, not Mecca. So what's your biblical basis that God ignores his promises?

 

[Travis]

I like when people use circular logic, in that if you accept its bounds, you cannot win an argument against it.

Premise: God promised to restore physical Israel as a nation with borders, on earth, before his second coming, with the physical descendants of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.

Then: we see a nation calling itself Israel appear in the Middle East where Israel of old was geographically located.

Conclusion: This nation must be Gods chosen nation, the nation of Israel we see mentioned in the scriptures.

I mean John Hagee and all these other bible teachers say it's so, it must be so.


Peace in Jerusalem. If the modern nation called Israel hadn't come into being in 1948, and things had remained as is, there would be much more peace in the physical city of Jerusalem. But, that's not even the issue really.

There will be peace in Jerusalem when Christ returns in glory to slay the adversaries. Until then, not so much. I pray that Christ would return soon, and when he does, there will indeed be peace in Jerusalem.

Many Muslims are closer to the kingdom of God than those who are called Christians:

15 "'I know your works: you are neither cold nor hot. Would that you were either cold or hot!
16 So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth. - Revelation 3:15-16

 

[Dovegiven]

The promises to Abraham and his seed was concerning the land shown to him, and the spiritual inheritance, all had through faith. Those promises were solidly reaffirmed to Jacob and his sons. See Jeremiah 30 onward. Ezek 20 reaffirms the promise. The full promised land extends from Egypt to the Euphrates River, that is, taking in Lebanon, Syria, half of Iraq, and Jordan, which has never been fulfilled yet. God has promised it will happen, and the first phase beginning in 1948 is likely still happening now with the gathering of Israel from around the globe. it will be interrupted in the Tribulation, but resume with fury when Jesus returns.

I've met many fine upstanding Jews, listened to many more speak to Christians, know there's a huge part of them that are very moral, God-fearing people. There is no doubt in my mind and spirit many of those who are and are becoming major leaders know Jesus is Messiah. When the Lord calls on them to announce that, they will, not at war with him. For now they are in gathering, their salvation yet to come in force just before the millennial reign of Jesus becomes world news.

Muslims are not heirs of God. I have no doubt some will be part of a revival, but they look to another god. Some likely will embrace Jesus Christ, as already happens in a measure. There are and have been some bad actors among Israelis, just like Christianity has had many black eyes from really bad folks calling themselves saints. So far I've not met a Muslim from the middle east showing evidence of having the kingdom of God in them. I've met a lot of college kids that were raised Christians that are somewhat "trying out" Islam, but most really don't know enough about it to be genuine Muslims.

 

[Travis]

If I were to bet, I would put money on the fact that one of the people groups most near and dear to the Lord on the face of the Earth are the "Palestinians," so called, that live within the boarders of the modern day nation state called Israel.

Israeli government policy has led to some of the most inhumane treatment of persons belonging to this group.

Israel: Security Forces Abuse Palestinian Children | Human Rights Watch
Israeli soldiers pose for photos while abusing Palestinian child | The Electronic Intifada
Former Israeli soldiers disclose routine mistreatment of Palestinian children | World news | The Guardian

Few people groups have been as demonized by the media as these, to justify some of the most atrocious things.

17 For the LORD your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God, who is not partial and takes no bribe.
18 He executes justice for the fatherless and the widow, and loves the sojourner, giving him food and clothing.
19 Love the sojourner, therefore, for you were sojourners in the land of Egypt. - Deuteronomy 10:17-19​

God loves those from all nations tribes and tongues. Demonizing a whole people group, declaring them unworthy of the call of salvation, is not in step with the gospel. Flesh and blood profits nothing, all who have faith in Christ Jesus will be saved, regardless of their human blood line.

 

[Dovegiven]

If I were to bet, I would put money on the fact that one of the people groups most near and dear to the Lord on the face of the Earth are the "Palestinians," so called, that live within the boarders of the modern day nation state called Israel.

Israeli government policy has led to some of the most inhumane treatment of persons belonging to this group.

Israel: Security Forces Abuse Palestinian Children | Human Rights Watch
Israeli soldiers pose for photos while abusing Palestinian child | The Electronic Intifada
Former Israeli soldiers disclose routine mistreatment of Palestinian children | World news | The Guardian

Few people groups have been as demonized by the media as these, to justify some of the most atrocious things.

17 For the LORD your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God, who is not partial and takes no bribe.
18 He executes justice for the fatherless and the widow, and loves the sojourner, giving him food and clothing.
19 Love the sojourner, therefore, for you were sojourners in the land of Egypt. - Deuteronomy 10:17-19​

God loves those from all nations tribes and tongues. Demonizing a whole people group, declaring them unworthy of the call of salvation, is not in step with the gospel. Flesh and blood profits nothing, all who have faith in Christ Jesus will be saved, regardless of their human blood line.

Palestinians and

If I were to bet, I would put money on the fact that one of the people groups most near and dear to the Lord on the face of the Earth are the "Palestinians," so called, that live within the boarders of the modern day nation state called Israel.

Israeli government policy has led to some of the most inhumane treatment of persons belonging to this group.

Israel: Security Forces Abuse Palestinian Children | Human Rights Watch
Israeli soldiers pose for photos while abusing Palestinian child | The Electronic Intifada
Former Israeli soldiers disclose routine mistreatment of Palestinian children | World news | The Guardian

Few people groups have been as demonized by the media as these, to justify some of the most atrocious things.

17 For the LORD your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God, who is not partial and takes no bribe.
18 He executes justice for the fatherless and the widow, and loves the sojourner, giving him food and clothing.
19 Love the sojourner, therefore, for you were sojourners in the land of Egypt. - Deuteronomy 10:17-19​

God loves those from all nations tribes and tongues. Demonizing a whole people group, declaring them unworthy of the call of salvation, is not in step with the gospel. Flesh and blood profits nothing, all who have faith in Christ Jesus will be saved, regardless of their human blood line.

 

[Dovegiven]

If I were to bet, I would put money on the fact that one of the people groups most near and dear to the Lord on the face of the Earth are the "Palestinians," so called, that live within the boarders of the modern day nation state called Israel.

Israeli government policy has led to some of the most inhumane treatment of persons belonging to this group.

Israel: Security Forces Abuse Palestinian Children | Human Rights Watch
Israeli soldiers pose for photos while abusing Palestinian child | The Electronic Intifada
Former Israeli soldiers disclose routine mistreatment of Palestinian children | World news | The Guardian

Few people groups have been as demonized by the media as these, to justify some of the most atrocious things.

17 For the LORD your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God, who is not partial and takes no bribe.
18 He executes justice for the fatherless and the widow, and loves the sojourner, giving him food and clothing.
19 Love the sojourner, therefore, for you were sojourners in the land of Egypt. - Deuteronomy 10:17-19​

God loves those from all nations tribes and tongues. Demonizing a whole people group, declaring them unworthy of the call of salvation, is not in step with the gospel. Flesh and blood profits nothing, all who have faith in Christ Jesus will be saved, regardless of their human blood line.

I checked those links out. They are biased to favor Hamas. Probably all "human rights" groups favor eradication of Israel just because they think Palestinians deserve the land back. I suppose you didn't know most Palestinians are currently in favor of resuming a Hamas barrage of rocket attacks on civilian Israeli targets, not worried about affecting children. Israel has not engaged in such cowardly acts, but of course are getting better at destroying launch sites. The frustrating problem Israel faces is Hamas rounding up women and children to ring around those sites as human shields, preventing retaliation. The same womem and children are gaining more expertise in harassing Israelis, boys favoring potentially fatal sling-shotting of Israeli citizens, and throwing Molotov cocktails at Israeli residences and groups of people. It's the same mantality of the previous series of suicide bombings and shelling of Jerusalem.

Those children are young, but nonetheless enemy combatants. Considering that the Israeli active reserve soldiers have grown up being victims of violence from those tactics, they are showing an amazing restraint and civility. The younger of them sometimes lose control.

The media is focusing on as many individual events of apparent abuse as they can find, usually leaving out self defense causes, demonizing Israel in general like the media is involved in promotion of demonizing of all US police forces because of one cop incident. By airing every protest demanding the blood of our peach officers they are guilty of spreading the threats, multiplying the hatred against any cop. This is like condemnation of all Christians because one self proclaimed Christian becomes a serial killer. Taking part in such bias is insanity.

 

[Travis]

I checked those links out. They are biased to favor Hamas.

Easiest way to dismiss what someone just said, or facts they brought to light? Call them a terrorist. Don't even try to to talk about facts or anything tangible like that, just call them a radical muslim with an agenda so that people will doubt what they are saying. Proof to back the claims that they are radical terrorist jihadi extremeists up? Who needs them?

The first article was from Human Rights Watch (HRW). HRW has been accused of being both anti-Israel, and Pro-Israeli, in its bias. Whenever they shine light with documented facts of the abuse against such groups as "Palestinians," Israeli media or government accuse them of being bias against Israel. HRW is not a perfect news reporting organization. They at least do their homework sometimes and present factual evidence that one can work with. Dismissing them as biased to favor Hamas is silly.

The second article was from the Electronic Intifada (EI). Here is a quote from Hannah Brown of the Jerusalem Post Newspaper:

There are many sites out there that give a Palestinian perspective of the news, but one of the most elaborate is the Electronic Intifada at The Electronic Intifada . . . . . . EI, as it calls itself, is very professional, user-friendly and well written. It is mainly a compilation of news from publications all over the Internet, aimed at combating the pro-Israeli, pro-American spin the EI creators feel is generally found in press accounts. (While many of The Jerusalem Post readers may feel that the American and international media tend to display a pro-Palestinian bias, apparently Palestinians are also alarmed by what they read.) It does collect news from a wide variety of sources, including (although not usually) the Post. It is adorned by photos, such as a picture of a lone, small Palestinian boy aiming a stone at an Israeli tank.​

Do the owners of this organization have a bias? Definitely. Does that mean everything they report is false? Not in the least bit. One just needs to recognize the difference between opinion and reportable facts, like video evidence. One should never rely on one source alone to verify something is going on.

Finally, the third article is from The Guardian who was recently accused of being Pro-Israeli in bias:

Guardian accused of pro-Israel bias over anti-Hamas ‘child sacrifice’ ad — RT UK

The article focuses on a booklet of testimonies from former Israeli soldiers about the inhumane treatment of "Palestinians" they witnessed.

Pro Hamas? That leaves me scratching my head.


Have you ever heard of the Deir Yassin Massacre?

"Early in the morning of Friday, April 9, 1948, commandos of the Irgun, headed by Menachem Begin, and the Stern Gang attacked Deir Yassin, a village with about 750 Palestinian residents. It was several weeks before the end of the British Mandate. The village lay outside of the area that the United Nations recommended be included in a future Jewish State. Deir Yassin had a peaceful reputation and was even said by a Jewish newspaper to have driven out some Arab militants. But it was located on high ground in the corridor between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem and one plan, kept secret until years afterwards, called for it to be destroyed and the residents evacuated to make way for a small airfield that would supply the beleaguered Jewish residents of Jerusalem.

By noon over 100 people, half of them women and children, had been systematically murdered. Four commandos died at the hands of resisting Palestinians using old Mausers and muskets. Twenty-five male villagers were loaded into trucks, paraded through the Zakhron Yosef quarter in Jerusalem, and then taken to a stone quarry along the road between Givat Shaul and Deir Yassin and shot to death. The remaining residents were driven to Arab East Jerusalem.

That evening the Irgunists and the Sternists escorted a party of foreign correspondents to a house at Givat Shaul, a nearby Jewish settlement founded in 1906. Over tea and cookies they amplified the details of the operation and justified it, saying Deir Yassin had become a concentration point for Arabs, including Syrians and Iraqis, planning to attack the western suburbs of Jerusalem. They said that 25 members of the Haganah militia had reinforced the attack and claimed that an Arabic-speaking Jew had warned the villagers over a loudspeaker from an armored car. This was duly reported in The New York Times on April 10.

A final body count of 254 was reported by The New York Times on April 13, a day after they were finally buried. By then the leaders of the Haganah had distanced themselves from having participated in the attack and issued a statement denouncing the dissidents of Irgun and the Stern Gang, just as they had after the attack on the King David Hotel in July 1946. A 1987 study undertaken by Birzeit University's Center for Research and Documentation of Palestinian Society found "the numbers of those killed does not exceed 120".

The Haganah leaders admitted that the massacre "disgraced the cause of Jewish fighters and dishonored Jewish arms and the Jewish flag." They played down the fact that their militia had reinforced the terrorists' attack, even though they did not participate in the barbarism and looting during the subsequent "mopping up" operations.
They also played down the fact that, in Begin's words, "Deir Yassin was captured with the knowledge of the Haganah and with the approval of its commander" as a part of its "plan for establishing an airfield."

Ben Gurion even sent an apology to King Abdullah of Trans-Jordan. But this horrific act served the future State of Israel well. According to Begin:

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  "Arabs throughout the country, induced to believe wild tales of "Irgun butchery," were seized with limitless panic and started to flee for their lives. This mass flight soon developed into a maddened, uncontrollable stampede. The political and economic significance of this development can hardly be overestimated."

Of about 144 houses, 10 were dynamited. The cemetery was later bulldozed and, like hundreds of other Palestinian villages to follow, Deir Yassin was wiped off the map. By September, Orthodox Jewish immigrants from Poland, Rumania, and Slovakia were settled there over the objections of Martin Buber, Cecil Roth and other Jewish leaders, who believed that the site of the massacre should be left uninhabited. The center of the village was renamed Givat Shaul Bet. As Jerusalem expanded, the land of Deir Yassin became part of the city and is now known simply as the area between Givat Shaul and the settlement of Har Nof on the western slopes of the mountain.

The massacre of Palestinians at Deir Yassin is one of the most significant events in 20th-century Palestinian and Israeli history. This is not because of its size or its brutality, but because it stands as the starkest early warning of a calculated depopulation of over 400 Arab villages and cities and the expulsion of over 700,000 Palestinian inhabitants to make room for survivors of the Holocaust and other Jews from the rest of the world."

Deir Yassin: History of the Massacre​

 

[B-A-C]

A very anti-Israel piece of propaganda. Have Israeli's killed Palestinians, yes?
Have Palestinians killed Israeli's? Yes. They have fought for 1,000's of year and likely will
continue to do so. Many take the prophecy of Ishmael to mean just this.

But the fact remains, there is a nation called Israel. Just 4 days ago Iran's leaders vowed to eradicate them.

I have never heard Israel vow to eradicate Iran, or Syria, or Jordon, or Egypt, or Saudi Arabia, or any
of the other predominately Palestinian countries. It's hard to say how many Jews there are, but it's
generally accepted that most of them are in Israel. The US probably contains the second highest
population of Jews.

In Word War II, the Nazi Holocaust claimed about six million Jews.

The thing about Jews is that they always know they are Jewish. Americans rarely know their
ethnic background. White Americans are of European descent, but most can't tell you
what country. Black Americans are of African descent, but most can't tell you what country.

In any case these people have to live somewhere. They had no place to call home for hundreds
of years. So they took back the traditional homeland. This particular spot was promised to Abraham.
Gen 15:18; Exod 23:31;

So if not there... where would you propose that they live? What other part of the world should they have
taken over? So far no other nation has offered to give them a large chunk of land. There is the thought that they just live in other nations, (even this wouldn't make the Palestinians
happy) and mingle among the other nations of the world unless their bloodline is diluted until
they no longer exist as a people. Satan tried this also, but it didn't work.

In the 65 years Israel has been a nation, they have been attacked by every Palestinian country at least
once. In all over 100 times in the last 65 years. Most of the time Israel strikes back, it is in retaliation.

No matter where "Israel" would be on a map, it would still be under attack. It just happens to be
back in the traditional land promised to Abraham, by chance or by God's providence.
(Many on here would say nothing happens by chance, God is in control of these things).

Of course Jesus was a Jew. I still believe Him to be in His earthly body... A Jewish body.
Much of Israel has not accepted Jesus as the Messiah, even this is foretold by Paul ( Rom 11:19-29; )
but it says eventually many will. In the Old testament Jews were forbidden from inter-racial marriage. Partially so they wouldn't follow after the gods of other people, and partially
to keep a pure bloodline.

Does God love Palestinians? I'm sure he does, there are even many Christian Palestinians for that matter.
But will he keep His promises to Israel? (even the New testament promises)

He's been able to so far, I've never seen anything keep Him from it so far.

 

[Dovegiven]

The massacre of Palestinians at Deir Yassin is one of the most significant events in 20th-century Palestinian and Israeli history. This is not because of its size or its brutality, but because it stands as the starkest early warning of a calculated depopulation of over 400 Arab villages and cities and the expulsion of over 700,000 Palestinian inhabitants to make room for survivors of the Holocaust and other Jews from the rest of the world."
History of the Massacre​

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For the irrefutable "other" side of that coin, visit The Capture of Deir Yassin | Jewish Virtual Library

Taking the HRW position concerning Israel, and especially deir yassin, the Palestinian version of Israeli violence now is like sticking to the Mexican school system's version of the Alamo to the dismissal of the American version of history. That's happening now.

Right now they are hounding European nations over lack of premium services to so-called refugees from the middle east who are marching through other Muslim nations that have the economy their workers should appreciate. They don't want that, obviously aiming for nations that might hand out cash and give them a good living without working for it. So the target nations are apparently reacting by modifying their welfare systems to issue the equivalent of "food stamps", and offering tent cities instead of awarding fine homes and nice cars, flush credit cards, and the best of medical care. Notice other Muslim nations are not interested in them.

HRW is stirring up world hatred against any nation not sharing the good of the land with non-productive immigrants who enter nations by violating their sovereignty laws.. What would they get for that in return? Making their nation a Muslim nation, a safe harbor for the spread of Jihad. Saudi Arabia has offered to donate a new mosque for every 100 refugees in acceptable nations. So the deep purpose of those immigrants isn't to flee from ISIS, but to get ISIS agents back into Europe to wage terrorism and human blackmail. Older methods of their distribution have been mostly closed off by international cooperation, so what we're seeing is a mass invasion.on the order of warfare.

No wonder they demand restoration of "Palestine", knowing the inevitable end result of eradicating Israel if they got what they want.

Scripture prophesy favors ancient Israel being raised back up following the current prophesied signs of that process. God gave that area to the sons of Jacob, and is no liar.

 

[B-A-C]

The prophecy of Ishmail.

Genesis 16:11-12 NASBS
The angel of the LORD said to her further, "Behold, you are with child, And you will bear a son; And you shall call his name Ishmael, Because the LORD has given heed to your affliction. [12] "He will be a wild donkey of a man, His hand will be against everyone, And everyone's hand will be against him; And he will live to the east of all his brothers."

 

[Dovegiven]

The prophecy of Ishmail.

Genesis 16:11-12 NASBS
The angel of the LORD said to her further, "Behold, you are with child, And you will bear a son; And you shall call his name Ishmael, Because the LORD has given heed to your affliction. [12] "He will be a wild donkey of a man, His hand will be against everyone, And everyone's hand will be against him; And he will live to the east of all his brothers."

I enjoyed refreshing myself about that. Arabs put Ishmael's clan along the Red Sea on west side of Saudi Arabia, southeast of Jerusalem, in Hejaz (Desert of Paran), where the Hebrews camped in the wilderness. That "wild donkey" label still applies.

This version has v. 12 as Genesis 16:12 (KJV) And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

That too applies today. Should he inherit Isaac's portion? No. God gave him the Arabic portion. Greed entered in, that clan desiring what didn't belong to them, to this day,

 

[B-A-C]

The prayer of Jehoshaphat. 2 Chron 20;

2 Chron 20:1; Now it came about after this that the sons of Moab and the sons of Ammon, together with some of the Meunites, came to make war against Jehoshaphat.
2 Chron 20:2; Then some came and reported to Jehoshaphat, saying, "A great multitude is coming against you from beyond the sea, out of Aram and behold, they are in Hazazon-tamar (that is Engedi)."
2 Chron 20:3; Jehoshaphat was afraid and turned his attention to seek the LORD, and proclaimed a fast throughout all Judah.
2 Chron 20:4; So Judah gathered together to seek help from the LORD; they even came from all the cities of Judah to seek the LORD.
2 Chron 20:5; Then Jehoshaphat stood in the assembly of Judah and Jerusalem, in the house of the LORD before the new court,
2 Chron 20:6; and he said, "O LORD, the God of our fathers, are You not God in the heavens? And are You not ruler over all the kingdoms of the nations? Power and might are in Your hand so that no one can stand against You.
2 Chron 20:7; "Did You not, O our God, drive out the inhabitants of this land before Your people Israel and give it to the descendants of Abraham Your friend forever?
2 Chron 20:8; "They have lived in it, and have built You a sanctuary there for Your name, saying,
2 Chron 20:9; 'Should evil come upon us, the sword, or judgment, or pestilence, or famine, we will stand before this house and before You (for Your name is in this house) and cry to You in our distress, and You will hear and deliver us.'
2 Chron 20:10; "Now behold, the sons of Ammon and Moab and Mount Seir, whom You did not let Israel invade when they came out of the land of Egypt (they turned aside from them and did not destroy them),
2 Chron 20:11; see how they are rewarding us by coming to drive us out from Your possession which You have given us as an inheritance.
2 Chron 20:12; "O our God, will You not judge them? For we are powerless before this great multitude who are coming against us; nor do we know what to do, but our eyes are on You."
2 Chron 20:13; All Judah was standing before the LORD, with their infants, their wives and their children.
2 Chron 20:14; Then in the midst of the assembly the Spirit of the LORD came upon Jahaziel the son of Zechariah, the son of Benaiah, the son of Jeiel, the son of Mattaniah, the Levite of the sons of Asaph;
2 Chron 20:15; and he said, "Listen, all Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem and King Jehoshaphat: thus says the LORD to you, 'Do not fear or be dismayed because of this great multitude, for the battle is not yours but God's.
2 Chron 20:16; 'Tomorrow go down against them. Behold, they will come up by the ascent of Ziz, and you will find them at the end of the valley in front of the wilderness of Jeruel.
2 Chron 20:17; 'You need not fight in this battle; station yourselves, stand and see the salvation of the LORD on your behalf, O Judah and Jerusalem.' Do not fear or be dismayed; tomorrow go out to face them, for the LORD is with you."
2 Chron 20:18; Jehoshaphat bowed his head with his face to the ground, and all Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem fell down before the LORD, worshiping the LORD.

We could get into several long sermons about this prayer. About how the first thing Jehoshaphat did was "turn his attention to seek
the Lord" (verse 2)
About how he is praying to the God in the heavens. (verse 6)
About how he recognized he was powerless before the enemy (verse 12)

About how God replied through a word of prophecy through Jahaziel (verse 14)
and even about how God said He would fight the fight for them. ( verses 15 and 17)

But the thing I would like to point out here is this...
In verse 7 Jehoshaphat reminds God that He promised this land to the descendants of Abraham... forever.
Not just for a generation or two. Not for a century or two. Not even just until the Messiah comes.

( Exod 32:13; and again the New testament Luke 1:55; ) When did this happen? Way back in Gen 13:15;

Gen 13; is where Abraham and Lot went their separate ways. Lot chose the valley of the Jordan, and Abram chose Canaan.
In Gen 13:14-17; God promises this land the Abrahams descendants... "forever".