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The Love Of Money Is Idol Worshipping

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The love of money is idol worshipping in its most relevant and practical form. Money can replace God. Money can mimic God and give us (false) illusions of security, safety, love and happiness. We can begin to trust in money to the point of confusing it with God and loving it more than God.

Exodus 20:23 – Do not make any gods to be alongside me; do not make for yourselves gods of silver or gods of gold.

This commandment is telling us not to make money, our God. This is idol worshipping.

Matthew 6:24-34 “No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.

We make money into our God when we follow worldly principles and philosophies instead of biblical ones. Principles from the bible would actually cause us to give our money away and not to amass it.

We make money into our God when we seek after it instead of God. We spend our time and energy seeking this money because we lack faith that God will provide for us. We diligently look to money for security and not to God.

Matthew 6 continued….25 “Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothes?

In this verse, Jesus is explaining that life is about more than physical food and clothing. Our focus should be feeding on the word of God and clothing our spiritual body with righteousness (which is the words and teachings of Jesus). We should be caring about our spiritual life.

Our concern should not be on our physical lives here in the world which is short and will pass away. Why are we investing in something so temporary? If we put seeking and keeping the Holy Spirit in our lives our first and only priority, God will add all the things we need to us. He will provide for us as He promised.

#loveofmoney #havefaith #Godwillprovide #giveupall
 
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A good question to ask ourselfs is do wear do I spend my money, do I spend more on myself then I do on the kingdom??

show me a mans check book and we will see were his heart is.
 
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The love of money is idol worshipping in its most relevant and practical form. Money can replace God. Money can mimic God and give us (false) illusions of security, safety, love and happiness. We can begin to trust in money to the point of confusing it with God and loving it more than God.

Exodus 20:23 – Do not make any gods to be alongside me; do not make for yourselves gods of silver or gods of gold.

This commandment is telling us not to make money, our God. This is idol worshipping.

Matthew 6:24-34 “No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.

We make money into our God when we follow worldly principles and philosophies instead of biblical ones. Principles from the bible would actually cause us to give our money away and not to amass it.

We make money into our God when we seek after it instead of God. We spend our time and energy seeking this money because we lack faith that God will provide for us. We diligently look to money for security and not to God.

Matthew 6 continued….25 “Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothes?

In this verse, Jesus is explaining that life is about more than physical food and clothing. Our focus should be feeding on the word of God and clothing our spiritual body with righteousness (which is the words and teachings of Jesus). We should be caring about our spiritual life.

Our concern should not be on our physical lives here in the world which is short and will pass away. Why are we investing in something so temporary? If we put seeking and keeping the Holy Spirit in our lives our first and only priority, God will add all the things we need to us. He will provide for us as He promised.

#loveofmoney #havefaith #Godwillprovide #giveupall
Praying for anything that betters your personal life and does not further the ministry of the Lord is Idolatry.
 
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Idol worshipping is when you love anything more than God
This includes drinking , eating , having sex , the need to be the best or give the most ( at your church ) , a dog , your own children , your spouse, your self ( thank you Dave for the thought ) , and of course money
 
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What is it , when God brings into your life , you meet someone who has nothing . The Darkness will give you the feeling of " repugnance " you might think ' yuck ' and try walking away .

When you feel that " repugnance " or that yucky feeling . TAKE IT AS AN INDICATOR THAT THE DARKNESS DOES NOT WANT YOU TO MEET . And you should do just the opposite .
" WHEN YOU HELP THE LEAST OF THESE , YOU ARE HELPING ME TOO " remember the Words of Jesus .

So the Idol Worship can go much deeper than simple things , it is how we are inside too . We may not think of this as idol worship , but viewing another human as unimportant to aid , is placing ourselves higher than another .
Scripture states, you never know when it may be an Angel .
This thought should not be the concept that sways you to doing good deeds . But it is still better than not doing anything at all.
 
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Idol worshipping is when you love anything more than God
This includes drinking , eating , having sex , the need to be the best or give the most ( at your church ) , a dog , your own children , your spouse, your self ( thank you Dave for the thought ) , and of course money
This is true. I heard a story where the first man prayed for health of his family and the ability to provide for them and the second man prayed for help with his finances and the third prayed for his family and help with his business prosperity and the fourth prayed for his health and for money for his ministry and he asked the girl which one had the best prayer and she said number 4 and Jesus said " He is praying for money for his ministry to better his own interests. This is Idolatry. The third one would have been good if his business was promoting My word but it is for personal gain. This is Idolatry. The second one would have been good if it was to promote My kingdom but it is not. Idolatry and the first one would be good if their health was to promote and spread my Word around the world but it is personal. Anything that does not promote My kingdom and sharing My word is Idolatry. "

This was just a story but I found it helpful.
 
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A good question to ask ourselfs is do wear do I spend my money, do I spend more on myself then I do on the kingdom??

show me a mans check book and we will see were his heart is.
Luke 14:33 In the same way, those of you who do not give up everything you have cannot be my disciples.

Mark 12:
41 Jesus sat down opposite the place where the offerings were put(AJ) and watched the crowd putting their money into the temple treasury. Many rich people threw in large amounts. 42 But a poor widow came and put in two very small copper coins, worth only a few cents.

43 Calling his disciples to him, Jesus said, “Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others. 44 They all gave out of their wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything—all she had to live on.”


Luke 18:28 Look,” said Peter, “we have left all we had to follow You.”
 
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What is it , when God brings into your life , you meet someone who has nothing . The Darkness will give you the feeling of " repugnance " you might think ' yuck ' and try walking away .

When you feel that " repugnance " or that yucky feeling . TAKE IT AS AN INDICATOR THAT THE DARKNESS DOES NOT WANT YOU TO MEET . And you should do just the opposite .
" WHEN YOU HELP THE LEAST OF THESE , YOU ARE HELPING ME TOO " remember the Words of Jesus .

So the Idol Worship can go much deeper than simple things , it is how we are inside too . We may not think of this as idol worship , but viewing another human as unimportant to aid , is placing ourselves higher than another .
Scripture states, you never know when it may be an Angel .
This thought should not be the concept that sways you to doing good deeds . But it is still better than not doing anything at all.
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Luke 14:33 In the same way, those of you who do not give up everything you have cannot be my disciples.

Mark 12:
41 Jesus sat down opposite the place where the offerings were put(AJ) and watched the crowd putting their money into the temple treasury. Many rich people threw in large amounts. 42 But a poor widow came and put in two very small copper coins, worth only a few cents.

43 Calling his disciples to him, Jesus said, “Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others. 44 They all gave out of their wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything—all she had to live on.”


Luke 18:28 Look,” said Peter, “we have left all we had to follow You.”

We must give up everything for Jesus must give up all our possessions.
 
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Idol worshipping is when you love anything more than God
This includes drinking , eating , having sex , the need to be the best or give the most ( at your church ) , a dog , your own children , your spouse, your self ( thank you Dave for the thought ) , and of course money
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Luke 14:33 In the same way, those of you who do not give up everything you have cannot be my disciples.

Mark 12:
41 Jesus sat down opposite the place where the offerings were put(AJ) and watched the crowd putting their money into the temple treasury. Many rich people threw in large amounts. 42 But a poor widow came and put in two very small copper coins, worth only a few cents.

43 Calling his disciples to him, Jesus said, “Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others. 44 They all gave out of their wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything—all she had to live on.”


Luke 18:28 Look,” said Peter, “we have left all we had to follow You.”
 
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Luke 14:33 In the same way, those of you who do not give up everything you have cannot be my disciples.

Mark 12:
41 Jesus sat down opposite the place where the offerings were put(AJ) and watched the crowd putting their money into the temple treasury. Many rich people threw in large amounts. 42 But a poor widow came and put in two very small copper coins, worth only a few cents.

43 Calling his disciples to him, Jesus said, “Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others. 44 They all gave out of their wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything—all she had to live on.”


Luke 18:28 Look,” said Peter, “we have left all we had to follow You.”
Was Peter saying this bitterly like , " Look we gave up everything to follow you," ?
 
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Was Peter saying this bitterly like , " Look we gave up everything to follow you," ?

Matthew 19:27
Peter answered him, "We have left everything to follow you! What then will there be for us?"


In Matthew it says it this way. I think he was just asking a question. That since we have given up everything what will we get.?
 
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Just remember, NEVER did Jesus ask people to live in a tent in the middle of a field. If your blessed with a comfortable household and a reliable car, he is as pleased as you are. There is nothing wrong with prosperity per se, its who your focusing on, on your journey. Love Jesus with all your heart, mind and soul, and love your neighbor as yourself. Its not complicated and doesnt need a 200 page essay on what he meant.
 
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Just remember, NEVER did Jesus ask people to live in a tent in the middle of a field. If your blessed with a comfortable household and a reliable car, he is as pleased as you are. There is nothing wrong with prosperity per se, its who your focusing on, on your journey. Love Jesus with all your heart, mind and soul, and love your neighbor as yourself. Its not complicated and doesnt need a 200 page essay on what he meant.
I never suggested that he did. I was just wondering the tone in which he said it. I don't have either of those things but I am following Him anyways. They don't mean anything to me because I am just as blessed without them.
 
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Matthew 19:27
Peter answered him, "We have left everything to follow you! What then will there be for us?"


In Matthew it says it this way. I think he was just asking a question. That since we have given up everything what will we get.?
Yeah, that is the wrong way to be in my opinion. I've done this for you, so what's in it for me? That's the mentality of most people today. You should give to serve people in general not looking for "yours". The very nature of life will give back to you if you look for nothing in return.
 
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Just remember, NEVER did Jesus ask people to live in a tent in the middle of a field. If your blessed with a comfortable household and a reliable car, he is as pleased as you are. There is nothing wrong with prosperity per se, its who your focusing on, on your journey. Love Jesus with all your heart, mind and soul, and love your neighbor as yourself. Its not complicated and doesnt need a 200 page essay on what he meant.
Please provide scripture regarding your assertions.

Luke 14:33 In the same way, those of you who do not give up everything you have cannot be my disciples.

Mark 12:
41 Jesus sat down opposite the place where the offerings were put(AJ) and watched the crowd putting their money into the temple treasury. Many rich people threw in large amounts. 42 But a poor widow came and put in two very small copper coins, worth only a few cents.

43 Calling his disciples to him, Jesus said, “Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others. 44 They all gave out of their wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything—all she had to live on.”


Luke 18:28 Look,” said Peter, “we have left all we had to follow You.”

Luke 12:
22 Then Jesus said to his disciples: “Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat; or about your body, what you will wear. 23 For life is more than food, and the body more than clothes.24 Consider the ravens: They do not sow or reap, they have no storeroom or barn; yet God feeds them.(T) And how much more valuable you are than birds! 25 Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to your life[b]?26 Since you cannot do this very little thing, why do you worry about the rest?

27 “Consider how the wild flowers grow. They do not labor or spin. Yet I tell you, not even Solomon in all his splendor(U) was dressed like one of these. 28 If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today, and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, how much more will he clothe you—you of little faith!(V)29 And do not set your heart on what you will eat or drink; do not worry about it. 30 For the pagan world runs after all such things, and your Father(W) knows that you need them.(X)31 But seek his kingdom,(Y) and these things will be given to you as well.(Z)

32 “Do not be afraid,(AA) little flock, for your Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom.(AB) 33 Sell your possessions and give to the poor.(AC) Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven(AD) that will never fail, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys.(AE) 34 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.(AF)


Acts 2:45
New Living Translation
They sold their property and possessions and shared the money with those in need.

Acts 4:34
There were no needy ones among them, because those who owned lands or houses would sell their property, bring the proceeds from the sales,

I am providing scripture regarding my assertions.
 
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A good question to ask ourselfs is do wear do I spend my money, do I spend more on myself then I do on the kingdom??

show me a mans check book and we will see were his heart is.
Nonsense. I spend my money on rent, food, clothing, my hobbies, my friends, my family, all which I thank God for. I thank God for the money I have. I thank God for the money I earn. I thank God the money I spend and things for which I purchase. I know money can never be God, because money didn't create the universe nor did it create me and therefore money never deserves the love, that's reserved for God.

Money is neutral. It really doesn't care how you use it. You can purchase evil. You can purchase good. Money doesn't really care.

So, if I look at your checkbook, it really doesn't tell me if you love money, it tells me something about you and what you might consider important. Money therefore is the primitive that becomes the goods and services you consume that may tell us something about you. But I'd never know if you loved money. A wealthy man or woman who loves God worth 9 figures, who has the purchasing power to buy what only other men dream of, does he or she love money? An unelected government bureaucrat who holds more power than an elected official who confiscates your wealth, because he or she doesn't create anything of value, does he or she love money? I'll let you answer that one.

Have a nice day. God Bless You.
 
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A good question to ask ourselfs is do wear do I spend my money, do I spend more on myself then I do on the kingdom??

show me a mans check book and we will see were his heart is.
Its not about money . Otherwise you fall into the Jimmy Baker syndrom where millions are given and spent " in the name of Christ " . But in reality the giving or spending of money is only stroking your ego .

Its just like those who brag about how well they know the bible verse by verse . Just because a person can quote every verse of scripture doesnt mean that person is close to God .

In some cases , Christians will use the Scriptures so much , it becomes a crutch , where nothing can be said unless you can find it in the Bible .

God never ment for the Bible to be used as the end all when it comes to faith . God's purpose for the Bible is to show the way , to be the cornerstone . But we still need to build our lives .

If we only live by confermations , then we limit God to only what we grasp in Scripture .

It is why its so important to hear the words of Jesus and His Apostles when scripture says . Others will come and do even greater things than i or this isnt all that Jesus did or said . The Bible just shows the way .
 
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Nonsense. I spend my money on rent, food, clothing, my hobbies, my friends, my family, all which I thank God for. I thank God for the money I have. I thank God for the money I earn. I thank God the money I spend and things for which I purchase. I know money can never be God, because money didn't create the universe nor did it create me and therefore money never deserves the love, that's reserved for God.

Money is neutral. It really doesn't care how you use it. You can purchase evil. You can purchase good. Money doesn't really care.

So, if I look at your checkbook, it really doesn't tell me if you love money, it tells me something about you and what you might consider important. Money therefore is the primitive that becomes the goods and services you consume that may tell us something about you. But I'd never know if you loved money. A wealthy man or woman who loves God worth 9 figures, who has the purchasing power to buy what only other men dream of, does he or she love money? An unelected government bureaucrat who holds more power than an elected official who confiscates your wealth, because he or she doesn't create anything of value, does he or she love money? I'll let you answer that one.

Have a nice day. God Bless You.
Luke 14:33 In the same way, those of you who do not give up everything you have cannot be my disciples.

Jesus is stating if you don’t give up all your possessions by selling them and giving them to the poor then according to him you love money more than God since you trust in it and not God to provide. Please see the below scriptures.



Mark 12:
41 Jesus sat down opposite the place where the offerings were put(AJ) and watched the crowd putting their money into the temple treasury. Many rich people threw in large amounts. 42 But a poor widow came and put in two very small copper coins, worth only a few cents.

43 Calling his disciples to him, Jesus said, “Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others. 44 They all gave out of their wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything—all she had to live on.”


Luke 18:28 Look,” said Peter, “we have left all we had to follow You.”

Luke 12:
22 Then Jesus said to his disciples: “Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat; or about your body, what you will wear. 23 For life is more than food, and the body more than clothes.24 Consider the ravens: They do not sow or reap, they have no storeroom or barn; yet God feeds them.(T) And how much more valuable you are than birds! 25 Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to your life[b]?26 Since you cannot do this very little thing, why do you worry about the rest?

27 “Consider how the wild flowers grow. They do not labor or spin. Yet I tell you, not even Solomon in all his splendor(U) was dressed like one of these. 28 If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today, and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, how much more will he clothe you—you of little faith!(V)29 And do not set your heart on what you will eat or drink; do not worry about it. 30 For the pagan world runs after all such things, and your Father(W) knows that you need them.(X)31 But seek his kingdom,(Y) and these things will be given to you as well.(Z)

32 “Do not be afraid,(AA) little flock, for your Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom.(AB) 33 Sell your possessions and give to the poor.(AC) Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven(AD) that will never fail, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys.(AE) 34 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.(AF)


Acts 2:45
New Living Translation
They sold their property and possessions and shared the money with those in need.

Acts 4:34
There were no needy ones among them, because those who owned lands or houses would sell their property, bring the proceeds from the sales,
 
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Luke 14:33 In the same way, those of you who do not give up everything you have cannot be my disciples.

Jesus is stating if you don’t give up all your possessions by selling them and giving them to the poor then according to him you love money more than God since you trust in it and not God to provide. Please see the below scriptures.



Mark 12:
41 Jesus sat down opposite the place where the offerings were put(AJ) and watched the crowd putting their money into the temple treasury. Many rich people threw in large amounts. 42 But a poor widow came and put in two very small copper coins, worth only a few cents.

43 Calling his disciples to him, Jesus said, “Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others. 44 They all gave out of their wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything—all she had to live on.”


Luke 18:28 Look,” said Peter, “we have left all we had to follow You.”

Luke 12:
22 Then Jesus said to his disciples: “Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat; or about your body, what you will wear. 23 For life is more than food, and the body more than clothes.24 Consider the ravens: They do not sow or reap, they have no storeroom or barn; yet God feeds them.(T) And how much more valuable you are than birds! 25 Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to your life[b]?26 Since you cannot do this very little thing, why do you worry about the rest?

27 “Consider how the wild flowers grow. They do not labor or spin. Yet I tell you, not even Solomon in all his splendor(U) was dressed like one of these. 28 If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today, and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, how much more will he clothe you—you of little faith!(V)29 And do not set your heart on what you will eat or drink; do not worry about it. 30 For the pagan world runs after all such things, and your Father(W) knows that you need them.(X)31 But seek his kingdom,(Y) and these things will be given to you as well.(Z)

32 “Do not be afraid,(AA) little flock, for your Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom.(AB) 33 Sell your possessions and give to the poor.(AC) Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven(AD) that will never fail, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys.(AE) 34 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.(AF)


Acts 2:45
New Living Translation
They sold their property and possessions and shared the money with those in need.

Acts 4:34
There were no needy ones among them, because those who owned lands or houses would sell their property, bring the proceeds from the sales,

Your taking Luke 14:33 out of context. Read Luke 14: 25 through 34 and get the full context.
Jesus is saying, "You want to be my disciple, then what are willing to give up?" Its a value judgement of contest between material value vs. Christ. Being a Christian automatically puts you discipleship. Therefore whatever presents a challenge to your relationship with Christ, must be given up. There's nothing in the context about giving to the poor and needy in versus 25 through 34. I reject the guilt premise having to sacrifice to those who are obligated and personally responsible to their own self preservation. I have no problem helping people have done so many times, but I surely will not be manipulated into doing so. Such a choice has nothing to do with a contest between Christ and the poor. Furthermore God has blessed me with the money I earn, the money I have and things I've purchased and I have obligation to be a good steward over the money God has blessed with me.

Quoting Mark 12 doesn't support your premise.
This is a relative evaluation of value. For the sake of simplicity let's say a rich person is worth the value 10 and the widow is worth the value of 2. The rich person gives 5 of his 10 or 50% and the widow gives 100% all 2. Well its no brainer, the widow did give more in relative terms because she gave 100% and it came from her heart to do so. The rich person afforded to give 5, but kept the other 5. In my opinion rich person has done nothing wrong, at least he gave something. Its not a moral evaluation weather the rich gave 100% or not was right or wrong, but rather a relative evaluation where morality is not a variable.

Quoting Luke 12 doesn't support your premise.
Trusting in the Lord has nothing to do with the love of money. Nor does it refute that I thank God for the money I earn, have and how I spend it. Furthermore faith without works is dead. If I need a job, I'm going to sit idle in my livingroom wait for God to drop a job in my lap. This where Luke 12 is applied. I go out and get a job because in Luke 12 it tells not to worry. God's got my back. God has job lined up for me, provided I got off butt and go get one.

Quoting Acts 2:45 doesn't support your premise.
The people described in Acts 2 42 through 47 is not a moral mandate. Its a description of state of being, in a place and a time. It would be no different if I were request of you to articulate in writing what you saw on Sunday morning at your church from the time you arrived and the time you went home. Sounds like all the people in Act 2 42 and 47 had a good time, a festive atmosphere with a holy look and feel.

Quoting Acts 4 34 doesn't support your premise.
This is no different than Acts 2 42 through 47, a description of a state of being as opposed to being a moral mandate.

Whist we are on these scriptures of Acts you bring to my attention lets pay attention to something. The people described giving and selling all they have, are doing so, on their own free will. There's no tax policy confiscating of wealth There's no strong man intimidating them and coercing them to do so. There's no intellectual hipster quoting Marx and equality or egalitarianism. You, by presenting these scriptures to me as a means of refuting me is an act of manipulation. I reject your arguments. I reject socialism. I reject anything that produces guilt that a human being made by God is obligated to be a sacrifice and end unto another human being, God equally created, who in addition has the equal ability and obligation to provide, achieve and do the best they can or their own self preservation in the life God gave them.

I hate to break to break to you, but Jesus Christ isn't a socialist. If he were he'd been tyrant and terrorized people confiscating wealth and ensuring some ethereal sacrificial mandate of the greater good was enforced with a trail of bodies numbering the millions in his wake.

Have a great day.
 
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our taking Luke 14:33 out of context. Read Luke 14: 25 through 34 and get the full context.
In light of Acts 2:45 - They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need.
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Acts 4:34 - There were no needy people among them, because those who owned land or houses would sell them.
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Luke 14:33 - In the same way, those of you who do not give up everything you have cannot be my disciples.

It is obviously you who are interpreting Luke 14:33 wrong, and the disciples along with the first century church, who interpreted it in the way I am saying it reads.

Jesus is saying, "You want to be my disciple, then what are willing to give up?"
Jesus is not asking us what we are willing to give up, he is telling us what we need to give up and that is EVERYTHING! No, Jesus is stating that in order to be a disciple you must give up everything (father, mother, wife, children, brothers and sisters,). We can learn a lot from Luke 14:25 onwards:

Luke 14:25-26 - Now large crowds were going along with Him; and He turned and said to them, 26“If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple.

This means that you must speak the truth, even though your own family will turn against you and persecute, revile and isolate you. In spite of this, you must put the teachings of Jesus first in your life. Otherwise you cannot be his disciple.

Luke 14:27 - And whoever does not carry their cross and follow me cannot be my disciple.

Here, Jesus is stating that you must do like him and be willing to lose your own life for his message. Jesus died for the message that he preached. He is stating that if we are not willing to suffer and even die for the teachings of Jesus and the preaching of it, then you cannot be his discu

Jesus goes on to say in Luke 14:28 - "Suppose one of you wants to build a tower. Won't you first sit down and estimate the cost to see if you have enough money to complete it? 29 For if you lay the foundation and are not able to finish it, everyone who sees it will ridicule you, 30saying, ‘This person began to build and wasn’t able to finish.’

31“Or suppose a king is about to go to war against another king. Won’t he first sit down and consider whether he is able with ten thousand men to oppose the one coming against him with twenty thousand? 32If he is not able, he will send a delegation while the other is still a long way off and will ask for terms of peace. 33In the same way, those of you who do not give up everything you have cannot be my disciples.

Jesus is saying to weigh up the cost of being a disciple; losing your own family and even possibly your life for the message he preached. Otherwise, you will compromise the teachings and become a blasphemer. Luke 14:33 - in the same way, Jesus is asking us to understand that we must give up our possessions and not deny Jesus and blaspheme by not believing his teachings.

Luke 14:34-35 - “Salt is good, but if it loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? 35It is fit neither for the soil nor for the manure pile; it is thrown out.

“Whoever has ears to hear, let them hear.”

Then Jesus goes on to speak about the uselessness of those who compromise and blaspheme the word of God and the message of Jesus by comparing them to salt less salt.

Being a Christian automatically puts you discipleship. Therefore whatever presents a challenge to your relationship with Christ, must be given up.
Matthew 6:24 - "No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.

Of course you despise the teachings of what Jesus is saying because you love your money and you cannot serve both.

There's nothing in the context about giving to the poor and needy in versus 25 through 34.
I have showed you more than enough scriptures in the Bible about how the disciples AND 1st Century church interpreted this scripture.

Acts 2:45 - They sold their property and possessions and shared the money with those in need.

Acts 4:34 - There were no needy people among them, because those who owned land or houses would sell them bring the proceeds from the sales, 35and lay them at the apostles’ feet for distribution to anyone as he had need.…

I reject the guilt premise having to sacrifice to those who are obligated and personally responsible to their own self preservation.
Self preservation is what the rest of the world does. We are meant to have faith that God will provide.

Luke 12:30-31 -
“For all these things the nations of the world eagerly seek; but your Father knows that you need these things. 31“But seek His kingdom, and these things will be added to you. 32“Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has chosen gladly to give you the kingdom.
33“Sell your possessions and give to charity; make yourselves money belts which do not wear out, an unfailing treasure in heaven, where no thief comes near nor moth destroys. 34“For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

I have no problem helping people have done so many times, but I surely will not be manipulated into doing so. Such a choice has nothing to do with a contest between Christ and the poor. Furthermore God has blessed me with the money I earn, the money I have and things I've purchased and I have obligation to be a good steward over the money God has blessed with me.
It was the devil who offered Jesus the riches and wealth of this world, not God. You are mistaken that your wealth comes from God.

Luke 16:19-31 - 19“Now there was a rich man, and he habitually dressed in purple and fine linen, joyously living in splendor every day. 20“And a poor man named Lazarus was laid at his gate, covered with sores, 21and longing to be fed with the crumbs which were falling from the rich man’s table; besides, even the dogs were coming and licking his sores. 22“Now the poor man died and was carried away by the angels to Abraham’s bosom; and the rich man also died and was buried. 23“In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom. 24“And he cried out and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in this flame.’ 25“But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that during your life you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus bad things; but now he is being comforted here, and you are in agony. 26‘And besides all this, between us and you there is a great chasm fixed, so that those who wish to come over from here to you will not be able, and that none may cross over from there to us.’ 27“And he said, ‘Then I beg you, father, that you send him to my father’s house— 28for I have five brothers—in order that he may warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’ 29“But Abraham said, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.’ 30“But he said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent!’ 31“But he said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead.’”

Quoting Mark 12 doesn't support your premise.
This is a relative evaluation of value. For the sake of simplicity let's say a rich person is worth the value 10 and the widow is worth the value of 2. The rich person gives 5 of his 10 or 50% and the widow gives 100% all 2. Well its no brainer, the widow did give more in relative terms because she gave 100% and it came from her heart to do so. The rich person afforded to give 5, but kept the other 5. In my opinion rich person has done nothing wrong, at least he gave something. Its not a moral evaluation weather the rich gave 100% or not was right or wrong, but rather a relative evaluation where morality is not a variable.
The scripture clearly states she gave all she had. You are trying to twist the scripture due to your love of money.

Quoting Luke 12 doesn't support your premise.
Trusting in the Lord has nothing to do with the love of money. Nor does it refute that I thank God for the money I earn,
God didn't give it, the devil did.

1 John 2:6 - Those who say they live in God should live their lives as Jesus did.

Furthermore faith without works is dead.
Exactly! So claiming you love Jesus more than money without actually giving up your money shows that your faith is dead.

If I need a job, I'm going to sit idle in my living room wait for God to drop a job in my lap.
No, you must preach the word of God to the world and God will provide.

Mark 16:15 - And then he told them, “Go into all the world and preach the Good News to everyone.

Matthew 28:19 - Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

This where Luke 12 is applied. I go out and get a job because in Luke 12 it tells not to worry. God's got my back. God has job lined up for me, provided I got off butt and go get one.
No, it does not say this. You are omitting Luke 12:33 - Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will never fail, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys.

Quoting Acts 2:45 doesn't support your premise.
The people described in Acts 2 42 through 47 is not a moral mandate. Its a description of state of being, in a place and a time. It would be no different if I were request of you to articulate in writing what you saw on Sunday morning at your church from the time you arrived and the time you went home. Sounds like all the people in Act 2 42 and 47 had a good time, a festive atmosphere with a holy look and feel.
You are twisting the scriptures. I don't agree with anything you say.

Quoting Acts 4 34 doesn't support your premise.
This is no different than Acts 2 42 through 47, a description of a state of being as opposed to being a moral mandate.
You are a lover of money and I don't agree with you at all.

James 5:1-3 - Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming on you. 2 Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes. 3 Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days.

Whist we are on these scriptures of Acts you bring to my attention lets pay attention to something. The people described giving and selling all they have, are doing so, on their own free will.
They are adhering to Luke 12:33 and Luke 14:33 and my other scriptures. It was not free will, but more about accepting and obeying Jesus' command and understanding the cost of being a disciple.

There's no tax policy confiscating of wealth There's no strong man intimidating them and coercing them to do so. There's no intellectual hipster quoting Marx and equality or egalitarianism. You, by presenting these scriptures to me as a means of refuting me is an act of manipulation.
You are a compromiser and manipulator of scripture who loves money.

I reject your arguments. I reject socialism. I reject anything that produces guilt that a human being
2 Corinthians 7:10 - For the kind of sorrow God wants us to experience leads us away from sin and results in salvation. There’s no regret for that kind of sorrow. But worldly sorrow, which lacks repentance, results in spiritual death.

You are contrary to the scriptures.

I hate to break to break to you, but Jesus Christ isn't a socialist. If he were he'd been tyrant and terrorized people confiscating wealth and ensuring some ethereal sacrificial mandate of the greater good was enforced with a trail of bodies numbering the millions in his wake.
No one is forcing you to do anything. But if you want to enter the Kingdom of Heaven, you must obey Jesus' commands.

John 14:15 - "If you love me, keep my commands."

John 14:21 - "Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.

John 14:23 - "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him."

John 15:10 - If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commands and remain in his love.

1 John 2:3 - "And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments."
 

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