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The Fullness of God Inside of Us

james1523

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Paul's prayer for Christians was to be filled with all the fullness of God:

Eph 3:19

19 and to know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.


In Christ lived the fullness of God,
Col 2:9
For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body.

and He was called "God manifest in the flesh" 1 Tim 3:16.

If Christians are also to be filled with the fullness of God, according to Paul's prayer...

Then are we, also "god" manifest in the flesh, or not?

Athanasius said in the 4th century:
"God became man so that man might become a god."

Jesus desires that we be in the Father and the Son, just as closely as the Father and the Son were with each other: John 17:
"As you, Father, are in me and I am in you, may they also be in us"

Jesus desires that we be in the Father and the Son as much as the Father and the Son are in each other.

All Christian denominations accept that God became a man.
But most denominations today deny the teaching of scripture and Orthodox teaching of the early Christian church, that men "become gods".
Is it no wonder that Christians who follow particular teachers today look and behave like mere humans?: 1 Cor 3:4 "For when one says, “I follow Paul,” and another, “I follow Apollos,” are you not being merely human?"

To be truly spiritual, to be a partaker of the Divine nature, to "become a god", is impossible if we are merely human and divisive.


The Westminster Dictionary of Christian Theology contains the following definition of what "deification" is for Orthodoxy:


<dl><dd>Deification (Greek theosis) is for Orthodoxy the goal of every Christian. Man, according to the Bible, is 'made in the image and likeness of God.' ... It is possible for man to become like God, to become deified, to become god by grace. This doctrine is based on many passages of both OT and NT (e.g. Ps. 82 (81).6; II Peter 1.4), and it is essentially the teaching both of St Paul, though he tends to use the language of filial adoption (cf. Rom. 8.9—17; Gal. 4.5—7), and the Fourth Gospel (cf. 17.21—23).
</dd></dl> <dl><dd>The language of II Peter is taken up by St Irenaeus, in his famous phrase, 'if the Word has been made man, it is so that men may be made gods' (Adv. Haer V, Pref.), and becomes the standard in Greek theology. In the fourth century, St. Athanasius repeats Irenaeus almost word for word, and in the fifth century St Cyril of Alexandria says that we shall become sons 'by participation' (Greek methexis). Deification is the central idea in the spirituality of St. Maximus the Confessor, for whom the doctrine is the corollary of the Incarnation: 'Deification, briefly, is the encompassing and fulfillment of all times and ages,' ... and St. Symeon the New Theologian at the end of the tenth century writes, 'He who is God by nature converses with those whom he has made gods by grace, as a friend converses with his friends, face to face.' ...
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Christ was God (ho"Theos or Most High God Heb_1:8) before He walked as a man . Man can be god in this sense god = little g = judge or angel just like a preacher can be an angel (messenger).
From the Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible:
H430
אלהים
'ĕlôhı̂ym
el-o-heem'
Plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative: - angels, X exceeding, God (gods) (-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.
 
All Christian denominations accept that God became a man.
But most denominations today deny the teaching of scripture and Orthodox teaching of the early Christian church, that men "become gods".
Is it no wonder that Christians who follow particular teachers today look and behave like mere humans?: 1 Cor 3:4 "For when one says, “I follow Paul,” and another, “I follow Apollos,” are you not being merely human?"

Well, most. Certainly not all (who claim to be Christian denominations). :-)
While we can become like Jesus in many ways (in fact we are told to). But I think we have to draw the line somewhere before becoming "the 'G'od" of the universe.
One "Christian" denomination preaches this very thing. Jesus was once a mere man, who became a god. He got his own planet Earth, and got to be god over that.
Further, they teach that you too can become a god just like him, and rule over your own planet.

What was the sin of Satan?
Isa 14:14; 'I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.'
 
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Well, most. Certainly not all (who claim to be Christian denominations). :-)
While we can become like Jesus in many ways (in fact we are told to). But I think we have to draw the line somewhere before becoming "the 'G'od" of the universe.
One "Christian" denomination preaches this very thing. Jesus was once a mere man, who became a god. He got his own planet Earth, and got to be god over that.
Further, they teach that you too can become a god just like him, and rule over your own planet.

What was the sin of Satan?
Isa 14:14; 'I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.'

Yes. Satan wanted to make himself like God, of his own self-will, and be independent of God, and usurp God's rule over the universe.
This does not mean it is a sin to be like God - that is the destiny of all Christians.
But we do not become like God as individuals, only as a group, a body, a bride, a church. In fact certain bible translations capitalize Church to indicate it is something of God and in God. This rules out any false doctrines such as each person ruling over their own planet.
And we do not become like God independently of Christ. We are only like God as much as we are "in Christ". There will never be a point in time when we become so perfect or god-like, that we don't need Christ anymore. It is only because of Christ, that we are like Him in the first place.
 
We only perfectly like JESUS in our Spirit man .after the New birth. Our flesh mind and body is not perfectly in His likeness ever.

The flesh mind is full of lies and untruth .It has so much junk in it. We hardly can help it. We record junk all the time?
The flesh body is born with a sin nature and dies with it.

Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Gal_4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,

Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing:

Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

We Hate Sin !
 
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