The Father

[B-A-C]

It's interesting, I attended a Church a while back and the sermon was called "Jesus plus".
The summary of the sermon was.. "Jesus plus anything is wrong", Jesus is all you need.

This is false doctrine.

Is Jesus plus the Father wrong? Is Jesus plus the Holy Spirit wrong? Is Jesus the destination?

In John 14:6; Jesus says He is the truth, the life and the way. The way? The way to what?
The second half of that verse says... No one comes to the Father... except through me.
Jesus is the way to the Father.

When the disciples asked Jesus to teach them how to pray, he started off like this.
Matt 6:9; Pray then, in this way: "Our Father who is in heaven, Hallowed be your name.
Why did Jesus teach them to pray to the Father?

Some 'Christian' denominations have men who are to be referred to as 'father'. Father Jerome or Father Benedict
for example. Yet the Bible says we only have one spiritual father, and we should call no earthly man father in a
spiritual sense. ( Matt 23:9; )

How we live should be a reflection of the Father. Matt 5:16;
this should glorify the Father who is in heaven.

Matt 5:44-45 says to love our enemies and pray for those who persecute us... so that you may be sons of the Father.

Matt 5:48 says we should be perfect as our heavenly Father is perfect.

Matt 6:14; says if we forgive others.. your heavenly Father will forgive us.
The next verse goes on to say.. if we do not forgive.. neither will the Father forgive us.

An often debated verse here on TJ is Matt 7:21;
If says not everyone who calls Jesus Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven. It says those who do the will of the Father
who is in heaven will enter.

Jesus said in Matt 10"32-33; that if we deny Him, He will deny us before the Father.
If we confess Him before men, He will confess us before the Father.
Titus 1:16; says some profess to know Him, but deny Him by their deeds.

Jesus will reign over the earth for a thousand years. He will conquer all of His enemies...
but then what happens?
1 Cor 15:24; then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power.
25: For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet.
26: The last enemy that will be abolished is death.
Verse 28 goes on to say.. the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him...

In John 5:19; Jesus says he can nothing of himself, unless it is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does.

In John 8:28; Jesus says I do nothing on My own initiative, but I speak these things as the Father taught me.

Usually we humans have marks of our fathers... often we look like them, sometimes we sound like them.
We may have the same color eyes, or same color hair. If we grew up with them, perhaps we even act like them,
and say some the phrases and sayings they used. I've heard the phrase "He is his fathers son" or "He looks just like his father" many times....

Who is your Father is heaven? Do you have any evidence of it? Do you act like Him?

John 8:54; Jesus answered, "If I glorify Myself, My glory is nothing; it is My Father who glorifies Me, of whom you say, 'He is our God';

.. there is much more to say about this...

 

[B-A-C]

We can for things in prayer... in Jesus' name.. but the prayers are answered by the Father.

Matt 18:19; "Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by my Father who is in heaven.

In Matt 21:28-32; Jesus tells the story of two sons... he concludes the parable with a question.
"Which of the two sons did the will of the his father?"

For those of us who believe in a rapture and/or second coming... Jesus says even He doesn't know when this will happen.
but the Father alone knows. ( Matt 24:36; Mark 13:32; )

We are "Christians". Which comes the word Christ, we are to follow Jesus. But who did Jesus follow?

In Luke 6:36; we are told to be merciful... as our Father is merciful.

If we think about it.. one of the reasons Jesus came to earth was to reveal the Father to us. ( Luke 10:21-22; )
The other place the story of the disciples asking Jesus to teach them to pray is located at Luke 11:2;
Just like Matt 6:9; it starts off ...
Luke 11:2; And He said to them, "When you pray, say: 'Father, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come,

It seems some pray to angels, or dead saints, or someone else. But I have yet to see any Bible verses supporting this.
If we can pray directly to God, why would we want to pray to anyone else? Who could be more Holy? Who could be more powerful?
Who could love us more?

What is the first and greatest commandment? ( Mark 12:30-33; Luke 10:27; )

.... there is more to say, but I'm out of time right now.

 

[B-A-C]

As I stated in the first post... Jesus is the way.. the way to the Father.

Jesus is also the mediator between man and the Father.
1 Tim 2:5; says there is only ONE mediator between God and man.... Jesus.
There is no other mediator. Any other doctrine that claims any other mediator is a false doctrine... period.

Gal 3:20; says a mediator has to mediate between at least two different parties. But only is only one party.. (man is the other party).
Because of this Jesus is the mediator of the new covenant... So who is the covenant between? Is it between us and Jesus...
Or is Jesus the covenant between the Father and man. Jesus is the guaranteer of this covenant. ( Heb 7:22; )

So Jesus is the 'ONLY' mediator between the Father and man.
and Jesus is the guaranteer by His blood of the covenant between the Father and man.
So is the way to the Father ( John 14:6; )

Jesus said there will come a day when we can talk directly to the Father.
John 16:23; Jesus says we can ask the Father is His name (Jesus' name)
In verse 25 Jesus says He has been speaking in figurative language, then He says I will no longer speak to you in figurative language.
"I will tell you plainly of the Father"
In verse 26 Jesus says... you will ask in My name, but I do not say to you that I will request to the Father on your behalf....

wow.. why wouldn't Jesus request anything to the Father on our behalf?
verse 27 has the answer...

for the Father himself loves you, because you have loved Me and have believed that I came from the Father.
as children of God we can talk directly to the Father.

In verse 29.. the disciples suddenly get it. "Now you are speaking to us plainly and not using a figure of speech".

Jesus said if we have seen Him, we have seen the Father. The only the Father could have been really revealed to us
was by a Son. Can anyone know a Father like a son? The leaders of Israel tried, the prophets of the old testament tried,
the judges and kings of the old testament tried... but it isn't until we know Jesus that we know the Father.
When we know the character of Jesus we know the character of the Father.

Jesus showed us the Father in a way that only He could.

 

[B-A-C]

One of the beatitudes in Matt 5:9; says the peacemakers shall be called the sons of God.

In Romans 9:24-27; it says now the Gentiles can be "called sons of the living God".

In Rom 8:15; Rom 8:23; Gal 4:5; and Eph 1:5; it says we can receive adoptions as sons. Rom 8:15; actually uses the word "Abba" which
is much like how we would say "daddy".

 

[Brother-Paul]

It's interesting, I attended a Church a while back and the sermon was called "Jesus plus".
The summary of the sermon was.. "Jesus plus anything is wrong", Jesus is all you need.

Jesus is the Way to all we need and all we need comes from God through Jesus Christ our Lord

John 1:16-17 (KJV)
16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

2 Corinthians 12:9 (KJV)
9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

1 Timothy 1:2 (KJV)
2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

[B-A-C]

Jesus is the Way to all we need and all we need comes from God through Jesus Christ our Lord

So the Holy Spirit doesn't/can't help us at all?

 

[Brother-Paul]

Of course B-A-C

I didn't realise we needed the Apha to Omega in the above comment :thumbsup:

 

[B-A-C]

James 1:17; says good and perfect gift comes down from above, coming down from the Father of lights...

In Matt 6:9-13; we see the Lord's prayer. (verse 8 says the Father knows what we need before we even ask).
But the thing about this prayer.. is who we pray to... Jesus doesn't teach them anything like...

When you pray.. say Jesus.. please ask the Father ...
When you pray.. say Mary.. please ask the Father ...
When you pray ...say (any saints name) .. please ask the Father....

No Jesus says when you pray, pray this way... Our Father who art in heaven...

I am reminded of a couple of college kids having a lovers spat... they had a common friend between them.
The conversation went something like this... (the names have been changed)

Mary: Peter, tell James over there that I am not speaking to him. (of course James can hear this)
Peter: James, Mary says to tell you that she isn't speaking to you.
James: That's OK, tell Mary that I'm not speaking to her either (of course Mary can hear this)
Peter: Mary, James says to tell you he isn't speaking to you.
For the next hour or so the conversation continues like this until finally....
Mary: If James has something to say to me... he can say it to my face.

That's the thing... we don't need anyone to tell the Father anything for us... we can tell/ask Him ourselves.

Jesus always points to the father...
John 8:28; So Jesus said, "When you lift up the Son of man, then you will know that I am He, and I do nothing on My own
initiative, but I speak these things as the Father taught Me.

Rom 8:15;
For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons
by which we cry out, "Abba! Father!"

Abba.. is much like saying "Daddy".. Paul is saying we can cry out to Daddy God. (we don't have to go through anyone else)

Even when we are disciplined... we aren't disciplined by Jesus, we are disciplined by the Father.
Heb 12:7; It is for discipline that you endure; God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom his father does
not discipline.

It is the Father who gives us the things we need, .... (every good and perfect gift comes from.. )
Luke 11:11-13; Now suppose one of you fathers is asked by his son for a fish, he will not give him a snake instead of a fish, will he?
Or if he is asked for an egg, he will not give him a scorpion, will he? If you then, being evil know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?

 

[B-A-C]

I didn't realise we needed the Apha to Omega in the above comment :thumbsup:

In Rev 1:8; Jesus is the alpha and the omega
In Rev 21:6; God the Father is the alpha and omega

Both are the alpha and omega... but the Son isn't the Father, and the Father isn't the Son, and neither is the Holy Spirit.

 

[Brother-Paul]

In Rev 1:8; Jesus is the alpha and the omega
In Rev 21:6; God the Father is the alpha and omega

Both are the alpha and omega... but the Son isn't the Father, and the Father isn't the Son, and neither is the Holy Spirit.

Nice one B-A-C

Although I didn't mean the statement literally above you have covered the subject nicely :thumbsup:

 

[Curtis]

Jesus is the Way to all we need and all we need comes from God through Jesus Christ our Lord

John 1:16-17 (KJV)
16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

2 Corinthians 12:9 (KJV)
9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

1 Timothy 1:2 (KJV)
2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.

It appears if you the have Son, you also have the Father. Can't have one member of the Godhead without having the other two.

1Jn 2:23 No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also.

 

[B-A-C]

Can't have one member of the Godhead without having the other two.

It's interesting that not one single person in the Bible received the Holy Spirit when they started believing.
John the Baptist had the Holy Spirit from his mother's womb... but for everyone else...

The disciple were believers with Jesus for 3 years.. yet they didn't receive the Holy Spirit until the day of Pentecost
(after Jesus ascended back to heaven). In fact no one could receive the Holy Spirit until Jesus ascended.
In John 16:7; Jesus says He (the Holy Spirit) can't come until He went away.
In John 7:39; it says the Holy Spirit was not yet given to most people.. because Jesus was not yet Glorified.

So many people believe that as soon as Jesus was glorified everyone immediately received the Holy Spirit.
Yet... it wasn't until Acts chapter 2 that most of Jesus' followers (including Mary and the disciples) received
the Holy Spirit.

In Acts 10:1; we see Cornelius.... verse 2 says he was a devout man who feared God and prayed continually.
Yet we have to jump down 42 more verses to verse 44... that's when Cornelius and his friends received the Holy Spirit.

In Acts 19:1; it says Paul found some disciples in Ephesus. he asks them if they had the Holy Spirit..
They say.. we didn't even know there was a Holy Spirit... these were people already baptized into John's Baptism (repentance).
We jump down to verse 7, and then they finally receive the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit doesn't come automatically... we have to invite Him. We need to ask for Him. ( Luke 11:13; )

 

[B-A-C]

Is Jesus and the Father are one (they are in many ways, but not everything).
For example... when is Jesus' second coming? The Father knows... but Jesus doesn't.
Jesus died, but the Father didn't.

In Luke 12:10; Jesus says speaking words against the Son of Man (Jesus) can be forgiven.
But He says blaspheming the Holy Spirit is not forgiven. Some things are different.

 

[Curtis]

It's interesting that not one single person in the Bible received the Holy Spirit when they started believing.
John the Baptist had the Holy Spirit from his mother's womb... but for everyone else...

The disciple were believers with Jesus for 3 years.. yet they didn't receive the Holy Spirit until the day of Pentecost
(after Jesus ascended back to heaven). In fact no one could receive the Holy Spirit until Jesus ascended.
In John 16:7; Jesus says He (the Holy Spirit) can't come until He went away.
In John 7:39; it says the Holy Spirit was not yet given to most people.. because Jesus was not yet Glorified.

So many people believe that as soon as Jesus was glorified everyone immediately received the Holy Spirit.
Yet... it wasn't until Acts chapter 2 that most of Jesus' followers (including Mary and the disciples) received
the Holy Spirit.

In Acts 10:1; we see Cornelius.... verse 2 says he was a devout man who feared God and prayed continually.
Yet we have to jump down 42 more verses to verse 44... that's when Cornelius and his friends received the Holy Spirit.

In Acts 19:1; it says Paul found some disciples in Ephesus. he asks them if they had the Holy Spirit..
They say.. we didn't even know there was a Holy Spirit... these were people already baptized into John's Baptism (repentance).
We jump down to verse 7, and then they finally receive the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit doesn't come automatically... we have to invite Him. We need to ask for Him. ( Luke 11:13; )

I agree with what you are saying. John had the Holy Spirit from birth, but we can see later on the Holy Spirit must have left John when had finished his work, by the fact he began to have doubts whither Jesus really was the Christ while in prison. He sent his disciples to ask Jesus if he really was the one, or should they look for another.

Can a person become born again with out the help of the Holy Spirit? I think the Spirit of God along with the Word is what causes the new birth, very similar to how Mary became pregnant. "The Holy Spirit shall come upon you and you shall conceive....", and this could only happen because Mary had said, "be it done unto me according to your word....."

1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

So, no one could have been saved until Jesus was Glorified, by sending the Holy Spirit which is one of the agents for salvation.
It is one thing to be born of the Spirit of God, and it's another to be "filled" with the Spirit of God.

 

[Curtis]

Is Jesus and the Father are one (they are in many ways, but not everything).
For example... when is Jesus' second coming? The Father knows... but Jesus doesn't.
Jesus died, but the Father didn't.

In Luke 12:10; Jesus says speaking words against the Son of Man (Jesus) can be forgiven.
But He says blaspheming the Holy Spirit is not forgiven. Some things are different.

I think if we understand as we already know, that Jesus was 100% man, and 100% God. It was the 100% man part that did not know when the second coming was going to happen, but within his divine nature where his Father was dwelling knew all things. Jesus's human nature grew in Wisdom and stature, but his divine nature knew every thing.

 

[Dovegiven]

I think if we understand as we already know, that Jesus was 100% man, and 100% God. It was the 100% man part that did not know when the second coming was going to happen, but within his divine nature where his Father was dwelling knew all things. Jesus's human nature grew in Wisdom and stature, but his divine nature knew every thing.

John 14:21-26 (KJV)
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Yet, we find Jesus to be in Heaven next to God, at his right hand. 1 Peter 3:21-22 (KJV)
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

God the Father, and God the Son are holy Persons who occupy their throne, having sent the Holy Spirit, the third holy Person to dwell here in believers, manifesting the Father and the Son in us. We are a walking temple for the Holy Spirit.
Since the Father sent the Holy Spirit, he is no longer in Heaven, but resides here, representing the whole triune Godhead for our benefit, while Jesus is done for now a minister of the Godhead bodily on earth. He will return to continue that role.

 

[Curtis]

John 14:21-26 (KJV)
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Yet, we find Jesus to be in Heaven next to God, at his right hand. 1 Peter 3:21-22 (KJV)
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

God the Father, and God the Son are holy Persons who occupy their throne, having sent the Holy Spirit, the third holy Person to dwell here in believers, manifesting the Father and the Son in us. We are a walking temple for the Holy Spirit.
Since the Father sent the Holy Spirit, he is no longer in Heaven, but resides here, representing the whole triune Godhead for our benefit, while Jesus is done for now a minister of the Godhead bodily on earth. He will return to continue that role.

Brother, is it possible for the Holy Spirit who is a part of the Godhead, be here on earth and not on his throne along with the other two persons of the God head? Even God the Father was sitting on his throne in Heaven while Jesus was on earth, yet Jesus claims that it was his father dwelling within him who doing the works that flowed from Jesus. How can that be? It is Gods Glory that makes that possible. There is no place where he is not. The Church is not only living in physical bodies here on, yet at the same time we are also sitting on the right hand of God in Christ. How can that be? Because Jesus Christ gave us his Glory so that we to can be one with God. In him we live, move and have our being. There is no where God can go without taking us with him since we live in him. There is no where we can go without taking God with us as he lives inside us. Did not Jesus say that me and my Father will unto you, and make our abode with you? How can that be if they are both in Heaven?

2Co 13:5 Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Or do you not realize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you fail to meet the test!

Gal 4:6 And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, "Abba! Father!"

 

[Dovegiven]

Brother, is it possible for the Holy Spirit who is a part of the Godhead, be here on earth and not on his throne along with the other two persons of the God head? Even God the Father was sitting on his throne in Heaven while Jesus was on earth, yet Jesus claims that it was his father dwelling within him who doing the works that flowed from Jesus. How can that be? It is Gods Glory that makes that possible. There is no place where he is not. The Church is not only living in physical bodies here on, yet at the same time we are also sitting on the right hand of God in Christ. How can that be? Because Jesus Christ gave us his Glory so that we to can be one with God. In him we live, move and have our being. There is no where God can go without taking us with him since we live in him. There is no where we can go without taking God with us as he lives inside us. Did not Jesus say that me and my Father will unto you, and make our abode with you? How can that be if they are both in Heaven?

2Co 13:5 Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Or do you not realize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you fail to meet the test!

Gal 4:6 And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, "Abba! Father!"

Please review the scriptures I posted. The Father sent Jesus, Jesus returned to the Father, stayed there, then the Father sent the Holy Spirit. Their beings, what the angels see on the throne, have substance. The Father is described, so is Jesus arrayed as King of Kings, Lord of Lords in Revelation 1. What is sent to us now is spirit, unseen, a measure of the Holy Spirit. In that sense Jesus taught the Father was with him, and we learn both Jesus and the Father abide with us. That happens by representation of all three by the invisible Holy Spirit, who resides in us as himself, "as" Jesus, and "as" the Father.

I was a federal officer (retired), the badge I wore representing the U.S. government. Of course the physical congregation of any government people were not in the badge or in me, but there were pertinent officials and laws represented by me, holding a measure of authority, not all authority.

When Jesus was baptized, the voice from heaven was heard, God being pleased with his Son. If the Father was literally inside Jesus in all his capacity, then why didn't that voice issue from Jesus' mouth?

Again, if the Father's entire being was in Jesus, why did he have to ascend to the Father? John 20:17 (KJV)
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

From such scriptures, like Jesus teaching us to pray to the Father in his name, not teaching to pray to him or any other being, I am certain that two of the godhead are not present in me in their entire being. The Holy Spirit was sent here. To be sent anywhere required someone staying put, sending. Both Jesus and the Father stayed in Heaven to this day. We learn from scriptures there is a host of heavenly beings surrounding God in Heaven, beholding his glory. If that glory was inside you, you would be consumed, Moses being prevented from approaching too close, seeing his face. We have a measure of faith, not the whole dose of faith God can possess.
Romans 12:3 (KJV) For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

Compare that to John 3:34-35 (KJV)
34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.

certifyng that Jesus alone had fullness of the Spirit, while we have a measure of the Spirit as in a seal on a letter guarding the contents, and grace, and of faith. Jesus was never confounded concerning his faith, but men struggle with that, constantly reaching toward the perfection of the fullness of Christ. If the Godhead were totally present in us, we would be limitless and incapable of failure, having no need of being perfected. Even Jesus was apart from the Father until ascending to him, but having the full measure of the Spirit put him far above any mortal man.

Let's seal it with three witnesses, one more passage, being the balance of Eph 4, explaining our "measure". I'll let you look that up.

 

[B-A-C]

Matt 26:39; And He went a little beyond them, and fell on His face and prayed, saying, "My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; yet not as I will, but as You will."

Jesus and the Father are one in purpose, they are one in will. But Jesus (as a human man) had to submit His
will to the Father.... not MY will (emphasis mine).. but YOUR will be done. It wasn't Jesus' will to die a painful
death on the cross, but it did it out of love for us, and out of obedience to the Father.

Php 2:8; Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.

Even Jesus had to be obedient to the Father... (even to the point of death!)

 

[Curtis]

When Jesus was baptized, the voice from heaven was heard, God being pleased with his Son. If the Father was literally inside Jesus in all his capacity, then why didn't that voice issue from Jesus' mouth?

Again, if the Father's entire being was in Jesus, why did he have to ascend to the Father? John 20:17 (KJV)
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Brother if we try to understand how God is using our human mind we will miss out, It is with the "heart" man believes unto righteousness, not his brain.
Not only was God the Father sitting on his throne in Heaven, at the same time he was also dwelling inside His Son Jesus Christ. Remember Jesus said, the Father dwells in me and I dwell within my father"

Joh 14:10 Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.

Do not forget not only was Jesus God, he was also a man. The man Jesus who was the Christ was raised up to his Father, but the divine nature in Jesus was already there.
Is it to hard to believe that God the Father could speak confirming his Son at his baptism from his throne while sitll dwelling with in his Son?
If we do not believe this, how can we believe that not only are we his Church living here on the earth, yet at the same time we are sitting on the right hand of God in Christ? You can not!

Eph 2:4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy,
Eph 2:5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions--it is by grace you have been saved.
Eph 2:6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,

You can not experience anything beyond what you believe in God's Word. If the Word says we are sitting in Heavenly places in Christ, then it would very wise to believe it, even though your physical mind does not.