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The Fallen Angels Have Returned In The Flesh (The Rap-ture)

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They have arrived, Angels in the flesh, this will show you what Christian rappers are confessing about themselves and warning about with biblical verses added to validate and the importance to not only live in righteousness but also with reaching out to lost souls everywhere you are and working with the power of the Holy Spirit to perform miracles and that this Is everyone’s calling in these end times we are in, We are Gods hand, feet and voice, watch the video before commenting opinions as it truly is undeniable.


Isaiah 13 “The LORD of Hosts musters an army for war, they come from the ends of the heavens, the weapons of his WRATH-to destroy the whole world”

Mathew 10:34 “Do not assume that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, But a sword”.

Mathew 24:37 “As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.”

Job 22:3 “Does it delight the Almighty that you are righteous? Does He profit if your ways are blameless?

 
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Isaiah 13:3 “I the LORD have dedicated these soldiers for the task to carry out my wrath-- those who rejoice in my triumph.”
 
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Isaiah is the prophesy of Babylon, Christ returns = “As it was in the days of Noah” The world has become like Babylon.
 
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Hello @TheReturn379
AWESOME!!!!!!!!! ALLELUIA!!!
Praise the Lord!

I'm not necessarily into Rap, but Christian Rap when used can be uplifting, and speak to a segment of a loss generation when other means are ineffectual and fall to the wayside.

I do have one issue. At the 10:00 mark, the slide that had the following in the opening/end.

Rather you don’t understand or dislike the arrival of the fallen angels in human form, it is by Gods Holiness that they are Holy!

At the end is this:

They are currently on your side as you were once unholy than made Holy by the Spirit of God, Most Christians focus on themselves and good works but not being a Souldier for Christ to enjoyably and confidently bring him souls to save, This should not be a burden or nervous act of Godliness but your greatest Joy, Its everyones calling as we are God's Hand, Voice & Feet!

My Question: The implication from this is that after the angles were fallen (rebelled against God), they have now become Holy. Clarification please and any Biblical support for this.

The following article covers a little of why I have issue with what was written, and so my question.


Otherwise, Brother this is awesome and really well done. I'll be sharing it once you can provide assistance with my above question.
With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
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P.S. I'm assuming you're a Brother in Christ Jesus and not a Sister! :shades: Apologies ahead of time if I'm incorrect.
 
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@Christ4Ever -- obviously you understand 'rap'' better than I do. Good question.
Dear Sister,
It comes from a little brother in Christ who I take to church on Wednesday nights for a few years now. He comes from an environment in which one will hear Rap. He's handicapped, physically, and can barely see, so very dependent upon those around him. I introduced him to Christian Rap, so that he could move away from the secular version that he was exposed to at home. :) Interesting time researching it and downloading some of it for him! :cool:

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
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Dear Sister,
It comes from a little brother in Christ who I take to church on Wednesday nights for a few years now. He comes from an environment in which one will hear Rap. He's handicapped, physically, and can barely see, so very dependent upon those around him. I introduced him to Christian Rap, so that he could move away from the secular version that he was exposed to at home. :smile: Interesting time researching it and downloading some of it for him! :shades:

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
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I would not stop anyone from praising Yahweh. Go for it. What I will caution everyone about is this; becoming a Christian is not about a feeling either physically or emotionally. That goes down the path of Gnosticism. If you dont know what that is then please investigate further than Wikipedia. Even I've been invited to post articles there. I don't trust the site for anything important.
 
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I would not stop anyone from praising Yahweh. Go for it. What I will caution everyone about is this; becoming a Christian is not about a feeling either physically or emotionally. That goes down the path of Gnosticism. If you dont know what that is then please investigate further than Wikipedia. Even I've been invited to post articles there. I don't trust the site for anything important.
Dear Mart,
As much as I appreciate the caution, which is rightly placed when one excludes the need to study and apply God's Word. I would not be so bold as to say that Christianity is not about feeling either physically or emotionally either. An example that readily comes to mind is David dancing before the Ark. For me personally it comes in my testimony when with tears running down my cheeks in joy, I was able to rejoice. The emotions I felt did not take away from my understanding of what was transpiring, or lead me down a dark path. Rather it allowed me to express what words at the moment could not.

There is much to caution about in these days, and I can't deny that Gnosticism seems to also be making a comeback, but I won't attribute it to solely emotions or physicality. One can readily read God's Word incorrectly and come to an incorrect understanding that can lead one to Gnostic beliefs. That doesn't mean that the fault is with God's Word and so the same for the proper placement for emotions and the physical.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts Mart.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
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My brother Nick,

As is so often the case, my intent to convey my subject sometimes exceeds my ability to communicate.

I wanted to isolate the idea that those who are chasing salvation and have been convinced there will be a feeling to prove they are saved when they get there are in error. For example, I waited in line to be baptised. I just knew Yahweh would bless me with this incredible feeling of being washed clean and "filled with the holy spirit." I felt nothing but wet. What a let down but, that is what I was taught.

To say there are no emotions with actual faith would be silly. When I'm in prayer or worship and all I can do is go face down before Him because of how I feel that is a powerful emotion.

Thank you for bringing this up.
 
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Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!
Psalm 133:1
 
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If a Christian is into rap and there are good Christian lyrics being spouted, dig it.
 
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My brother Nick,

As is so often the case, my intent to convey my subject sometimes exceeds my ability to communicate.

I wanted to isolate the idea that those who are chasing salvation and have been convinced there will be a feeling to prove they are saved when they get there are in error. For example, I waited in line to be baptised. I just knew Yahweh would bless me with this incredible feeling of being washed clean and "filled with the holy spirit." I felt nothing but wet. What a let down but, that is what I was taught.

To say there are no emotions with actual faith would be silly. When I'm in prayer or worship and all I can do is go face down before Him because of how I feel that is a powerful emotion.

Thank you for bringing this up.

Biblically -- baptism by immersion is to be showing Others the decision that has already been made in the person's heart. Upon a persons' salvation, the Holy Spirit has already come into the person's heart / baptism of the Holy Spirit.
physical baptism is the outward expression Of that for others to appreciate . And, yes, a person Can feel blessed by showing this to others. but -- in reality -- a person Is getting totally wet by being placed totally under water for a brief moment.

A lot of churches Do teach that it's part Of salvation -- and , depending on a person's background. Salvation and baptized by immersion is / can be a very emotional time in their lives.

And, maybe My personality is coming through here -- I'm Not an emotional person in public places. When I'm by myself -- I do tend to cry more now than before.

I don't feel comfortable 'raising holy hands or arms' in a church service. People Around me can, but I won't be. Just not my personality.
 
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I have been having this interesting conversation with many great and wonderful Christians for a number of years.

I have found that Trinitarian Christians are the main group who believe that FALLEN ANGELS are called SONS OF GOD in the bible.

But those who make this claim, to this being represented in the bible clearly and eternally FAIL to provide even a single verse in the entire OLD TESTAMENT that mentions anything whatsoever about - " FALLEN ANGELS "

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. There is not a single verse anywhere in the entire Old Testament that even hints to your narrative that angels fell from heaven before YAHOSHUA CAME TO EARTH.

It was Yahoshua himself, Here on earth - that witnessed - SATAN FALLING FROM HEAVEN.

Luk 10:18 And YAHOSHUA said unto them, " I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven "

When we go to the book of Revelation - we see that it is AFTER Yahoshua came to earth - THEN AND ONLY THEN - are the Angels being cast out and " FALLING FROM HEAVEN. "

In the ENTIRE - Old Testament - Satan and Spiritual being / ANGELS have simply left their first estate, And LEFT their OWN HABITATION in heaven and have chosen leave heaven - to come to earth and act as an adversary { to judge, tempt and entice } the humans on earth - that God has created. God would allow angels to tempt man and used angels for this purpose to lead evil people to even go further astray to expose their evil hearts to the servants of God. But, the angles wanted to also influence the hearts and minds of Gods servants and began a mission to corrupt all of man to prove to God that man was evil

As we see throughout the Old Testament that Satan and specific Angels are allowed by God to test individuals here on earth. As we see with Adam and Eve in the Garden and many other individuals throughout the Old Testament. The Angels and SATAN were never FALLEN or THROWN DOWN FROM HEAVEN IN THE OLD TESTAMENT. They left heaven and left their own habitation, Departing of their own free will.

Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

We see in the bible that Satan himself, LEFT heaven and chose to dwell on the earth because he wanted to rebel against God.

The New Testament shows precisely that - IT IS NOT UNTIL The Anointing / The Holy Spirit in Yahoshua came to earth - that we find that Satan then returned to the heavens and gather together a third of the angels and then made war against God - and then - Satan was THEN cast out of heaven forever. Before this, the Angels had left heaven in rebellion - but had not been cast out nor thrown down by God.
There were no fallen angels.

Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but LEFT THEIR OWN HABITATION, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

When Jesus came to earth - then - Satan attempted to return to heaven and make war against God in Heaven, seeing that he could not persuade, entice or tempt Jesus to submit to him or just commit suicide by various methods, and then at this very time - Satan made war in heaven against the faithful angels and God and he and his angels were cast out of heaven forever.
The scriptures seem to indicate that when the child, { Christ } was born, this is the exact time and specific point at which the war in heaven occurred.


If you read Revelation 12,
it is saying that the war happened because when Christ was born, then the Dragon / Satan began to attack the woman, Israel and her seed which was Christ.

:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. :5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. :6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. :7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, :8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven .

:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and
his angels were cast out with him.

:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

When Christ was born, then war broke out in heaven and then at this time Satan and his rebel angels were cast out of heaven - -
Satan was always roaming throughout the earth influencing and testing and attempting to be a judge, to test and to cast judgment upon man. Satan also was working to lead and pull mankind to the evilest and wicked place possible for humans to spiritually and physically be.

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, AND HIS ANGELS WERE CAST OUT WITH HIM.

We also see the fact that - - THE HEBREW WORD “
FALLEN “ - HAS A SIMILAR PRONUNCIATION OR SOUNDS SIMILAR TO THE HEBREW WORD " GIANT. " But - This has absolutely nothing to do with angels in the Old Testament. BECAUSE THE ANGELS DID NOT EVEN FALL OR BECOME THROWN DOWN TO EARTH UNTIL THE NEW TESTAMENT.

THIS IS A FACT. So the entire narrative has no meaning in the Bible = NEVER WILL A SINGLE VERSE IN THE ENTIRE BIBLE BE PROVIDED - TO EVEN COME CLOSE TO CONFIRM THIS DECEPTIVE FALSEHOOD.

SO WE SEE - there is a little difference between the Hebrew word " FALL " and the word " GIANT "

GIANT - - Nephyl - NEPHIL = NEPH EEL or ILL.

FALLEN - Naphal - NAPHAAL = NAPH AAL or ALL.

The reason that the
Hebrew words " GIANTS and the idea of “ FALLING " are so closely similar in sounding the same - is because when the giant was defeated their - FALLING DOWN - was so enormous and important to the part of defeating them . . It was obviously the fact that giants were mutants and had birth defects, Extra fingers and toes and enormous body parts. They were enormously disproportionally MIS SHAPED and ONCE THEY FELL DOWN - they could not get back up very quickly and ONCE FALLEN - the giant was able then to be defeated.

Giants are strong, they have the power to wield larger weapons and the strength to overpower smaller men, But they have weaknesses in their bones and cartilage in their back, hips, Legs and feet as they take on an enormous amount of weight. Once a giant has been injured in the lower body, they become slow and weaker and when they fall, they are rendered vulnerable as it takes them longer to get back on their feet. THE MAIN GOAL WAS TO FALL THE GIANT. / bring the giant to FALL down. Giants are also more easily knocked off balance and they suffer more injury when they fall because of the driving energy from the downward fall at a higher fall - when a giant FALLS it requires less force to disrupt the balance of a giant.

The bible makes mentions the distinction - in the way that David was able to defeat the giants in his day. The Bible does

2Sa 21:22 These four were born to the giant in Gath, And FELL by the hand of David, And by the hand of his servants.
1Ch 20:8 These were born unto the giant in Gath; and they FELL by the hand of David, And by the hand of his servants.

This is exactly how King David killed his first giant, He launched a stone into his head,
the giant fell down on his face and David simply grabbed a sword and hacked his huge head off.

So when we correctly translate Gen 6:4 - WE READ - :4 GIANTS - WERE IN THE LAND THE DAY OF THIS AND ALSO “
AFTER “ SO WHICH CAME SONS OF GOD TO DAUGHTERS OF MAN BEARING THEM THE MIGHTY MEN WHICH ALWAYS OF OLD WERE NAMED.

This Hebrew word "
AFTER " is - 'achar / Akh-ar' - Meaning = " AFTER THIS or Following that "

This word is used 715 total times in the Bible and ALWAYS means = " AFTER THIS – AFTER THAT or Following afterwards = " AFTERWARDS " - NEXT TO HAPPEN. .


WE CAN PROVE THIS FACT AND I have proven clearly that the Angels DID NOT FALL TO EARTH FROM HEAVEN UNTIL
AFTER THAT YAHOSHUA CAME TO EARTH.

If the giants were already in the earth in those days and / also " AFTER THIS - AFTER THAT or Following afterwards = " AFTERWARDS " - NEXT TO HAPPEN. .

Which came the sons of God to daughters of men, THEIR OFFSPRING BECAME MIGHTY MEN WHOSE NAMES WERE ALWAYS MENTIONED / NAMED. The GIANTS WERE ALREADY IN THE LAND - The verse does not say the opposite or reversal,

The verse does is not saying the opposite or reversal, To be saying that " WHEN THE SONS OF GOD CAME IN UNTO THE DAUGHTERS OF MEN AND ALSO AFTER THAT " THEN AFTER THAT " - THERE WERE GIANTS IN THE EARTH.

It says " There were giants in the earth in those days, And also after that " THEN after that when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men " - the mighty men were born. Their union or offspring - created mighty men which from always men named.

They became known to be called as mighty men because they faced the PROBLEM concerning the subject - LISTED - BEING - the sons of God - were faced with the problem and undertaking of dealing with and FALLING THE making them fall - AND KILLING THEM. The fact that the Angels had never fallen from heaven until the New Testament age, does not this fact alone prove beyond any doubt that this claim is completely false. ?
 
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THIS IS A FACT. So the entire narrative has no meaning in the Bible = NEVER WILL A SINGLE VERSE IN THE ENTIRE BIBLE BE PROVIDED - TO EVEN COME CLOSE TO CONFIRM THIS DECEPTIVE FALSEHOOD.
Is is it fact just because you say so?

WE CAN PROVE THIS FACT AND I have proven clearly that the Angels DID NOT FALL TO EARTH FROM HEAVEN UNTIL AFTER THAT YAHOSHUA CAME TO EARTH.
It would be great if you do this with scripture. Otherwise... it is NOT a fact.
 
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Of course not,

I am nothing, just a simple person who believes the bible and upholds the original manuscripts. I had to study for many hours just to verify the facts concerning exactly what the bible says and does not say about this. I would not be able to find truth without fully submitting to the holy spirit inspired word of God, putting my personal feelings and self will aside and receive the message exactly as in the bible.

When we read the bible we find that it was not until Yahoshua came to earth, that the angels are thrown out of heaven. The concept and idea of " FALLEN ANGELS " do not exist in the Old Testament.

Satan and all angels were not fallen from heaven until we get to the book of Revelation - where it describes the reason they were thrown out and how and why. It explains the war in heaven - as Satan gathered a third of heaven and made war against the other angels and did so - because Satan was upset and enraged over the fact that Yahoshua had come to earth. As satan tried everything he could do to destroy the plan of Yahoshua .

If you read Revelation 12, it is saying that the war happened because when The Anointing " THE HOLY SPIRIT " was conceived / was born as Yahoshua - THEN - the Dragon / Satan began to attack the woman, Israel and her seed which was Christ.

:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. :5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. 7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, :8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven .

:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

In fact there are no fallen angels in the Old Testament and no angels are cast out of heaven until the New Testament. This is simply a Trinitarian pre conceived church doctrine that was inserted into the Trinitarian organization hundreds of years before they even translated the bible into any other language except Latin.

Many alternative ideas and narratives can be inserted into a book that an organization has done nothing - but write articles, documentary, publications and thesis about this book while waiting for nearly 2000 years before they actually translate the book - And simultaneously - banning, outlawing, prohibiting and making illegal the translation of the book for nearly 2000 years, under the punishment of the death penalty and severe torture -
while doing nothing " nothing " but writing personal publications and articles about the book - instead of actually translating it .

It is the heartbeat, thrill and driving factor of the love - to insert, add and change the translation and tack on many, many pre conceived faiths and narratives - this is why the book is a best seller. Before the book was translated in the 15 th century. - interweaving many key specific doctrinals and theologies into a book that is denied translation for nearly 2000 years. - the purpose and driving the love of the translation is all wholly and exclusively about everything that has been changed, altered and added into the narratives.

The word heretik took on a completely different meaning for nearly 2000 years, but today everything has been settled by the bood of the heretik or is it the blood of Jesus ?
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The bible indicates - that when Yahoshua stated in - Luk 10:18 And YAHOSHUA said unto them, " I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven " - this was a vision he was realizing or seeing - of the future war in heaven where the angels will fall,
 
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In fact there are no fallen angels in the Old Testament and no angels are cast out of heaven until the New Testament. This is simply a Trinitarian pre conceived church doctrine that was inserted into the Trinitarian organization hundreds of years before they even translated the bible into any other language except Latin.
Satan is in the old testament. In fact He had already rebelled and been cast out of heaven before Adam and Eve were tempted by him.
Satan also test Job. This story is also in the old testament.

Ezek 28:12; "Son of man, take up a lamentation over the king of Tyre and say to him, 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "You had the seal of perfection, Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
Ezek 28:13; "You were in Eden, the garden of God; Every precious stone was your covering: The ruby, the topaz and the diamond; The beryl, the onyx and the jasper; The lapis lazuli, the turquoise and the emerald; And the gold, the workmanship of your settings and sockets, Was in you. On the day that you were created They were prepared.
Ezek 28:14; "You were the anointed cherub who covers, And I placed you there. You were on the holy mountain of God; You walked in the midst of the stones of fire.
Ezek 28:15; "You were blameless in your ways From the day you were created Until unrighteousness was found in you.
Ezek 28:16; "By the abundance of your trade You were internally filled with violence, And you sinned; Therefore I have cast you as profane From the mountain of God. And I have destroyed you, O covering cherub, From the midst of the stones of fire.
Ezek 28:17; "Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty; You corrupted your wisdom by reason of your splendor. I cast you to the ground; I put you before kings, That they may see you.
Ezek 28:18; "By the multitude of your iniquities, In the unrighteousness of your trade You profaned your sanctuaries. Therefore I have brought fire from the midst of you; It has consumed you, And I have turned you to ashes on the earth In the eyes of all who see you.

The angel (cherub) that was in the garden was cast out of heaven in the old testament.

The fallen angels that rebelled in the OT, were bound in chains sometime before the new testament.

Jude 1:6; And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day,
Jude 1:7; just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.

Satan was/is the serpent in the garden of Eden. Rev 20:2;
 
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But the passages say nothing about God casting or throwing satan out of or down from heaven.

I see you mention a few verses in Ezek 28: - such as - 16; "By the abundance of your trade You were internally filled with violence, And you sinned; Therefore I have cast you as profane From the mountain of God. And I have destroyed you, O covering cherub, From the midst of the stones of fire.

But what is the " Holy Mountain " of the Lord ? - this is not in heaven. This is simply a spiritual concept concerning the holiness of Israel / Jerusalem and the plan God has for Zion.

Joe 2:1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my Holy Mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;

It is true that Satan had rebelled against God and was working against God's created mankind throughout the Old Testament. But what we do not see in all of the Old Testament - is Satan being prevented from returning back to heaven and in a state of being a " Fallen Angel " meaning thrown out/ thrown down - cast out of heaven.

So there are contradictions - not only in the King James Version but the Version of the passages that you give are also filled with great contradictions.

ONE TRANSLATION SAYS -

Ezek 28:18; " And I have turned you to ashes on the earth In the eyes of all who see you. - The Translation you posted.

THE OTHER TRANSLATION SAYS . -

Ezek 28:18; " And I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. - The KJV Translation.

So we have people coming along and INSERTING their own pre - conceived theories about the subject when the Bible does not show Satan being thrown out of heaven and FALLEN from heaven until the New Testament.

We see in the translation - - the narrative description that seems to indicate that God NOW, currently is KEEPING / holding sinful Angels in eternal bonds under darkness, held, imprisoned until - the judgment of the great day.

As the verse that was previously posted clearly says.

Jude 1:6; And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has KEPT in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day.

and we see in the - translation..... a narrative description that seems to indicate that the Sodomites were sexually immoral JUST AS the ANGELS also were, - the Translation uses the word - " STRANGE FLESH " to link this connection to indicate - what Trinitarians believe, what the Angels and the Sodomites had done - meaning = they both went after " STRANGE FLESH - sexually "

as we see in the - translation..... Jude 1:7; just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after " STRANGE FLESH “ are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.

And this can be verified - in a translation of - 2Pe 2:4 - For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment :5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, BRINGING IN THE FLOOD UPON THE WORLD OF THE UNGODLY;

But the Old Testament - there is no mention of fallen Angels, or imprisoned Angels and there is no mentioning of Angels being a part of God’s judgment at the time of the Noah’s flood.

Let’s look at the original manuscripts and see exactly what they say and what they DO NOT say. Why can we not take a look at these passages in the original Greek manuscripts and see what they actually say - is the translation of the Trinitarians saying exactly what the Greek texts are saying ?

Let’s start - in Jud 1: 6 - 7. What we see, is - a total and complete change from the ORIGINAL MESSAGE in what the translators have changed - from what the original manuscripts are clearly saying.

Jud 1:6

αγγελους THE ANGELS - τε ALSO - τους THAT - μη NEITHER - τηρησαντας KEPT - την THIS - εαυτων THEIR - αρχην BEGINNINGS - αλλα BUT - απολιποντας THEY LEFT - το THEIR - ιδιον OWN - οικητηριον HABITATION - εις TO - κρισιν JUDGMENT - μεγαλης A GREAT - ημερας DAY - δεσμοις BOUND - αιδιοις ETERNALLY - υπο UNDER - ζοφον DARKNESS - τετηρηκεν KEPT.

MEANING = Jud 1:6 THE ANGELS ALSO THAT NOT KEPT THIS THEIR BEGINNINGS BUT THEY LEFT THEIR OWN HABITATION TO JUDGMENT OF THE GREAT DAY BOUND ETERNALLY UNDER DARKNESS KEPT.

We see in the Trinitarian translation that the narrative that they add and insert into the passage is much different than the original manuscripts. Here, we notice that they have added the word - “ KEPT “ twice - they repeated the word “ KEPT “ to say God is currently KEEPING the Angels bound in chains. But the word “ KEPT “ is only used one single time in the passage. And the passage says absolutely nothing about God keeping the Angels - It does not say

“ he hath reserved / “ KEPT “ in everlasting chains. This narrative was added and inserted into the translation.

Trinitarian Translation - Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but LEFT THEIR OWN HABITATION, he hath reserved / “ KEPT “ in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

We see AGAIN - the Translation, again changes what the manuscripts say here in verse - : 7

- Jud 1:7

ως AS - σοδομα SODOM - και AND - γομορρα GOMORRHA - και AND - αι THAT περι CONCERNING / ABOUT - αυτας THEIR - πολεις CITIES - τον THIS IS - ομοιον SIMMILAR - τουτοις THEIR - τροπον MANNER - εκπορνευσασαι OUT OF FORNICATION - και AND - απελθουσαι TURNED AWAY - οπισω AFTER - σαρκος FLESH - ετερας IS ANOTHER - προκεινται SET FORWARD - δειγμα EXAMPLE - πυρος OF FIRE - αιωνιου ETERNAL - δικην JUSTICE - υπεχουσαι UNDER HOLDING.

MEANING =

AS SODOM AND GOMORRHA AND THAT CONCERNING / ABOUT THEIR CITIES, THIS IS SIMILAR THEIR MANNER OUT OF FORNICATION AND TURNING AWAY AFTER THE FLESH. IS ANOTHER SET FORWARD EXAMPLE OF FIRE ETERNAL JUSTICE UNDER HOLDING.

The ORIGINAL MANUSCRIPTS are very, very different what we see in the real bible message.

Trinitarian Translation - Jude 1:7; just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after STRANGE flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.

In fact, the translators have changed the Greek narrative that clearly states - AS SODOM AND GOMORRHA AND THAT CONCERNING / ABOUT THEIR CITIES THIS IS SIMMILAR, THEIR MANNER OUT OF FORNICATION AND TURNING AWAY AFTER THE FLESH

ετερας IS ANOTHER - προκεινται SET FORWARD - δειγμα EXAMPLE - πυρος OF FIRE - αιωνιου ETERNAL - δικην JUSTICE - υπεχουσαι UNDER HOLDING.

The manuscripts are in no way directly - comparing the downfall of the angels to the similar sins of SODOM AND GOMORRHA. But the translators are lying and they attempt to change, add and insert their own narrative, to give the message that the angels had sinned in fornication and sexual immorality, just as Sodom and Gomorrah

- and they CHANGE the Greek word " ετερας " and insert the word " STRANGE "

ετερας - IS ANOTHER - meaning " another or other " - they delete the word = ετερας - IS ANOTHER - and they insert and change the word to say ---

" they went after " STRANGE " flesh " what they are doing here is deleting a word, changing it - - then inventing a - RUN ON SENTENCE, into the passage.

But the word " STRANGE " is nowhere in the passage. THIS IS A TOTAL LIE.

This Greek word - ετερας - IS ANOTHER.

Heb 7:13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to ANOTHER tribe. - ετερας " - Another

Mat 6:24 and Luk 16:13 A man serving two masters: will love THE OTHER or despise THE OTHER..... - = - ετερας - OTHER

Mat 8:21 ANOTHER - disciples said unto him.
Mat 11:3 Are you the one or - do we look for " ANOTHER - ετερας "
Mat 15:30 Yahoshua healed - many " OTHERS - ετερας "
Mat 16:14 Are you John the Baptist: or - " ANOTHER - ετερας "
Mar 16:12 Yahoshua appeared in " ANOTHER - ετερας " form / morph.
Luk 3:18 John preached many OTHER THINGS.
Luk 4:43 I must Preach to " OTHER - ετερας " cities.
Luk 5:7 The were in the " OTHERS - ετερας " ship.
Luk 6:6 Upon " ANOTHER - ετερας " Sabbath
Luk 8:3 and many " OTHERS - ετερας "
Luk 9:56 They went to " ANOTHER - ετερας " village.
Luk 9:59 He said unto ANOTHER. - Luk 9:61 And ANOTHER also said.
Luk 10:1 The Lord appointed OTHERS - Luk 11:16 He was tempted by OTHERS.
Luk 11:26 Seven OTHER spirits. -

Luk 14: 19 + 20 and Luk 16:7 - He said to ANOTHER.
Luk 14:31 War against ANOTHER king.
Luk 16:18 Whoever puts away a wife, and marries ANOTHER.
Luk 17:35 Two women - one taken, and the OTHER left behind.
Luk 17:36 Two men - one taken, and the OTHER left behind.
Luk 18:10 The OTHER was a publican.
Luk 19:20 And ANOTHER came.
Luk 20:11 He sent ANOTHER servant:
Luk 22:65 Many OTHER things
Luk 23:32 Also two OTHERS.
Luk 23:40 The OTHERS answered.

In fact, this Greek word never changes anywhere in its meaning – this goes on through the entire bible. The Greek word = ετερας - OTHER - appears in the manuscripts - a total of " 99 " times.

And out of the TOTAL " 99 " total times - the translators every SINGLE LAST TIME without a single exception - they translate this same exact word, every time, to say " ANOTHER " BUT EXCEPT FOR - IN ONE SINGLE VERSE, here in - Jude 1:7

ONE SINGLE TIME, IN THE ENTIRE BIBLE TRANSLATION -
They delete the word " Another " and they change and alter it to say " STRANGE " inserting / adding in - the word " strange " But the passage had just ended the sentence - STATING exactly - AS THESE CITIES, THIS IS SIMILAR THEIR MANNER OUT OF FORNICATION AND TURNING AWAY AFTER THE FLESH ....

That's it - end of the manuscript narrative - then the passage moves on to next say .....

ετερας IS ANOTHER - προκεινται SET BEFORE - δειγμα EXAMPLE - πυρος OF FIRE - αιωνιου ETERNAL - δικην JUSTICE - υπεχουσαι UNDER HELD.

The Translators are changing and altering the passage - and we can see exactly what they have done, here is the Trinitarian altered narrative.

Trinitarian translation - Jude 1:7; just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.

But the original message simply says SODOM AND GOMORRHA AND THAT CONCERNING / ABOUT THEIR CITIES THIS IS SIMILAR THEIR MANNER FROM FORNICATION AND TURNING AWAY AFTER THE FLESH IS ANOTHER SET BEFORE EXAMPLE OF FIRE ETERNAL JUSTICE UNDER HELD.

The translators go through the entire bible masking the original message - to insert and interweave and inject a pre – conceived narrative that they INSERT and ADD into the storyline.

we can know that before the New Testament - there were no FALLEN angels who were cast out of heaven, nor were the Angels held in containment prison or bound in chains. We can clearly see that in the Old Testament that Satan and Angelic Spirits are in the earth, they have not rebelled against God directly and have not made war against God and have not FALLEN FROM HEAVEN - they have not been THROWN OUT OF HEAVEN. The New Testament shows precisely that - IT IS NOT UNTIL The Anointing / The Holy Spirit, in the form of Yahoshua came to earth - that we find that Satan then returned up again to heaven and GATHERING TOGETHER A THIRD OF THE ANGELS FROM HEAVEN - and then made war against God IN HEAVEN - and - Satan was THEN cast out of heaven forever. Then, they were FALLEN, ANGELS.

Before this, the Angels had left heaven and returned back to heaven whenever allowed - back and forth - and throughout the earth roaming free and had not been cast out nor thrown down by God . There were no fallen angels. Thes phrase does not exist anywhere in the bible. The scriptures clearly show that when AFTER the child, { Christ } was born, this is the exact time and specific point at which the war in heaven began.

If you read Revelation 12, it is saying that the war happened because when Christ was born, then the Dragon / Satan began to attack the woman, Israel and her seed which was Christ.

:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: ( FROM OUT OF HEAVEN } and the dragon { SATAN } stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. :5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. :6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. :7 AND THERE WAS WAR IN HEAVEN: MICHAEL AND HIS ANGELS FOUGHT AGAINST THE DRAGON; AND THE DRAGON FOUGHT AND HIS ANGELS, :8 AND PREVAILED NOT; NEITHER WAS THEIR PLACE FOUND ANY MORE IN HEAVEN.

:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

There is not a single verse anywhere in the entire Old Testament that even hints to a narrative that angels fell NOR WERE THROWN OUT from heaven - before YAHOSHUA CAME TO EARTH.

IT WAS - Yahoshua himself, Here on earth - that witnessed - SATAN FALLING FROM HEAVEN.

Luk 10:18 And YAHOSHUA said unto them, " I BEHELD SATAN AS LIGHTNING FALL FROM HEAVEN "

When we go to the book of Revelation - we see that it is AFTER Yahoshua came to earth - THEN AND ONLY THEN - are the Angels are cast out and " FALLING FROM HEAVEN. "

Before this, there is not a single passage in the Old Testament that even suggests that a single angel had FALLEN - the idea defining a “ FALLEN ANGEL “ does not appear anywhere in the entire bible until the New Testament. Trinitarians have to literally change, alter, remove and delete words from the bible - just to teach their claims that are in fact in contradiction to the entire bible. AGAIN - when we look at the manuscripts describing the future punishment of Angels, we see that God has not yet imprisoned or chained or bound any of the Angels.

Let’s take a look at exactly what 2Pe 2:4 is saying and look at the complete narrative of what the verse is saying, instead of relying upon the Trinitarian changes that have been inserted into the text.

WHAT DOES THE VERSE ACTUALLY SAY - AND WHAT DO THE FOLLOWING VERSES ALSO SAY.

2Pe 2:4

ει IF - γαρ FOR - ο THE - θεος GOD - αγγελων OF ANGELS - αμαρτησαντων WHO SINNED ουκ NOT - εφεισατο ARE SPARED - αλλα BUT - σειραις CHAINED - ζοφου IN BLACKNESS - ταρταρωσας CAST DOWN TO HELL - παρεδωκεν DELIVERED - εις TO - κρισιν THE JUDGMENT - τετηρημενους TO BE DETAINED.

MEANING = FOR THE GOD OF ANGELS WHO SINNED, NOT ARE SPARED BUT CHAINED IN BLACKNESS CAST DOWN TO HELL DELIVERED TO THE JUDGMENT TO BE DETAINED.

But at the very the time that when Peter wrote this scripture, God had not placed any of the Angels in prison, God has not imprisoned or bound or contained any of the Angels, the verse in - 2Pe 2:4 is telling us what God has planned and reserved for the Angels, In the future. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A PAST EVENT.

THE ANGELS WHO SINNED will be coming - TO - speaking of their future.
IN THE FUTURE

BUT - When we get to verse : 5 - here below / in the following verse - Peter specifically denotes and distinguishes that there is a difference between THE ANCIENT WORLD BEFORE THE FLOOD - and the COMING FUTURE JUDGMENT TO BE SOMEDAY APPOINTED FOR THE ANGELS. And Peter specifies, making it very, very clear to mention - that the JUDGMENT RESERVED FOR THE ANGELS - is not a part of - THE ANCIENT WORLD - BEFORE THE FLOOD EVENT.

Look at what Peter says here . . . . . 2Pe 2:5 και AND - αρχαιου THE ANCIENT - κοσμου WORLD - ουκ NOT - εφεισατο WAS SPARED - αλλ BUT - ογδοον EIGHT - νωε NOAH - δικαιοσυνης THE RIGHTEOUS - κηρυκα PREACHING - εφυλαξεν HE KEPT, - κατακλυσμον THE FLOODED - κοσμω WORLD - ασεβων OF UNGODLY - επαξας TO COME.

MEANING = AND THE ANCIENT WORLD NOT WAS SPARED BUT EIGHT, NOAH THE RIGHTEOUS PREACHING HE KEPT, THE FLOODED WORLD OF UNGODLY TO COME.

SO… Peter is explaining / telling of the judgment of the Angels that , the wicked, sinful Angels are - NOT TO BE SPARED and are to be punished. Then, Peter, next - GOES BACK IN TIME, by saying that OF “ THE ANCIENT WORLD - OF OLD “ - the wicked sinful people of world in the flood were not spared. MAKING A DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE FUTURE OF THE FALLEN ANGELS AND THE OLD ANCIENT WORLD OF THE PAST - before the flood. A clear distinction and difference between the OLD ANCIENT WORLD and the FUTURE day of judgment of the Angel’s judgments..

And the narrative continues. . . . . . But the judgment of the Angels, according to Peter - has nothing to do with - THE OLD ANCIENT WORLD - and Peter mentions that there is a difference…

We continue to see how the original describes

2Pe 2:6 - και AND - πολεις THE CITIES - σοδομων SODOOM - και AND - γομορρας GOMORRHA - τεφρωσας TURNED INTO ASHES - καταστροφη A CATASTROPHE - κατεκρινεν CONDEMNATION - υποδειγμα EXAMPLE - μελλοντων TO COME TO - ασεβειν THE UNGODLY - τεθεικως APPOINTED.

MEANING = AND THE CITIES SODOM AND GOMORRHA TURNED INTO ASHES A CATASTROPHE CONDEMNATION EXAMPLE TO COME TO THE UNGODLY APPOINTED.

This is how the Trinitarians attempt to convince people that - Angels are called “ Sons Of God “ in the translation. They completely alter passages giving an alternative rendering of many passages.

Trinitarians want to convince people that somehow, just because angels have fallen from heaven in the PRE FLOOD - Old Testament days - THIS CONDITION of the Angle being suddenly a “ FALLEN “ ANGEL - THROWN DOWN OUT OF HEAVEN - this, so - called “ FALLEN STATE OF BEING “ somehow - activates something sexually reproductive in them and gives the Angels the POWER, ability and CAPABILITY to mate with women and produce offspring with humans. WHY IS IT THAT SO - CALLED SINFUL ANGELS AFTER THE FLOOD “ today “ ARE NOT MATING WITH WOMEN AND PRODUCING MORE 9 foot GIANTS ? ?

But this entire narrative is not what the bible says. There are absolutely no fallen angels until Yahoshua.

Luk 10:18 YAHOSHUA said unto them, " I BEHELD SATAN AS LIGHTNING FALL FROM HEAVEN. “

Even this vision or premonition that Yahoshua had revealed to him was itself a future event that was to happened / to take place - after Yahoshua returned to sit in the fathers throne. The Translation was changed, words were added in, inserted and REARRANGED, to change the narrative of a pre – conceived teaching in the European Church that was a blend of the paganism that was already in the culture. The manuscripts to not say anything about God binding and placing Angels in bonds or sending them to hell or prison until the Great Judgment Day of the Angels.

The day of judgment is set - IN THE FUTURE - for the sinful, rebellious Angels is detailed in the book of Revelation and other passages - Before this, there is absolutely NO PREVIOUS MENTION OF THIS - in the Greek or Hebrew Manuscripts as having already transpired. it is all a FUTURE GREAT JUDGMENT DAY - it is all added and inserted into the translation - to invent this narrative’s suggestion, insinuation, hint, and clues that do not exist in the original.

This is exactly why there are so many, many contradictions in the translations.

Your Translation says..

Ezek 28:18; " And I have turned you to ashes on the earth In the eyes of all who see you. - The Translation you posted.

THE OTHER TRANSLATION SAYS . -

Ezek 28:18; " And I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. - The KJV Translation.

One of them is untruthful and the other is translating this verse correctly - and they all are inserting a pre - conceived teaching concerning key selected, choice specific teachings in many other places - that have nothing to do with the biblical storyline and narrative and subject content,
 
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Greetings,

may i put this verse forward

And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.
Genesis 4:26

could it be that the sons of God referred to in Genesis 6, who came in unto the daughters of men, were these men?

Were the daughters of men those from the line of Cain? {or, those who did not call upon the name of the LORD?]


Bless you ....><>
 

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