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The Doctrine That the Church Is The Body of Christ, the Elect
John Wyclife, of Yorkshire, England, translated the first Bible into English in 1382, not from the original languages, but from the Latin. Wyclife translated the Latin word ecclesiam into chirche (in old English spelling):
"And Y seie to thee, that thou art Petre, and on this stoon Y schal bilde my chirche, and the yatis of helle schulen not haue miyt ayens it." (Wyclife Bible, 1382)
But William Tyndale in his 1526 New Testament translated ekklesia consistently as congregation, except for Acts 14: 13 and Acts 19: 37 where he used churche, meaning a pagan place of worship. Tyndale broke with Catholic tradition and used congregation for ekklesia, something which might have contributed to his being strangled at the stake by the Catholics.
Then, Church was used by Theodore Beza in 1556. Beza took over Calvinism after the death of John Calvin at Geneva. More than did Calvin, Beza believed in the church as being an institution that rules over the doctrines and to some extent the behavior of its members, in a hierarchical form of church government and the church run by a clergy class. So, Beza used church for ekklesia instead of congregation as William Tyndale translated ekklesia in his 1526 New Testament. William Whittingham's Testament of 1557 followed Beza's usage of church and was actually the first edition of the Geneva Bible, supposedly a revision of the Tyndale New Testament. The King James Version followed the Geneva Bible in translating ekklesia as church.
I Peter 5: 2-3 says "Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;
3. Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being ensamples to the flock."
Any doctrine is established by the original meaning of the Hebrew or Greek words used to express that doctrine. A translation into English should not change that doctrine. Strong's Exhaustive Concordance defines ekklesia, number 1577, as "a calling out, i.e. (to) a popular meeting, especially a religious congregation..."
The old English word circe, chirche, kirk or churche is said to have meant the house of a lord, a place of pagan worship, or circe, the Greek goddess. But circe, or churche was redefined by the clergy. Neither churche as a house of a pagan lord or circe as the Greek goddess have the same meaning as the Greek word ekklesia.
Most often in the New Testament ekklesia is used to mean a local assembly of Christians. However in Colossians 1: 18 and in Colossians 1: 24 Paul appears to use ekklesia to mean the body of Christ.
"And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence." Colossians 1: 18
"Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:" Colossians 1: 24
Is Paul here creating the doctrine that the ekklesia is the body of Christ in the sense that all in the body of Christ are saved and are the elect? Paul was the one who wrote many of the New Testament texts on a coming departure in the churches from the truth.
II Thessalonians 2: 3, I Timothy 4: 1, II Timothy 3: 5, 7-8, II Timothy 3: 13, and II Timothy 4: 3 are all by Paul and are all about a departure from sound doctrine in the churches.
During times of falling away from the truth in the churches a large percentage of the church members would not be of the elect. There was an earlier falling away in the period from Origen (184 –254 A.D.) to the establishment of the false doctrines of the Catholic Church. And even in times when the churches were teaching doctrines closer to the truth, there would be some members not of the elect. This is supported by the parable of the sower in Matthew 13: 24-43. Christ said in Matthew 13: 29 that his followers were not to pull up the tares, but to let them grow together with the wheat - until the harvest when the wheat would be separated from the tares.
Rather than use church to mean all those who are saved, the body of Christ, the elect, the Israel of God (Galatians 6: 16) or the saints should be used. We could use Sion to mean the elect, if Sion is understood to mean Zion transformed or reborn in Christ. See: Romans 9: 33, Hebrews 12: 22, I Peter 2: 6 and especially Revelation 14: 1. "And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads."
Mount Sion is metaphoric in Revelation 14: 1. There is a literal Mount Zion, the highest point in old Jerusalem. And Mount Sion uses it as in a metaphoric way, meaning a high spiritual condition though having Christ forming in us. "Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: " Ephesians 2: 5-6
We sit with Christ in spiritual high places, that is, having Christ in us, we are raised up spiritually to a high level. So being with Christ on Mount Sion not only means these people are of the elect, being in Sion, but from other verses in Revelation 7 and 14, this remnant can be seen to have been raised up spiritually to an even higher place in Christ Jesus. Both in Zephaniah 3: 13 and in Revelation 14: 5, the remnant is said not to speak lies and is not deceptive. The remnant that is called the 144,000 in Revelation 7 and 14 may be raised up to a higher level in Christ than the remnant in Zephaniah 3 or even in Revelation 12: 7. Both remnants might be compared to John the Baptist, who came before Christ and announced his appearing. "For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight." Matthew 3: 3
The identity of the remnant called the 144,000 is in Christ, and it could also be said that their identity is in Sion, as Zion born again in Christ. Sion is Israel transformed in Christ.
The remnant of Israel reborn in Christ in Revelation 12: 7 is metaphorically out in the wilderness and they have the testimony of Christ out there, who is with them. John the Baptist spoke prophecy, for example in Matthew 3:10-12, but it is not recorded that John healed the sick or raised the dead, something Christ did. and some of Christ's apostles after him healed the sick and raised the dead. Likewise, the remnant at this point in time opens prophecy but does not heal the sick or raise the dead.
In dispensationalism there are two groups of God's people, Old Covenant Israel and the capital C Church. Christ says in John 10: 16 that there is one fold, not two, and Romans 12: 4-5 there is one Body of Christ, not two. The church is the meeting, the assembly or the congregation of the Israel of God (Galatians 6: 16). So, for dispensationalism one people of God are those who Christ declared, as a house, to be left desolate (Matthew 23: 38) and the other group is just a meeting or assembly.
John Wyclife, of Yorkshire, England, translated the first Bible into English in 1382, not from the original languages, but from the Latin. Wyclife translated the Latin word ecclesiam into chirche (in old English spelling):
"And Y seie to thee, that thou art Petre, and on this stoon Y schal bilde my chirche, and the yatis of helle schulen not haue miyt ayens it." (Wyclife Bible, 1382)
But William Tyndale in his 1526 New Testament translated ekklesia consistently as congregation, except for Acts 14: 13 and Acts 19: 37 where he used churche, meaning a pagan place of worship. Tyndale broke with Catholic tradition and used congregation for ekklesia, something which might have contributed to his being strangled at the stake by the Catholics.
Then, Church was used by Theodore Beza in 1556. Beza took over Calvinism after the death of John Calvin at Geneva. More than did Calvin, Beza believed in the church as being an institution that rules over the doctrines and to some extent the behavior of its members, in a hierarchical form of church government and the church run by a clergy class. So, Beza used church for ekklesia instead of congregation as William Tyndale translated ekklesia in his 1526 New Testament. William Whittingham's Testament of 1557 followed Beza's usage of church and was actually the first edition of the Geneva Bible, supposedly a revision of the Tyndale New Testament. The King James Version followed the Geneva Bible in translating ekklesia as church.
I Peter 5: 2-3 says "Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;
3. Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being ensamples to the flock."
Any doctrine is established by the original meaning of the Hebrew or Greek words used to express that doctrine. A translation into English should not change that doctrine. Strong's Exhaustive Concordance defines ekklesia, number 1577, as "a calling out, i.e. (to) a popular meeting, especially a religious congregation..."
The old English word circe, chirche, kirk or churche is said to have meant the house of a lord, a place of pagan worship, or circe, the Greek goddess. But circe, or churche was redefined by the clergy. Neither churche as a house of a pagan lord or circe as the Greek goddess have the same meaning as the Greek word ekklesia.
Most often in the New Testament ekklesia is used to mean a local assembly of Christians. However in Colossians 1: 18 and in Colossians 1: 24 Paul appears to use ekklesia to mean the body of Christ.
"And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence." Colossians 1: 18
"Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:" Colossians 1: 24
Is Paul here creating the doctrine that the ekklesia is the body of Christ in the sense that all in the body of Christ are saved and are the elect? Paul was the one who wrote many of the New Testament texts on a coming departure in the churches from the truth.
II Thessalonians 2: 3, I Timothy 4: 1, II Timothy 3: 5, 7-8, II Timothy 3: 13, and II Timothy 4: 3 are all by Paul and are all about a departure from sound doctrine in the churches.
During times of falling away from the truth in the churches a large percentage of the church members would not be of the elect. There was an earlier falling away in the period from Origen (184 –254 A.D.) to the establishment of the false doctrines of the Catholic Church. And even in times when the churches were teaching doctrines closer to the truth, there would be some members not of the elect. This is supported by the parable of the sower in Matthew 13: 24-43. Christ said in Matthew 13: 29 that his followers were not to pull up the tares, but to let them grow together with the wheat - until the harvest when the wheat would be separated from the tares.
Rather than use church to mean all those who are saved, the body of Christ, the elect, the Israel of God (Galatians 6: 16) or the saints should be used. We could use Sion to mean the elect, if Sion is understood to mean Zion transformed or reborn in Christ. See: Romans 9: 33, Hebrews 12: 22, I Peter 2: 6 and especially Revelation 14: 1. "And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads."
Mount Sion is metaphoric in Revelation 14: 1. There is a literal Mount Zion, the highest point in old Jerusalem. And Mount Sion uses it as in a metaphoric way, meaning a high spiritual condition though having Christ forming in us. "Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
We sit with Christ in spiritual high places, that is, having Christ in us, we are raised up spiritually to a high level. So being with Christ on Mount Sion not only means these people are of the elect, being in Sion, but from other verses in Revelation 7 and 14, this remnant can be seen to have been raised up spiritually to an even higher place in Christ Jesus. Both in Zephaniah 3: 13 and in Revelation 14: 5, the remnant is said not to speak lies and is not deceptive. The remnant that is called the 144,000 in Revelation 7 and 14 may be raised up to a higher level in Christ than the remnant in Zephaniah 3 or even in Revelation 12: 7. Both remnants might be compared to John the Baptist, who came before Christ and announced his appearing. "For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight." Matthew 3: 3
The identity of the remnant called the 144,000 is in Christ, and it could also be said that their identity is in Sion, as Zion born again in Christ. Sion is Israel transformed in Christ.
The remnant of Israel reborn in Christ in Revelation 12: 7 is metaphorically out in the wilderness and they have the testimony of Christ out there, who is with them. John the Baptist spoke prophecy, for example in Matthew 3:10-12, but it is not recorded that John healed the sick or raised the dead, something Christ did. and some of Christ's apostles after him healed the sick and raised the dead. Likewise, the remnant at this point in time opens prophecy but does not heal the sick or raise the dead.
In dispensationalism there are two groups of God's people, Old Covenant Israel and the capital C Church. Christ says in John 10: 16 that there is one fold, not two, and Romans 12: 4-5 there is one Body of Christ, not two. The church is the meeting, the assembly or the congregation of the Israel of God (Galatians 6: 16). So, for dispensationalism one people of God are those who Christ declared, as a house, to be left desolate (Matthew 23: 38) and the other group is just a meeting or assembly.
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