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There are verses in the Bible like this...
Matt 20:1 "For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire laborers for his vineyard.
Matt 20:2 "When he had agreed with the laborers for a denarius for the day, he sent them into his vineyard.
Matt 20:3 "And he went out about the third hour and saw others standing idle in the market place;
Matt 20:4 and to those he said, 'You also go into the vineyard, and whatever is right I will give you.' And so they went.
Matt 20:5 "Again he went out about the sixth and the ninth hour, and did the same thing.
Matt 20:6 "And about the eleventh hour he went out and found others standing around; and he *said to them, 'Why have you been standing here idle all day long?'
Matt 20:7 "They *said to him, 'Because no one hired us.' He *said to them, 'You go into the vineyard too.'
Matt 20:8 "When evening came, the owner of the vineyard *said to his foreman, 'Call the laborers and pay them their wages, beginning with the last group to the first.'
Matt 20:9 "When those hired about the eleventh hour came, each one received a denarius.
Matt 20:10 "When those hired first came, they thought that they would receive more; but each of them also received a denarius.
Matt 20:11 "When they received it, they grumbled at the landowner,
Matt 20:12 saying, 'These last men have worked only one hour, and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden and the scorching heat of the day.'
Matt 20:13 "But he answered and said to one of them, 'Friend, I am doing you no wrong; did you not agree with me for a denarius?
Matt 20:14 'Take what is yours and go, but I wish to give to this last man the same as to you.
Matt 20:15 'Is it not lawful for me to do what I wish with what is my own? Or is your eye envious because I am generous?'
Matt 20:16 "So the last shall be first, and the first last."
This parable is about "when" you get saved. For some it happens when they are very young, for others in mid-life, and for yet others it happens in mature old age.
But they all get "paid" the same. In this case, it's salvation, everyone is equally saved, no matter how old they were when they got saved.
As the story says... some think this is unfair.
But the point here, some people can get saved at an elderly age.
But for some people... it seems they reach a limit. God says no more chances. God seems to say, I'm not going to give you an opportunity after this point to get saved.
[KLV] Prov 6:15 Therefore shall his calamity come suddenly; suddenly shall he be broken without remedy.
Without remedy. There is no fix for this person.
In Romans 1, there are 3 verses that say...
Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
It seems God gave them up. That's it. We're done. No more chances.
2Thes 2:11 For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false,
2Thes 2:12 in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness
Eventually for some people, it seems God will let them believe a lie. It seems once you reach this point, there is no coming back.
I have wondered about people who think they are a gender other than their biological gender, some people think they are animals.
I have thought to myself, how can they be so confused?
But could i be... they have reached the end of God's patience. That's enough.
Heb 12:15 See to it that no one comes short of the grace of God; that no root of bitterness springing up causes trouble, and by it many be defiled;
Inevitably these discussion turn into OSAS discussions. But this isn't about that, maybe these people were never saved, for the sake of this thread it doesn't matter. The point is... they have reached a point where it seems they can no longer be saved.
Matt 20:1 "For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire laborers for his vineyard.
Matt 20:2 "When he had agreed with the laborers for a denarius for the day, he sent them into his vineyard.
Matt 20:3 "And he went out about the third hour and saw others standing idle in the market place;
Matt 20:4 and to those he said, 'You also go into the vineyard, and whatever is right I will give you.' And so they went.
Matt 20:5 "Again he went out about the sixth and the ninth hour, and did the same thing.
Matt 20:6 "And about the eleventh hour he went out and found others standing around; and he *said to them, 'Why have you been standing here idle all day long?'
Matt 20:7 "They *said to him, 'Because no one hired us.' He *said to them, 'You go into the vineyard too.'
Matt 20:8 "When evening came, the owner of the vineyard *said to his foreman, 'Call the laborers and pay them their wages, beginning with the last group to the first.'
Matt 20:9 "When those hired about the eleventh hour came, each one received a denarius.
Matt 20:10 "When those hired first came, they thought that they would receive more; but each of them also received a denarius.
Matt 20:11 "When they received it, they grumbled at the landowner,
Matt 20:12 saying, 'These last men have worked only one hour, and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden and the scorching heat of the day.'
Matt 20:13 "But he answered and said to one of them, 'Friend, I am doing you no wrong; did you not agree with me for a denarius?
Matt 20:14 'Take what is yours and go, but I wish to give to this last man the same as to you.
Matt 20:15 'Is it not lawful for me to do what I wish with what is my own? Or is your eye envious because I am generous?'
Matt 20:16 "So the last shall be first, and the first last."
This parable is about "when" you get saved. For some it happens when they are very young, for others in mid-life, and for yet others it happens in mature old age.
But they all get "paid" the same. In this case, it's salvation, everyone is equally saved, no matter how old they were when they got saved.
As the story says... some think this is unfair.
But the point here, some people can get saved at an elderly age.
But for some people... it seems they reach a limit. God says no more chances. God seems to say, I'm not going to give you an opportunity after this point to get saved.
[KLV] Prov 6:15 Therefore shall his calamity come suddenly; suddenly shall he be broken without remedy.
Without remedy. There is no fix for this person.
In Romans 1, there are 3 verses that say...
Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
It seems God gave them up. That's it. We're done. No more chances.
2Thes 2:11 For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false,
2Thes 2:12 in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness
Eventually for some people, it seems God will let them believe a lie. It seems once you reach this point, there is no coming back.
I have wondered about people who think they are a gender other than their biological gender, some people think they are animals.
I have thought to myself, how can they be so confused?
But could i be... they have reached the end of God's patience. That's enough.
Heb 12:15 See to it that no one comes short of the grace of God; that no root of bitterness springing up causes trouble, and by it many be defiled;
Inevitably these discussion turn into OSAS discussions. But this isn't about that, maybe these people were never saved, for the sake of this thread it doesn't matter. The point is... they have reached a point where it seems they can no longer be saved.
