The Books of the New Testament

[EphremHagos]

Does any one of "the Books of the New Testament" qualify as the word of God according to the terms in the "new covenant" sealed in Christ's death on the cross per se?

(Jer. 31: 31-34; Matt. 26: 26-29)

 

[B-A-C]

Does any one of "the Books of the New Testament" qualify as the word of God according to the terms in the "new covenant" sealed in Christ's death on the cross per se?

(Jer. 31: 31-34; Matt. 26: 26-29)

I would say all of them.
Jer 31:31 is about Israel and Judah.
I would say Hebrews and Revelation certainly.
But all of the books reveal the divine nature of God and his will.

 

[EphremHagos]

I would say all of them.
Jer 31:31 is about Israel and Judah.
I would say Hebrews and Revelation certainly.
But all of the books reveal the divine nature of God and his will.

Not only did the LORD keep his promise of "the new covenant" to Israel and Judah (Jer. 31: 31-34) but he also clearly amended it to include "all peoples" or Gentiles when the time came. (Luke 2: 28-32)

Had we faithfully obeyed the strict terms of "the new covenant", our testimonies would have matched the Apostles' (2 Cor. 3: 1-15) without the need for canonizing any one of the Books of the New Testament beyond their historical value.

That is why Christianity is in a mess and getting worse.

 

[B-A-C]

Not only did the LORD keep his promise of "the new covenant" to Israel and Judah (Jer. 31: 31-34) but he also clearly amended it to include "all peoples" or Gentiles when the time came. (Luke 2: 28-32)

Had we faithfully obeyed the strict terms of "the new covenant", our testimonies would have matched the Apostles' (2 Cor. 3: 1-15) without the need for canonizing any one of the Books of the New Testament beyond their historical value.

That is why Christianity is in a mess and getting worse.

I see. So in your opinion, the entire New Testament is unnecessary.

I am curious as to how Christians would know how Jesus was born, how he died.
What he did while "he was dead". Who our high-priest is. Who mediator between God and man is.
Who our sacrifice for sins is. Who the Word is/was. That Jesus was the son of God/God himself.
All through the old testament, a Messiah was prophesied to come. He did come.
But without the New Testament, how would we know that?

It seems many are trying to take Jesus out of the picture these days.

There is a large church, they call themselves "Christians".
Yet they usually don't pray to him. They pray to someone else more often. They even "hail" (praise) this person.
They have statues on this person in their yards, not Jesus.
They have stickers of this person on their cars, not Jesus.
They rarely name their churches after him. Usually they name them after the apostles, or Mary or various other saints, many of whom aren't in the Bible.
Jesus isn't the head of their church, a man in a large white hat is.
Jesus isn't their (only) priest, they have earthly priests.
They don't consider Jesus the only replacement/proxy/substitute/vicar for our sins.
They don't consider Jesus the only mediator between God and man.
They don't emphasize a personal relationship with Jesus, they emphasize rituals and traditions.
They believe Jesus isn't the only sinless human, they believe there was another who broke the curse of sin before (without) him.

You have to wonder why some people call themselves CHRISTians. It seems they are doing their best to remove Christ.
Jesus said HE was the new covenant. (Luke 22:20; and 1Cor 11:25; Heb 9:15; Heb 12:24; Heb 8:6-8)

Christianity may "be a mess". But thousands are getting saved every day. There are more Christians in the world right now than at any other time in history.
We don't all agree on everything, but we agree on who Jesus is. He is the new covenant.

 

[EphremHagos]

I see. So in your opinion, the entire New Testament is unnecessary.

I am curious as to how Christians would know how Jesus was born, how he died.
What he did while "he was dead". Who our high-priest is. Who mediator between God and man is.
Who our sacrifice for sins is. Who the Word is/was. That Jesus was the son of God/God himself.
All through the old testament, a Messiah was prophesied to come. He did come.
But without the New Testament, how would we know that?

It seems many are trying to take Jesus out of the picture these days.

There is a large church, they call themselves "Christians".
Yet they usually don't pray to him. They pray to someone else more often. They even "hail" (praise) this person.
They rarely name their churches after him. Usually they name them after the apostles, or Mary or various other saints, many of whom aren't in the Bible.
Jesus isn't the head of their church, the pope is.
Jesus isn't their (only) priest, they have earthly priests.
They don't consider Jesus the only replacement/proxy/substitute/vicar for our sins.
They don't consider Jesus the only mediator between God and man.
They don't emphasize a personal relationship with Jesus, they emphasize rituals and traditions.
They believe Jesus isn't the only sinless human, they believe there was another who broke the curse of sin before (without) him.

You have to wonder why some people call themselves CHRISTians. It seems they are doing their best to remove Christ.
Jesus said HE was the new covenant. (Luke 22:20; and 1Cor 11:25; Heb 9:15; Heb 12:24; Heb 8:6-8)

Christianity may "be a mess". But thousands are getting saved every day. There are more Christians in the world right now than at any other time in history.
We don't all agree on everything, but we agree on who Jesus is. He is the new covenant.

There neither has been in the past, nor is now, nor ever will be in the future anything more valuable than firsthand knowledge of Jesus Christ based on personal vision of his divine identity and absolute authority (as promised, taught and developed) in his death on the cross.

That is what Moses and Elijah testified about at the Transfiguration. (Luke 9: 28-36)

The hard choice today is who do we place in first place: the Scriptures or personal knowledge of Jesus Christ together with his gift of immortality. (John 5: 39-40; 11: 25-26).

In combination, there is infinite possibility for growth in his grace, knowledge and faith. The Scriptures alone are dead end. (Matt. 13: 11-12)

Such is the scope of the Good News of eternal life!

 

[B-A-C]

There neither has been in the past, nor is now, nor ever will be in the future anything more valuable than firsthand knowledge of Jesus Christ based on personal vision of his divine identity and absolute authority (as promised, taught and developed) in his death on the cross.

That is what Moses and Elijah testified about at the Transfiguration. (Luke 9: 28-36)

The hard choice today is who do we place in first place: the Scriptures or personal knowledge of Jesus Christ together with his gift of immortality. (John 5: 39-40; 11: 25-26).

In combination, there is infinite possibility for growth in his grace, knowledge and faith. The Scriptures alone are dead end. (Matt. 13: 11-12)

Such is the scope of the Good News of eternal life!

Jesus is the Word.
John 1:1-3; John 1:14; and 1Tim 3:16 and 2Tim 3:16

This isn't some mystical thing where Jesus becomes paper and papyrus. The Bible is God's own word (all of it, not just the parts we want to pick and choose out to support our agendas) Jesus is God.
Jesus is the living Bible, the living Word of God. The essence of the Word of God himself. Jesus wrote the Bible (he used men to do it) nothing is in the Bible that he doesn't want, and everything is in the Bible that he does want. Knowing the Bible IS knowing Jesus and God, knowing the Bible IS a firsthand experience. We have the Holy Spirit and prayer, but we are supposed to test even these things against scripture.

There are many versions of what people think Jesus is, and who they think he is.
Some claim to be prophets, some claim to be inspired by the Holy Spirit. But they are different.
So how do you know who the real Jesus is? The Bible!!!
We are to test doctrines, prophets, spirits against the Bible. It's the one thing that doesn't change.
(Therefore God doesn't change).

 

[EphremHagos]

Jesus is the Word.
John 1:1-3; John 1:14; and 1Tim 3:16 and 2Tim 3:16

This isn't some mystical thing where Jesus becomes paper and papyrus. The Bible is God's own word (all of it, not just the parts we want to pick and choose out to support our agendas) Jesus is God.
Jesus is the living Bible, the living Word of God. The essence of the Word of God himself. Jesus wrote the Bible (he used men to do it) nothing is in the Bible that he doesn't want, and everything is in the Bible that he does want. Knowing the Bible IS knowing Jesus and God, knowing the Bible IS a firsthand experience. We have the Holy Spirit and prayer, but we are supposed to test even these things against scripture.

There are many versions of what people think Jesus is, and who they think he is.
Some claim to be prophets, some claim to be inspired by the Holy Spirit. But they are different.
So how do you know who the real Jesus is? The Bible!!!
We are to test doctrines, prophets, spirits against the Bible. It's the one thing that doesn't change.
(Therefore God doesn't change).

The question is not at all whether or not Jesus is the Word.

The question is whether or not, strictly under the terms and seal of the "new covenant", any hand-written message by a third party is a good substitute for what God has to say. Far from it! (Jer. 31: 31-34). At least one apostle agrees (2 Cor. 3: 1-15).

The time is now for "something", by far, infinitely better than the written covenant on paper and papyrus, viz.: direct and personal revelation of one God by the Holy Spirit pouring out from the pierced side of Jesus.

Knowledge of Jesus Christ is is found both independent of and based on his Spirit-active works including unilaterally fixing the day of his death, identifying himself for arrest, self-surrender for arrest, self-incrimination in death sentencing, waiver of right of appeal; and culminating at once and for all demo of absolute authority over death and life. These are fully documented and, more importantly, personally confirmable at the risk of one's old life!

By the grace of the LORD, it works.

 

[B-A-C]

The question is not at all whether or not Jesus is the Word.

The question is whether or not, strictly under the terms and seal of the "new covenant", any hand-written message by a third party is a good substitute for what God has to say. Far from it! (Jer. 31: 31-34). At least one apostle agrees (2 Cor. 3: 1-15).

The time is now for "something", by far, infinitely better than the written covenant on paper and papyrus, viz.: direct and personal revelation of one God by the Holy Spirit pouring out from the pierced side of Jesus.

Knowledge of Jesus Christ is is found both independent of and based on his Spirit-active works including unilaterally fixing the day of his death, identifying himself for arrest, self-surrender for arrest, self-incrimination in death sentencing, waiver of right of appeal; and culminating at once and for all demo of absolute authority over death and life. These are fully documented and, more importantly, personally confirmable at the risk of one's old life!

By the grace of the LORD, it works.

2Cor 2 is about following the letter of the law or the spirit of the law, not about the Bible being useless or superseded.

2Tim 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;
2Tim 3:17 so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

If you agree the Jesus is the Word, and Jesus is perfect, then the Word has to also be perfect. The Bible may have been written by men, by all of it was inspired by God. Not some of it, or part of it. All of it.

1Pet 1:24 For, "ALL FLESH IS LIKE GRASS, AND ALL ITS GLORY LIKE THE FLOWER OF GRASS. THE GRASS WITHERS, AND THE FLOWER FALLS OFF,
1Pet 1:25 BUT THE WORD OF THE LORD ENDURES FOREVER." And this is the word which was preached to you.

God doesn't let his word get corrupted, and it doesn't get old or just go away.

John 14:26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.

The Holy Spirit doesn't teach anything new, or different from the Bible. Any revelation we receive from the Holy Spirit reveals to us the things that are already in the Bible. We may have read a certain verse at a certain time, we may have forgotten it, or perhaps when we read it, we didn't fully understand it. He may give us words to say (Mark 13:11; John 16:13) but it will never go against scripture, these are the revelations the Holy Spirit brings. There is no "new Gospel".

Interestingly enough, Satan doesn't like it when we read the Word either.
Mat 13:19 "When anyone hears the word of the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what has been sown in his heart. This is the one on whom seed was sown beside the road.

Anyone who discourages Christians from reading the Bible is certainly making Satan happy.

These are fully documented

All differences aside, if you have any creidible references to Jesus' death and arrest outside of scripture, I would love to have them.