The Bible teaches Hell is a place of eternal punishment, not annihilation.

[Butch5]

I have met Calvinists that were no where close to this. This is like hypercalvinism.

It could be. Either way they're wrong. The problem is their attitude. They won't let themselves see the truth. If you've debated one you've debated them all. They all use the same arguments. Sometimes I wonder is there's not a Calvinism debate 101 class. It's like they've learned the arguments from the same person.

 

[Butch5]

Twisting scripture is not "context", it is twisting scripture. And that is what you have done. These scriptures speak for themselves, it's just that you don't want to believe them, so you find ways to twist these scriptures, and call it "context", when it really isn't, just your own nonsense to discard the plain truth expressed in these verses. God exerts great authority over his creation, and not even one leaf falls anywhere on the earth without him appointing it to be so. Unless you understand the magnitude of the power of God, and his authority and power to choose, you will never understand anything else. You will always err.

You can keep crying, but the context determines what the passages mean. I've put them in context. No passage speaks for itself. No book of the Bible is a single verse. When Paul wrote a letter to the church it was a complete thought. You're trying to take a sentence out of that complete thought and impose your own beliefs on it. That's called eisgesis, not exegesis. Again, I offered to expound on every passage you posted. So, people can see if I'm putting them in context. You refused to expound on a single passage in context. And, I even gave you the choice of your own passage to make it easier, you refuse. I think you're hardly in a position to accuse someone of twisting the Scripture when you won't put a single passage in context.

 

[A. Christian]

It could be. Either way they're wrong. The problem is their attitude. They won't let themselves see the truth. If you've debated one you've debated them all. They all use the same arguments. Sometimes I wonder is there's not a Calvinism debate 101 class. It's like they've learned the arguments from the same person.

That could be said about a lot of groups for instance I've talked with alot of mormon missionaries and Jehovah's witnesses and its all the same stuff. But to be fair they might have actually taken a class for real.

I know of this one guy that believes God is sovereign and omniscient. And has give made a plan before the creation based off of his foreknowledge of our choices. There is a predestined plan but the choices in the plan are all our own. Basically he says foreknowledge is not the same thing as causing it. I don't see anything wrong with it.

 

[Br. Bear]

ding ding goes the bell.... back in your corners