The Author of Job understand

[rawprawn]

Job 38:2 "Who [SUB]b[/SUB] is this who darkens counsel
By [SUB]c[/SUB] words without knowledge? 3 [SUB]d[/SUB] Now [SUB]1[/SUB] prepare yourself like a man;
I will question you, and you shall answer Me. 4 "Where [SUB]e[/SUB] were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?

I think the person who wrote the book of Job understood that human being bring God down to a human level of understanding. I was walking home from work one night, I was studying theology at the time, and looking out into the stars I realized that what I was studying was man's attempt to define the Creator. As I continued down that train of thought I found that all religion is a human attempt to define, to box up and control the Creator. I became an atheist. I have always believed in the Creator, I think science is the study of the Creator, but gods are human inventions. As soon as we say God is....., we put the Creator in a box that we can control. I'd like to ask, how is it possible to believe in God without defining God within human limitations?

 

[jiggyfly]

Job 38:2 "Who [SUB]b[/SUB] is this who darkens counsel
By [SUB]c[/SUB] words without knowledge? 3 [SUB]d[/SUB] Now [SUB]1[/SUB] prepare yourself like a man;
I will question you, and you shall answer Me. 4 "Where [SUB]e[/SUB] were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?

I think the person who wrote the book of Job understood that human being bring God down to a human level of understanding. I was walking home from work one night, I was studying theology at the time, and looking out into the stars I realized that what I was studying was man's attempt to define the Creator. As I continued down that train of thought I found that all religion is a human attempt to define, to box up and control the Creator. I became an atheist. I have always believed in the Creator, I think science is the study of the Creator, but gods are human inventions. As soon as we say God is....., we put the Creator in a box that we can control. I'd like to ask, how is it possible to believe in God without defining God within human limitations?

Are you seeking Jesus Christ?

 

[amadeus2]

...how is it possible to believe in God without defining God within human limitations?

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Oh it is possible to believe in God without trying place God within any human definition, if God is really omnipotent. Man's problem has always been that he is a finite creature, who uses a imperfect finite means of communication. God can put a better explanation of Himself in our hearts, but can we then extract that which He has put there and explain it in a spoken or written human language so that anyone and everyone can understand it also? No, I do not believe that we can expain it with understanding to anyone whose heart is not open to God.

An unbeliever cannot see until he believes. If he does not believe in God at all, then he is completely blind, spiritually speaking, IMHO.

 

[Davy]

Job 38:2 "Who [SUB]b[/SUB] is this who darkens counsel
By [SUB]c[/SUB] words without knowledge? 3 [SUB]d[/SUB] Now [SUB]1[/SUB] prepare yourself like a man;
I will question you, and you shall answer Me. 4 "Where [SUB]e[/SUB] were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?

I think the person who wrote the book of Job understood that human being bring God down to a human level of understanding. I was walking home from work one night, I was studying theology at the time, and looking out into the stars I realized that what I was studying was man's attempt to define the Creator. As I continued down that train of thought I found that all religion is a human attempt to define, to box up and control the Creator. I became an atheist. I have always believed in the Creator, I think science is the study of the Creator, but gods are human inventions. As soon as we say God is....., we put the Creator in a box that we can control. I'd like to ask, how is it possible to believe in God without defining God within human limitations?

Hi, rawprawn.

That is a peculiar comment. Job 38:1-4, is an account recording God speaking to Job. Job was mistaken in thinking God had brought all his calamity upon him, when it was in fact Satan. So Job thought God had made some mistake! So to humble Job and correct his thinking, God asks him a series of questions to show just how little Job as a mortal actually knew, so that he could actually think he could correct God.

As regards bringing God down to a human level, the context does the exact opposite. Through out chapter 38 and 39, God clearly shows how insignificant and uneducated Job really was when it comes to understanding how the earth was founded, etc. Just read those two chapter and see if you can answer those questions. Then in Job 40:1, God asks: "Will the faultfinder contend with the Almighty? Let him who reproves God answer it." Then Job has to concede in verses 3, 4: "Then Job answered the LORD and said, Behold, I am insignificant; what can I reply to You? I lay my hand on my mouth." So, as you can see, these verses do not bring God down to man's level, the context actually elevated God way above man and his understanding. As regards putting the creator of the whole universe into a box, well it would have to be a very, very big box!!!

 

[David777]

Hello rawprawn.

"I have always believed in the Creator, I think science is the study of the Creator,
but gods are human inventions."

Interesting statement rawprawn, you are free to believe
whatever you wish to believe.

May I just clear up a possible misunderstanding you may have
regarding science. Science is based on axioms and assumptions.
Assumptions are things that are believed to be true, such as all
events in nature have natural causes.

Since science assumes all events have natural causes this
implies that God is not the source of the natural order as such.
Nor, is God directly involved in the process of natural events.

Science is not concerned with revelation or God.

Science does not study the creator!

Science is simply the study of the mechanics of the
cosmos. That is why science assumes, follows
assumptions, hypothesizes and theorizes.

You can of course be a Christian and find science
interesting.

It is just wise to understand what science primarily
is concerned with.

Many God's have been created by mankind, I agree.

God is the revelation in the scriptures, scriptures
do not and never had their origin in human thought
processes. Scripture is the extra natural revelation
of the one and only true God, Jesus Christ.

 

[Whitestone]

Hi, rawprawn.

That is a peculiar comment. Job 38:1-4, is an account recording God speaking to Job. Job was mistaken in thinking God had brought all his calamity upon him, when it was in fact Satan. So Job thought God had made some mistake! So to humble Job and correct his thinking, God asks him a series of questions to show just how little Job as a mortal actually knew, so that he could actually think he could correct God.

As regards bringing God down to a human level, the context does the exact opposite. Through out chapter 38 and 39, God clearly shows how insignificant and uneducated Job really was when it comes to understanding how the earth was founded, etc. Just read those two chapter and see if you can answer those questions. Then in Job 40:1, God asks: "Will the faultfinder contend with the Almighty? Let him who reproves God answer it." Then Job has to concede in verses 3, 4: "Then Job answered the LORD and said, Behold, I am insignificant; what can I reply to You? I lay my hand on my mouth." So, as you can see, these verses do not bring God down to man's level, the context actually elevated God way above man and his understanding. As regards putting the creator of the whole universe into a box, well it would have to be a very, very big box!!!

I'm sorry but you are mistaken. satan was only an adversary against Job's character.

It was God who brought all these calamities upon Job.

(Job 2:10)
But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips.

(Job 42:11)
Then came there unto him all his brethren, and all his sisters, and all they that had been of his acquaintance before, and did eat bread with him in his house: and they bemoaned him, and comforted him over all the evil that the LORD had brought upon him: every man also gave him a piece of money, and every one an earring of gold.

 

[Telma]

Job 1:8-12

"8 Then the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered My servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, one who fears God and shuns evil?”
9 So Satan answered the Lord and said, “Does Job fear God for nothing? 10 Have You not made a hedge around him, around his household, and around all that he has on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land. 11 But now, stretch out Your hand and touch all that he has, and he will surely curse You to Your face!”
12 And the Lord said to Satan, “Behold, all that he has is in your power; only do not lay a hand on his person."


Actually,as we can read here,and in the following passages,it is not God himself that touches Job's life with destruction but God allows Satan to harm Job with the purpose of proving if Job really served and loved God for who God is or if he only did it for all that God had given him.

Now,as to what is the original question of this thread.We are,after all,human.Any attempt that we,in the natural,make to try and explain God will always fall short.And that is why we have to put aside our view of God and to see Him as He is explained in the Bible.There is no way for us to truly understand how great and wonderful He is and there is where faith comes in.

"But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him."

Hebrews 11:6