test if a demon or similar saying he/she/it is Jesus?

[Sebastian]

Hey

im wondering: if Jesus would come to me, and say; hey I'm here to bring you to Heaven - rapture-style. Is there some way for me to check if "Jesus is really Jesus"?
so that it is not an Angel of Lucifer or something similiar which tries to deceive me to follow him or something else bad.

I think I've read that demons and bad Spirits may be "dealt with" by commanding them in the Name of The Lord to - like - go away, or, reveal their true nature or u know - to stop trying like to appear as Jesus (impersonate is a more accurate description I think), and I guess the same goes with Lucifer and his fallen Angels (but maybe they are the ones who are the demons and "bad spirits" and stuff, basically). - I've gotten that impression; that those guys can be commanded in such a way in such a situation, if I command it in the Name of The Lord -Jesus.

But.. What if it's one of those "-humans-" which are "taken" by the dark side? liiiike... Some inter-bred nephilim from some dark shady bloodline... oooor, like a luciferian human which have like powers which could "be evidence" that he is Jesus and stuff?
what I'm trying to get at, is that I haven't got the idea that such sort of -"human"- can be commanded, in the name of Jesus (?)

Thank you.

 

[Waggles]

im wondering: if Jesus would come to me, and say; hey I'm here to bring you to Heaven - rapture-style. Is there some way for me to check if "Jesus is really Jesus"? so that it is not an Angel of Lucifer or something similiar which tries to deceive me to follow him or something else bad.

Exorcism is not to be taken lightly - you are right to seek guidance on this -my sister was troubled over many decades after simply playing with a Ouija Board as a child.
Acts 19: 13-16
Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth.
And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so. And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?
And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.

Two things are given as witnesses to the truth of Jesus.
1. the Word of God - the gospels, Acts and the epistles.
2. the Holy Spirit [with the Bible evidence of speaking/praying in tongues]

It is only by the spiritual power of the Holy Spirit [part of the whole armour of God] that a Christian has the authority to rebuke Satan and other evil angels.
"Get thee behind me Satan, in the name of Jesus." is a most powerful statement and can only be enforced by the actual power and presence of the Holy Spirit.

Read the scriptures and always line up any supposed revelations from any source against the word of God.
Being visited by Jesus and having promises of special consideration made to one is generally not how 99% of Christians come to know and believe in the gospel of salvation.
The Gospel simply asks that we believe on Jesus and His commandments/teachings. The formula for acceptance is pretty straightforward and does not require the ceiling to roll
away and for angelic beings to descend.

The gospel message is the same today as it was twenty centuries ago - the Word of God never changes:
Acts 2: 37-42
Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
Baptized = full immersion in a tub or pool or river, etc.
remission = forgiveness of sins - read Romans chapter 6 on water baptism.

 

[B-A-C]

1 John 4:1-3 NASBS
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. [2] By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; [3] and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

 

[B-A-C]

I think it's rare that a demon claims to be Jesus. I'm not saying it's impossible, but I don't think it's common.
I myself have to wonder about other apparitions and manifestations...

In the Roman Catholic church.. there have been "apparitions". Usually these are of "the Virgin Mother" (Mary).
Some of the more famous of these include Fatima, Guadalupe, and recently Medjugorje. I personally have
to wonder why it's always Mary? Why isn't Jesus ever manifested? Perhaps they aren't looking for Jesus?

The Mormon church is similar.... according to the Mormon church, an angel named Moroni gave some plates
( tablets? ) made out of gold to Joseph Smith. Supposedly Moroni is the son of Mormon. (another angel?)
Can angels have children? (oh well, another subject). Again it wasn't jesus who was manifested here.

Yet the Bible does warn of false Christs that will pop up here and there. There are certainly many false
teachings about who Jesus is/was.

Matt 24:24; "For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.
Matt 24:25; "Behold, I have told you in advance.
Matt 24:26; "So if they say to you, 'Behold, He is in the wilderness,' do not go out, or, 'Behold, He is in the inner rooms,' do not believe them.
Matt 24:27; "For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be.

When Jesus returns, the whole world will see it. It won't be some clandestine secret place in the woods.

2 Cor 11:13; For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.
2 Cor 11:14; No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.
2 Cor 11:15; Therefore it is not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness, whose end will be according to their deeds.

There are many people in the world (even some here on TJ) who are disguised "as servants of righteousness".
But even Satan has the ability to disguise himself as "an angel of light".... Hmmm Moroni was an angel...

The test I mentioned in the previous post ( 1 Jn 4:1-3; ) is another good example....
Verse 2 says that the spirits that confess Jesus has come in the flesh are from God.
Yet some "Christian" denominations don't do this. For example the Jehovah's Witnesses say Jesus
wasn't resurrected n the flesh ( see Luke 24:39; ) but was reincarnated as a spirit being (Michael the arch-angel).

 

[Brother-Paul]

Hey

im wondering: if Jesus would come to me, and say; hey I'm here to bring you to Heaven - rapture-style. Is there some way for me to check if "Jesus is really Jesus"?
so that it is not an Angel of Lucifer or something similiar which tries to deceive me to follow him or something else bad.

I am wondering too Sebastian, you say... if Jesus would come to me, and say; hey I'm here to bring you to Heaven - rapture-style.


Jesus wouldn't come to you and say those things... He will come in Glory, riding on a cloud and we would meet with Him in the sky. In the twinkling of an eye, it will be that fast, certainly no time for anyone to think or say the word Lord...

Rev 1:7 KJV Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Acts 1:9-11 KJV
9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;

11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

1 Cor 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

 

[Sebastian]

1 John 4:1-3 NASBS
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. [2] By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; [3] and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

Thank you. I didn't come to remember that verse, but it is a statement that I would in such a situation use to put the "apparent jesus" to the test, if things would be in such a way that I would think i should put the man to the test, to see if he Truly Is who he appears to be.


so, full of the Holy Spirit, commanding the being, by the Power Of Jesus, in His name, to go away if the being is a demon/fallen Angel/other kind of spirit which Jesus does not testify (in Heaven) to be one the same side as Him. While also asking the being appearing to be Jesus 'if Jesus Christ came in the Flesh as Jesus of Nazareth' and the similar. -These two things should, if the Scriptures are right, should put to rest the ideas that it may be a demon or fallen angel or you know something of that kind impersonating Jesus to trick one.

So that sorta puts the whole part about spirit-beings to rest.


The main thing I'm wondering about tho is how it is said when it comes to "-humans-" in such a situation (?).
The two things above are not applicable, except maybe a case could be made for the possibility for In The Name of Jesus commanding the Evil Spirits which then would likely then influence that "-human-", commanding them to stop projecting themselves upon the "-human-" concerning the ongoing attempt of deception upon oneself. If such commanding in the Name of The Lord works, then that would i think highly change the way the "-human-" acts; sudden shifts in nature and behavior and emotional this and that and etc etc.

I have written above what I mean with "-human-". If you think clarification is needed then please just tell (I'm writing in quite a hurry (food-making pressing)) so I write this in quite a rush, which maybe I shouldn't, -but heck!

okey bye for now folks.

 

[Sebastian]

the most important "determining factor" i think for me tho would be to "feel in" the soul of the being in front of me then, reading into their within and seeing their true core nature as it is seen in through my eyes. I believe even the greatest nephilim-luciferian multidimensional core-evil-bloodline anti-christ w/e that would impersonate Jesus would be at least somewhat seen through quite exposedly by this, since i believe even such a being's core nature could not be held back from a deep looking within connecting deeply through great introspection of within from me. naturally and earnestly such behaviour of seeing deep core nature i have been developed for many years, forgive me for telling or expressing which might come off as foolish arrogance and pride, -and it might be, doubtedly tho, -but i always find myself looking back at myself a couple days/weeks ago and see how in the dark and poor and pityful lacking-in-understanding sight was. this expression right here being no exception by that rule. or as J. milton put it; 'Truth never comes into the world but like a *******, to the ignominy of him that brought her birth". Has been the rule for me atleast to the most part.. but im rambling again... Excuse me.

I want it said tho that I think that the statement "Jesus Saves and is Lord and God's son" is likely a great statement which defies milton there.)

another great factor would of course be the meeting's alignment with my take on the world and where we are and u know one's whole conception and anticipation and signs from the universe and, well, i guess what i'm describing is one's mental view of the world; with all it entails. "Does it Click" with fundamentals and so on.

Excuse me, -saw it fit to have it written down to show this thread is about the small uncertainty of not knowing which the two aspects described above would not take away. like something around 10% of the cognitive protection of not falling into a dreadful trap; like allowing the being to alter oneself in a devastating poor terrible ruining way, -you know typical Evil Spirits' -style I guess.

for now

 

[Sebastian]

oh, and, to clarify further; false prophets is not at all what I mean with such a "-human-". (by the general conception of false prophets (basically preachers preaching misleading false doctrine, thinking they're telling the truth but really are fooled by either their own intellect and "understanding" or by mostly being influenced by deceiving Spirits and other false Teachers (for example preaching the philosophies of "All is One, and You are it, and Jesus was an enlightened master amongst many other like buddha and Lao Tsu and are now amongst all the other superenlightened ascended people living in the 7th dimension and bla bla bla spiritual ascension bla bla bla ages blabla i communicate with God ("God") when im sleeping and receiving messages and etc etc so on and so on. u know what i mean hopefully)))..

Thank you

for now


hope it clarifies somewhat

bye

 

[Sebastian]

wacko i know


take a shower. (; ^^ x,P ..


Go on.
(think im talking to myself).

Bye.

 

[Curtis]

Did not Stephen the first "martyr" received into Heaven by Jesus at his death?

Act 7:55 But he, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God.
Act 7:56 And he said, "Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God."

How about the Apostle John when he was in the Spirit and saw Jesus in his Kingdom?

How about the Apostle Paul, when he said I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord when he was caught up to the third Heaven?

2Co 12:1 It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord.

We are even given a promise that there will a "entrance" ministered to us into the everlasting Kingdom of God!

2Pe 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
2Pe 1:11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

I wonder who would be the one ministering this "entrance" ?

 

[Christ4Ever]

I wonder who would be the one ministering this "entrance" ?

I do believe that you are already being ministered to by the Holy Spirit, so to me I would have to believe it would be the Holy Spirit. You can say He's been there done that! Who better then Him to minister this entrance?

All I can say is Alleluia and probably WOW on that day and everyday! Alleluia!

On the rest. As was mentioned 1 John 4 is the place to start. However, also know that whatever is spoken of must be consistent with the Holy Scriptures. You won't be told something that is contrary to what is contained therein. Can't be 99% right. It has to be 100%! If it's from God. We might not completely understand it, but there is no deception or half truths involved.

 

[Curtis]

I do believe that you are already being ministered to by the Holy Spirit, so to me I would have to believe it would be the Holy Spirit. You can say He's been there done that! Who better then Him to minister this entrance?

All I can say is Alleluia and probably WOW on that day and everyday! Alleluia!

On the rest. As was mentioned 1 John 4 is the place to start. However, also know that whatever is spoken of must be consistent with the Holy Scriptures. You won't be told something that is contrary to what is contained therein. Can't be 99% right. It has to be 100%! If it's from God. We might not completely understand it, but there is no deception or half truths involved.

I agree 100% the Holy Spirit would have to be present. I also believe Jesus Christ would also be there to minister this entrance because he said, "no can come to the Father except by me"
God the Father would also have to be there since Jesus only speaks what he hears the Father say, and the Holy Spirit does not speak on his own, but what he hears. This entrance would have to be ministered by God himself, Father Son, and Holy Spirit.

There is no doubt every thing the Father teaches must be confirmed in his Word, and the Spirit bearing witness to that truth. On the Mount of transfiguration where Peter James and John beheld Jesus in his Glory along with Moses, and Elijah was a 100% reality that can never be denied. yet, Peter finally comes forth and speaks about this event after Jesus told him not to tell anyone until after he had risen from the dead. Peter said this.......

2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
2 Peter 1:17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
2 Peter 1:18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
2 Peter 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

While visions of the Lord that he gives is 100% true, and real, Peter says that Word of God is even more sure, and that we would do well to take heed to what it says.......

 

[Sebastian]

no further clarification has been given me

I do sincerely appreciate the input though

Bye.

 

[Sebastian]

I would probably have to take a leap of faith in a such situation anyway, yet I appreciate any traces left behind of Holy men or letters in God's book concerning the matter for clarification, as is needed to still my fear or anxiety uncertainty of not knowing very well about subject-matter.

Thank you.

I.


Out for a while.

God bless you..

bye

 

[Sebastian]

Leaving mine Hands from this thread. I am sorry for upsetting people and causing drama on your nicely organized and other-so friendly neat corner of the Web.

I shall take an interest tho in reading any and all posts posted in this forum here-after, if it turns out that way -who knows (Im not a very consistant people as I might imagine) -hereby obligating my responsibilities connected to this thread (cutting all ties of obligation on my end to come back, handle. treat or in any other way present form express Myself here (while still encouraging people who think they understand what this thread is about & have good input, to bring it forth entirely as a gift with no moral strings attached for me to have a responsibility of reading it or replying (I also would wish no personal judgment on myself to bring forth a feeling in me of having to reply to "set things right..")).

Thanks a lot guys for your time guys, all who have read this, will read this, and the posters in the thread (future posters included)

and by that I feel no "karmic strings/attachments" to this thread, tho it may happen I shall reply incase i feel called to it.

Again sorry for being so weird to you guys.

love All

farewell

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bye

sincerely, I

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