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Mandatory Sunday rest. Good or bad?

  • Governments legislating religion doesn't work.

    Votes: 3 37.5%
  • Good idea...should be everywhere.

    Votes: 2 25.0%
  • This has nothing to do with religion.

    Votes: 2 25.0%
  • This is, or can develop into a religious liberty issue.

    Votes: 1 12.5%

  • Total voters
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The European Sunday Alliance — a network of 65 civil society organizations, trade unions and Churches— recently (by recently I mean about a year ago) made a pitch for “work free Sundays” to the European Union’s Economic and Social Committee in Brussels. The newly formed Alliance argued that a common day of rest would result in healthier families, a more cohesive society, and a more balance lifestyle for everyone. Does this call for an official day of rest marginalize the millions of European Muslims, Jews, and Seventh-day Adventists who observe a day other than Sunday as their day of worship?
 
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So, these groups work 7 days a week? How did they determine Sunday was the day to take off? Is religion something they even considered?
 
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Sunday is no different than any other day ! The real sabbath Was on Saturday ! But the reason we do not keep it , is because we now live a endless life for Him a living sacrifice1 each day is for the LORD ! but i know He wants us going to church ! We just Follow our LORD JESUS ! not pastors or popes or religions !
i think we should ASK THE LORD what church He wants us to go too ! I been to many kinds , loved it most of the time !
 
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Some of us "older folk" can remember when every store was closed on Sunday. Food store would open about 1 PM and close by 5 PM. Drug stores were the same. In the town I grew up in even gas stations were closed except for maybe two. Can you imagine Sears, Wards, closed on Sunday's ? There were no Walmart back then (1947 to 1955) Today our countries workers have become so dependant on doing whatever the employer dictates, that refusing to work on Sunday may well make a bold statement for God, and your faith, but result in being fired. For some of us working on Sundays has not been an easy choice.

We are now a society that Christianity is made fun of. With the slow economy, and so many part time jobs, our monetary resources may require us to be frugal and scrimp where ever we can. Many people are faced with having to have two part time jobs to make the budget, with nothing left over. I have heard of some people working three part time jobe! So if a job requires Sunday work there is no choice. If Sunday work was outlawed, I think many would consider it a blessing. I am in favor of a national law to keep Sunday's a day of rest.
 
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Hi farout, as you may be aware, many states (over 30 I believe) in your country still have such legislation to some extent or another on their books, albeit 'dormant', in that they are not enforced. These sunday 'blue' laws are remnants from a long time ago when all citizens of your fair land were required to rest on Sundays. Penalties were quite severe in some states...fines, jail, flogging, and even death sentences (although I know of no-one actually executed) for repeat offenders. There has been lobby groups for some time to re-enforce these laws, and make them a federal issue, one such group being I think called the Sunday Law Alliance, or something like that.
I got to go to back to work now (Sunday morning lol...dairy farmer) but will be back later to comment further. Think this could develop into an interesting discussion.
God bless.

And yes @papajim, I agree, it is inevitable at some stage, maybe soon. It is the consequences of such a move that I hope we may be able to explore in this thread.
 
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Sunday is no different than any other day ! The real sabbath Was on Saturday ! But the reason we do not keep it , is because we now live a endless life for Him a living sacrifice1 each day is for the LORD ! but i know He wants us going to church ! We just Follow our LORD JESUS ! not pastors or popes or religions !
i think we should ASK THE LORD what church He wants us to go too ! I been to many kinds , loved it most of the time !
You are correct spirit1st when you say that Ssaturday is the true sabbath, however I disagree when you say the reason we do not keep it, is because we now live an endless life for Him a living sacrifice each day is for the Lord. I do agree in part.
We do now live an endless life for Him a living sacrifice each day.

The Sabbath was given at the creation of the earth on the seventh day, it was meant for us to spend the entire with the Lord, all of the other days we were meant to work, to do the things we must to live in this world, but the sabbath was meant to put all of that aside and have a family day with God. A day to pray, study, fellowship with other believers, to enjoy the creations of nature that God has given us that glorifies Him. Yes we can do this on the other six as well but we are not to work on the Sabbath as we are on the other six days.

If you look at the 4th commandment in Ex. 20:8-11 in verse 10 it says that "the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God" so we find it is God's holy day. We see in verse 8 that we are to keep it holy and also in this verse we find the message of righteousness by faith, if you look closely you will find it. In verse 11 you will find it points to God as our creator, and that God blessed the sabbath and hollowed it.

The sabbath was a gift to us given at creation before sin ever entered mandkind.
 
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I think the World has changed, and not just the USA, but everywhere. I wonder with the anti-christianity attitude's in most countries what the World will be like in tenyears, if the return of Jesus Christ is even longer. You are right about old laws on the books of our states and cities, and small towns. Blue laws, for instance no booz sold on Sunday's was in Missouri when we moved here in 1985. The law was cahanged and that what the people voted on.

With the legalization of many states allowing same sex marriage's, even in the US military! We have been more than 520,000 abortions in the USA from when Roe / Wade was settled. There are more examples of how far from Gods Laws the World has slipped into the will of satan.

I do know is some places it's still inforced that to spit on the sidewalk is an offence, and can result with a fine.

I onced helped a dairy farmer milk cows when the power went out. He asked anyonhe with hands, to please help him milk his cows as it was a very serious problem after a day. there were over 50 cows. After that experience I think milk shold sell for more than gasoline. My hands were very sore after row times at helping milk the cows. So bless you for all your work. Blessings!
 
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They Have Fema camps set up already and some have armed guys already !But there is no one in them ! But it appears there are plans ?
I think it only a matter of time ! Until the christians will be under greater attack ? I doubt the true children of God will be here then?
but we are hated lots now by many ! Every state i think has a few of these camps !
 
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I read in you said you died twice and then born again, then died again. Could you elaborate?

I have not heard anything about empty FEMA camps, whats with all that?

So many who say they are followers of Jesus don't go to church, read the Bible, it's hard to teel who really is a believer. I expect we followers will have to suffer tribulation. If we are prepared then we can endure to the Lords return. Blessings.
 
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I think called the Sunday Law Alliance
I remember now, it is the Lord's Day Alliance. They have been operating in the US for decades, and are very staunch proponents for a Sunday Law to be established. That the last two popes have been very busy also in Europe promoting a Sunday law for what they still deem as their "Holy Roman Empire" , along with trade unions and family oriented social groups, is recognised by many as being of a big benefit for society. And I can understand that. Even in Israel, where everything shuts down on the Sabbath and those who are still religious are totally committed throughout Sabbath, are actually in agreement with the Vatican that a Sunday law would be good for them as it will give them some much needed time for family and for lifestyle activities denied to them the rest of the week. So a day to unwind, rest, relax, spend a day with family and take part in activities removed from the constant battle for the "dollar", is seen by many to be of great value, and are in support of such an idea. It is an idea I believe that is now overdue considering the stress of society and the unbalanced lives so many now lead.
That said however, I have a number of questions. First, why Sunday? And why is it that the churches and associated religionists are the ones at the forefront of advocating and promoting this idea? The answer to that is quite obvious. Sunday is traditionally the day of rest for most Christians, and recognised as such by non-Christians as well. The Vatican particularly sees trading and sport on Sundays as a desecration of that day, and believes that governments are his vessels for implementing church dogma and thus has no reservation in approaching the civil institutions in seeking aid and support. This is the similar mindset to the Lord's Day Alliance in the states. The next question is a very thorny one.
Does government have any business in having any part to play in this endeavour? The separation of church and state is a major plank in the US constitution. Or at least so many believe. How strong is that separation? How indelibly printed is the constitution, or is it merely a lightly traced pencil on a paper to be interpreted by the courts as something else when a crisis hits or the next good idea is seen to supersede it?
Then of course one must consider the religious liberty concept. Now I know that proponents of a Sunday law are keeping religion at arms length because of the constitutional issues, but let us be honest. They are promoting Sunday because it is a religious day. That they can call it a family day or something else is fine, but the fact remains that Sunday is and for 1700 year been a religious Christian day of observance and it is that fact that underlies the whole proposal. So what if religious liberty? Is it morally correct to enforce a day of rest upon non-believers who think Sunday is an opportunity to take advantage of people in the parks etc and sell ice-creams for their living? Can we dictate to those who choose to work 7 days a week and impose upon them an enforced loss of income for the sake of someone elses religious views? And what of the Muslim? He works six days a week, and has Friday off. Would it be right to enforse another day off and reduce him to a 5 day working week while the Christian can enjoy his six days? And of course there are the Jews who choose to work Sundays and the Seventh Day Adventist. True, no-one at this stage is suggesting that they cannot continue to observe their respective holy days, but is religious conformity a thing to be enforced upon the unwilling? Is this something Jesus would approve of?
There is of course the Saturday-Sabbath/Sunday issue that some would raise. But I think that such an issue is irrelevant at this stage because you will not find any Adventist or Jew demanding that Saturdays should be legislated for. In fact, Adventists are at the forefront of defending religious liberty for the very reasons I have expressed above.
I am convinced that such a Sunday Law proposal is coming. Time now to settle in your minds whether you would support such an idea, and consider well the ramifications for your neighbours, whether they be secular, Jew, Muslim, or Adventist.
 
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I remember now, it is the Lord's Day Alliance. They have been operating in the US for decades, and are very staunch proponents for a Sunday Law to be established. That the last two popes have been very busy also in Europe promoting a Sunday law for what they still deem as their "Holy Roman Empire" , along with trade unions and family oriented social groups, is recognised by many as being of a big benefit for society. And I can understand that. Even in Israel, where everything shuts down on the Sabbath and those who are still religious are totally committed throughout Sabbath, are actually in agreement with the Vatican that a Sunday law would be good for them as it will give them some much needed time for family and for lifestyle activities denied to them the rest of the week. So a day to unwind, rest, relax, spend a day with family and take part in activities removed from the constant battle for the "dollar", is seen by many to be of great value, and are in support of such an idea. It is an idea I believe that is now overdue considering the stress of society and the unbalanced lives so many now lead.
That said however, I have a number of questions. First, why Sunday? And why is it that the churches and associated religionists are the ones at the forefront of advocating and promoting this idea? The answer to that is quite obvious. Sunday is traditionally the day of rest for most Christians, and recognised as such by non-Christians as well. The Vatican particularly sees trading and sport on Sundays as a desecration of that day, and believes that governments are his vessels for implementing church dogma and thus has no reservation in approaching the civil institutions in seeking aid and support. This is the similar mindset to the Lord's Day Alliance in the states. The next question is a very thorny one.
Does government have any business in having any part to play in this endeavour? The separation of church and state is a major plank in the US constitution. Or at least so many believe. How strong is that separation? How indelibly printed is the constitution, or is it merely a lightly traced pencil on a paper to be interpreted by the courts as something else when a crisis hits or the next good idea is seen to supersede it?
Then of course one must consider the religious liberty concept. Now I know that proponents of a Sunday law are keeping religion at arms length because of the constitutional issues, but let us be honest. They are promoting Sunday because it is a religious day. That they can call it a family day or something else is fine, but the fact remains that Sunday is and for 1700 year been a religious Christian day of observance and it is that fact that underlies the whole proposal. So what if religious liberty? Is it morally correct to enforce a day of rest upon non-believers who think Sunday is an opportunity to take advantage of people in the parks etc and sell ice-creams for their living? Can we dictate to those who choose to work 7 days a week and impose upon them an enforced loss of income for the sake of someone elses religious views? And what of the Muslim? He works six days a week, and has Friday off. Would it be right to enforse another day off and reduce him to a 5 day working week while the Christian can enjoy his six days? And of course there are the Jews who choose to work Sundays and the Seventh Day Adventist. True, no-one at this stage is suggesting that they cannot continue to observe their respective holy days, but is religious conformity a thing to be enforced upon the unwilling? Is this something Jesus would approve of?
There is of course the Saturday-Sabbath/Sunday issue that some would raise. But I think that such an issue is irrelevant at this stage because you will not find any Adventist or Jew demanding that Saturdays should be legislated for. In fact, Adventists are at the forefront of defending religious liberty for the very reasons I have expressed above.
I am convinced that such a Sunday Law proposal is coming. Time now to settle in your minds whether you would support such an idea, and consider well the ramifications for your neighbours, whether they be secular, Jew, Muslim, or Adventist.
I have grown up Southern Baptist, I just want to follow God. I want to know what the truth about keeping Sunday, or the 4 commandment is. I think Jesus answered the only way to know the truth. Jesus said, “Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself. Joh 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him. Joh 7:16
When we come to the bible we must be willing to do God’s will, not or own… we must learn the art of submission of our will to God regardless of the way we feel, or think. We must bow to the Word which was made flesh, and His spoken words If we think we are wise enough to understand God’s word on our own without a firm reliance upon Christ then God will leave us to our own independent thought and we will error. If we open the bible without recognizing our need of the HOLY SPIRIT we are in danger of being left alone.
Unless man seeks God’s glory, and nothing for himself he will be misguided, and go out in to the midnight darkness of mind just as Judas did when he choose to betray Christ. In that very upper room, at the point of his final choice to reject Christ an betray him the Holy Spirit departed. Judas left the upper room, and the bible says, “and it was night!”
Soul darkness, spiritual blindness, we should fear least God leaves us for self willed behavior, and we don’t value Christ as we should, and betray Jesus by the choice to live by our own words, by forming our own doctrines, concepts, principles, ideas, instead of seeking to pattern the word of God exactly. My question is, is Sunday the will of God? Is it God's word?
 
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The European Sunday Alliance — a network of 65 civil society organizations, trade unions and Churches— recently (by recently I mean about a year ago) made a pitch for “work free Sundays” to the European Union’s Economic and Social Committee in Brussels. The newly formed Alliance argued that a common day of rest would result in healthier families, a more cohesive society, and a more balance lifestyle for everyone. Does this call for an official day of rest marginalize the millions of European Muslims, Jews, and Seventh-day Adventists who observe a day other than Sunday as their day of worship?
What killed much of this so-called seventh day of the week off was commercial shopping. Venues such as emergency services, hospitals, and lodgings are expected to be available. After five days of work, running kids around on Saturday, the only day left for shopping was Sunday. If small stores and restaurants could be open for the general public, then why not larger stores? Unless you're required to work seven days a week, one gets at least one day off a week. Hence, the seventh day. It's all about money and convenience. If one demands Sunday off but expects others to work in case of a need, isn't that hypocritical? Do you read the Sunday paper?

Cheers,
John
 
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