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Spiritual Abuse

jiggyfly

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After I came to the truth about tithing I was trying to convince someone of this truth through an e-mail conversation. I shared my opinion of the pastors who teach this false doctrine. She warned me that I shouldn't be speaking against the men that were "appointed by God to shepherd His people." This seems to be a common belief among many church goers. They believe that the men or women in the pulpit were put there by God and that we shouldn't question them. There are people who have been called by God to help and teach his people but that's not true of everyone in the pulpit. Would anyone say that a pedophile priest was appointed by God? What about the married leader of a mega church that was just "outed" for paying a man for sex? Was he appointed by God? Was the gay Episcopalian bishop or the lesbian Methodist minister appointed by God? Obviously not.

There have been many people who have been lied to, controlled, put into bondage or abused because they believed that they shouldn’t question the leader of their church. That they were somehow questioning God Himself. This is just not true. Christians have a God given gift of discernment. This gift is the Holy Spirit. If something doesn't seem right to you then it probably isn't.

There is such a thing as spiritual abuse. Some people in positions of authority in the church use that authority to manipulate and abuse other people for or their own need or greed. Do you know someone who has been in this type situation? Do you know someone who feels guilty if they aren’t in church every time the doors are open? Is church attendance more important than their family? Are they suffering financially because they give more than they can afford to the church out of fear of being cursed by God or condemned by the church leaders? Do they feel like they will never measure up as a Christian?

The Pharisees put heavy loads on people but Jesus came to set the people free. Why do we let the modern day Pharisees try to load us down? Jesus said that His yoke is easy and His burden is light. If your Christian walk is full of shame and the feeling that you'll never measure up there is something wrong. You are not living the abundant life that Jesus promised you. You may be a victim of spiritual abuse and not even realize it. I just read an excellent book on this subject. The book is called The Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse. I am out of the religious system now but as I was reading the book I recognized the tactics of abuse that were used in the church I used to go to. The authors of the book have a web site that can help people who have been spiritually abused.
 
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Excellent points you make jiggyfly.

I don't have time right now to really respond with some other points to add, but I would like to mention one thing.

I do have discernment when it comes to these things, and I have seen many "men of the cloth" who are only out for themselves who put on a pretty good charade. Likewise, I have also discerned others of these men at the pulpit who truly have a heart after God's, but they themselves are in bondage to the trappings of the religious system they unknowingly trump.

Perhaps I will comment later on this as the thread progresses. Good post jiggyfly. You and I seem to be likeminded in many aspects.

Be blessed.

Hisalone
 
We all have that same gift of holy spirit. No-one has any more of that gift than any other person or pastor. We are all part of the same body of Christ. Yet we can learn from our elders of the body of Christ, whom have more understanding over certain things than the younger believers. We can learn from each other, but it's God who gives the increase in knowledge and understanding.

Joh 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

1Jo 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

2Co 1:21 Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God;

The more we read the Bible the more God opens up the truth to us, to help us giving us discernment against the falseness and spiritual abuse. Whenever I read articles, teachings, my Bible is not far from me, searching to see if what they are saying is in fact so.

Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

That book called "The Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse" seems an excellent read, so I may see if I can get hold of it.
 
jiggyfly, as sad as it is for me to state this i have to agree with you. many times in todays churches they make people feel guilty and play on the emotions of men rather than the love of christ and what the word of god truly states. they do these things for their own personal gain.

many of them go as far as making worldly activities a part of their church to make their churches popular. many beleive that the more people that are in the church the more godly work they are doing. i saw this at grace community church in roswell, n.m. where they have video games for the chidren, pool tables for the adults and pizza parties and many other activities. but on top of allthis they also teach the itchy ear gospel that many want to hear so they do not have to look into their own hearts of wickedness and sin.

many people are being taught that we are worthy of salvation and we can work our way to heaven. however none of this is actually written in the gospel. our flesh is wicked and our souls are in need of a saviour. it i9s for this reason that christ gave his life for the all mankind. he made away where there is no way for us that are undeserving of it.
 
I understand what you guys are saying... but let us weigh everything before anything else. Let us ask for a discernment. Let us still be careful and do things prayerfully because we might even displease the Lord. [Num 12]

I am not against what you're saying, because it is true for some who stand on the pulpit. Let's just take heed and do what is best.:love:
 
oublie, i agree that we need to stay in prayer and definatly ask for discernment concerning these things. however we need to stay away from the false authorities for their authorities are of this world and the prince of hate rather than the prince of peace and life. all throughout the bible the lord has given discernment to stand against these. i realize that many use romans 13 as their key to deceive and allow themselves to be deceived. but allow us to take a look at the other books in the bible. where the authorities went against the lord and the apostles and jesus himself went on doing the will of god over the authority of men. allow us to take a look through the book of acts.
 
Thank you for sharing jiggyfly, this topic is very personal for me...

I found a summary of the book (which I havent had opportunity to read) on Barnabas Ministry:

The Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse discusses unhealthy spiritual patterns in a constructive and helpful way.

There are many books that attempt to address various unhealthy spiritual patterns, but often with the goal of stigmatizing them and promoting the churches or belief systems of the authors. I have read a number of these type of books and found these more interested in putting down people of different beliefs than anything else. That’s nothing new in religious literature—the "I’m right and you’re a heretic" approach has been around for nearly 2000 years, the 21st century version is "I’m right, you’re a cult."

Some of these books may help people identify with some troubling practices and discuss recovery strategies, but the over-generalizing, demonizing, building of composite stories (which make things look much worse) and theological biases get in the way of making the books really helpful towards solving any problems.

But this book by Johnson and Vanvonderen is different. Drawing upon years of ministry experience as pastor and counselor (respectively), they examine the fine line between Biblical leadership and abuse. Without mentioning groups or demonizing those involved, they discuss how well-intentioned leadership can have abusive effects. This "high road" approach is highly helpful in identifying some of the critical factors that have led to harsh and harmful leadership in churches.

Marks of a Spiritually Unhealthy Environment
For example, the authors identify the marks of a spiritually unhealthy system. I'd like to include these here as a sample of how the authors address these issues. (The following consists of verbatim citations of copyrighted material from Chapter 5,6 of "The Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse.")

1. Power-Posturing
Power-posturing simply means leaders spend a lot of time focused on their own authority and reminding others of it, as well.
They spend a lot of energy posturing about how much authority they have and how much everyone else is supposed to submit to it. The fact that they are eager to place people under them-- under their word, under their "authority"-- is one easy-to-spot clue that they are operating in their own authority.

2. Performance Preoccupation
In abusive spiritual systems, power is postured and authority is legislated. Therefore, these systems are preoccupied with the performance of their members. Obedience and submission are two important words often used.
The way to tell if someone is doing the right thing for the wrong reason is if they are keeping track of it. Let's say that another way. If obedience and service is flowing out of you as a result of your own dependence on God alone, you won't keep track of it with an eye toward reward, you'll just do it. But if you're preoccupied with whether you've done enough to please God, then you're not looking at Him, you're looking at your own works. And you're also concerned about who else might be looking at you, evaluating you. What would anyone keep track of their godly behavior unless they were trying to earn spiritual points because of it?
For many reasons, followers sometimes obey or follow orders to avoid being shamed, to gain someone's approval, or to keep their spiritual status or position intact. This is not true obedience or submission, it is compliant self-seeking. When behavior is simply legislated from the outside, instead of coming from a heart that loves God, it cannot be called obedience. It is merely weak compliance to some form of external pressure.

3. Unspoken Rules
In abusive spiritual systems, people's lives are controlled from the outside in by rules, spoken and unspoken. Unspoken rules are those that govern unhealthy churches or families but are not said out loud. Because they are not said out loud, you don't find out that they're there until you break them.
The most powerful of all unspoken rules in the abusive system is what we have already termed the "can't talk" rule. The "can't talk" [rule] has this thinking behind it: "The real problem cannot be exposed because then it would have to be dealt with and things would have to change; so it must be protected behind walls of silence (neglect) or by assault (legalistic attack). If you speak about the problem, you are the problem.

4. Lack of Balance
The fourth characteristic of a spiritual abusive system is an unbalanced approach to living out the truth of the Christian life. This shows itself in two extremes:

Extreme Objectivism
The first extreme is an empirical approach to life, which elevates objective truth to the exclusion of valid subjective experience.
This approach to spirituality creates a system in which authority is based upon the level of education and intellectual capacity alone, rather than on intimacy with God, obedience and sensitivity to His Spirit.

Extreme Subjectivism
The other manifestation of lack of balance is seen in an extremely subjective approach to the Christian life. What is true is decided on the basis of feelings and experiences, giving more weight to them than what the Bible declares. In this system, people can't know or understand truths (even if they really do understand or know them) until the leaders "receive them by spiritual revelation from the Lord" and "impart" them to the people.
In such systems, it is more important to act according to the word of a leader who has "a word" for you than to act according to what you know to be true from Scripture, or simply from your spiritual growth-history.
As with the extreme objective approach, Christians who are highly subjective also have a view of education-- most often, that education is bad or unnecessary. There is almost a pride in not being educated, and a disdain for those who are. Everything that is needed is taught through the Holy Spirit. ("After all, Peter and Timothy didn't go to college or seminary...")

5. Paranoia
In the church that is spiritually abusive, there is a sense, spoken or unspoken, that "others will not understand what we're all about, so let's not let them know-- that way they won't be able to ridicule or persecute us." There is an assumption that (1) what we say, know, or do is a result of our being more enlightened that others; (2) others will not understand unless they become one of us; and (3) others will respond negatively.
In a place where authority is grasped and legislated, not simply demonstrated, persecution sensitivity builds a case for keeping everything within the system. Why? Because of the evil, dangerous, or unspiritual people outside of the system who are trying to weaken or destroy "us." This mentality builds a strong wall or bunker around the abusive system, isolates the abusers from scrutiny and accountability, and makes it more difficult for people to leave-- because they will then be outsiders too. While it is true that there is a world of evil outside of the system, there is also good out there. But people are misled into thinking that the only safety is in the system.
Ironically, Jesus and Paul both warned that one of the worst dangers to the flock was from wolves in the house (Matthew 10:16, Acts 20:29-30).

6. Misplaced Loyalty
The next characteristic of spiritually abusive systems is that a misplaced sense of loyalty is fostered and even demanded. We're not talking about loyalty to Christ, but about loyalty to a given organization, church, or leader.
Once again, because authority is assumed or legislated (and therefore not real), following must be legislated as well. A common way this is accomplished is by setting up a system where disloyalty to or disagreement with the leadership is construed as the same thing as disobeying God. Questioning leaders is equal to questioning God.

"We Alone Are Right"
There are three factors that come into place here, adding up to a misplaced loyalty. First, leadership projects a "we alone are right" mentality, which permeates the system. Members must remain in the system if they want to be "safe," or to stay "on good terms" with God, or not be viewed as wrong or "backslidden."

Scare Tactics
The second factor that brings about misplaced loyalty is the use of "scare tactics." We're already seen this in some of the paranoia described in the last section. Scare tactics are more serious. This is more than just the risk of being polluted by the world.
We have counseled many Christians who, after deciding to leave their church, were told horrifying things. "God is going to withdraw His Spirit from you and your family." "God will destroy your business." "Without our protection, Satan will get your children." "You and your family will come under a curse." This is spiritual blackmail and it's abuse. And it does cause people to stay in abusive places.

Humiliation
The third method of calling forth misplaced loyalty is the threat of humiliation. This is done by publicly shaming, exposing, or threatening to remove people from the group.
Unquestionably, there is a place for appropriate church discipline. In the abusive system, it is the fear of being exposed, humiliated or removed that insures your proper allegiance, and insulates those in authority. You can be "exposed" for asking too many questions, for disobeying the unspoken rules, or for disagreeing with authority. People are made public examples in order to send a message to those who remain. Others have phone campaigns launched against them, to warn their friends and others in the group about how "dangerous" they are.

7. Secretive
When you see people in a religious system being secretive-- watch out. People don't hide what is appropriate; they hide what is inappropriate.
One reason spiritual abusive families and churches are secretive is because they are so image conscious. People in these systems can't even live up to their own performance standards, so they have to hide what is real. Some believe they must do this to protect God's good name. So how things look and what others think becomes more important than what's real. They become God's "public relations agents." The truth is, He's not hiring anyone for this position.
Another reason for secrecy in a church is that the leadership has a condescending, negative view of the laity. This results in conspiracies on the leadership level. They tell themselves, "People are not mature enough to handle truth." This is patronizing at best. Conspiracies also develop among the lay people. Since it is not all right [sic] to notice or talk about problems, people form conspiracies behind closed doors and over the telephone as they try to solve things informally. But since they have no authority, they solve, and solve, and solve-- but nothing really gets solved. And all the while, building God's true kingdom is put on hold.

Conclusion
"I hope that what I have cited gets your attention and motivates you to read this book. The subtle patterns of unhealthy characteristics are discussed in a way that actually helps people identify them, resist them, and recover from them."
- John Engler
 
I am a 'tithe'r I give a tenth of my income to the place where I am fed, cared for, and have fellowship in God. It is not my concern what happens to my money, I give it to the Lord and His work. If it is misplaced.....that is not my concern....I gave it to the LOrd.

My fellowship supports people 'native' to their country around the world, working to win the people to Jesus. 3 workers in Columbia, the Columbian Pastor's wife is due to visit our church next month.

We support a lady worker in Sierra Leone, who e-mailed this week with information

We support a children's school in Zambia, recently built, where 300 children now have one meal a day, instead of one meal each week.....

We support 3 Christian worker in Columbia

We support "Teen Challenge" a ministry to the drug addicts.

I could go on

This year we have built a womans dormitory at a bible school in Kenya. Well almost, it will be completed in the next month. This bible school has been standing for 40 years, Teaching and sending Christian local people into Kenya with the Christian message. But throughout this period it has run down into almost decay.

Two of our ladies visited Kenya 3 months ago, to find out if our church could help in the 'aids' epidemic. They discovered that the charities of the world are helping there. They then visited this Kenya Bible School which after 40 years was jaded and run down.

My church then decided to build a womans dormitory costing £20,000, and accommodating 20 ladies. It is now almost completed. Single story at the moment

You may be thinking that we are a large fellowship No, just 200 folks

How is this Gospel/Charity work done. By debating whether we can afford it? Asking if some person is getting rich by what we give Dear LOrd

Each Lord's day morning I have my tithe in my pocket, not personal cheque, cash. It is my joy to give to God.

There is joy in serving Jesus, in every way possible. Why all this debate about what we should give? You cannot outgive God

The day draws near when folks will be falling over themselves to give to God's work....Such will be the manifest blessing of His Love
 
I came put of a denomination that did more indoctrinating than teaching. They are skilled in the fine art of guilt-tripping people. However, I've learned that there are other denominations/churches that don't do that and I'm grateful to God that He planted me in one of them.

My avatar says: Church Is Fun!, and in my church, it is fun. We enjoy our time together. When money is mentioned in a teaching, it's always in a low-key, non-harrassing way and it's always couched in talk of what we, as a church, are doing in our community.

SLE
 
If your Christian walk is full of shame and the feeling that you'll never measure up there is something wrong. You are not living the abundant life that Jesus promised you. You may be a victim of spiritual abuse and not even realize it. I just read an excellent book on this subject. The book is called The Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse. I am out of the religious system now but as I was reading the book I recognized the tactics of abuse that were used in the church I used to go to. The authors of the book have a web site that can help people who have been spiritually abused.

Thank you for writing this, It is EXACTLY how I feel, it hurt so bad, i feel lost, scared, alone, ashamed, condemned, like I will NEVER measure up, and I am always afraid to talk to God, I feel like I am the worst sinner in the world, I am currently a Catholic and it hurts.

I need help, I want to get away from all this but I feel trapped.
 
Thank you for writing this, It is EXACTLY how I feel, it hurt so bad, i feel lost, scared, alone, ashamed, condemned, like I will NEVER measure up, and I am always afraid to talk to God, I feel like I am the worst sinner in the world, I am currently a Catholic and it hurts.

I need help, I want to get away from all this but I feel trapped.

First separate yourself from the place(this includes the people) you have been attending. Seek help and counsel from Father, spend some time with Him, then allow HolySpirit to lead you from there. Father loves you and has not turned you away, but none of us measure up outside of what Christ has done for us at calvary.

For God in all His fullness was pleased to live in Christ, and by Him God reconciled everything to Himself. He made peace with everything in heaven and on earth by means of His blood on the cross. This includes you who were once so far away from God. You were His enemies, separated from Him by your evil thoughts and actions, yet now He has brought you back as His friends. He has done this through his death on the cross in His own human body. As a result, He has brought you into the very presence of God, and you are holy and blameless as you stand before Him without a single fault. Colossians 1:19-22

You are completely acceptable as far as Father is concerned, steer clear of anyone who tells you otherwise because they are ignorant of God and His plan of reconciliation:wink:.
 
Awesome post!!!

As a result, He has brought you into the very presence of God, and you are holy and blameless as you stand before Him without a single fault.

There goes the theory that we are just some poor sinners saved by grace. Just worms in the dirt.

We were sinners that have been saved by Grace. We are the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus!!!!

Awesome advice.

Jesus Is Lord.
 
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