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Some Pastors teach HELL Some Don't, Who do You Favor? What does JESUS SAVE us form then?

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Some think, Hell is negative Proclamation, and is Not The "GOSPEL ACCORDING TO JESUS CHRIST: And Not in the Character of "GOD the FATHER"!
Now i will define the Word Hell that is to be use in this Thread. For the TARGET.

Hell = Eternal Punishment! Torture in mind and soul. Measured by THE WORD of GOD. All other terms will be "Anthropomorphic" words.
 
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Some think, Hell is negative Proclamation, and is Not The "GOSPEL ACCORDING TO JESUS CHRIST: And Not in the Character of "GOD the FATHER"!
Now i will define the Word Hell that is to be use in this Thread. For the TARGET.

Hell = Eternal Punishment! Torture in mind and soul. Measured by THE WORD of GOD. All other terms will be "Anthropomorphic" words.
The letter of the law death was necessary. It revealed men are born dead and trespasses and sin without God as a savior.

Many contribute hell as the "second death" therefore teaching "double jeopardy " .Hell represents the first death the sufferings in dying. Being yoked with Christ he makes our burden lighter . Because those born from above are given a new spirit that could never die they are raised up on the last days. and recive the promised new incorruptible born again bodies

The dead know nothing, feel nothing, see nothing and hear zip.. their bodies return to the clay were it was formed of and their temporal spirits under the letter of the law return to the father of all spirit life. Its universal Alzheimer as the living suffering of hell. . once one takes there last breath . They will not rise to new spirit life as if they were never born their names erased from the book of life .
 
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The letter of the law death was necessary. It revealed men are born dead and trespasses and sin without God as a savior.

Many contribute hell as the "second death" therefore teaching "double jeopardy " .Hell represents the first death the sufferings in dying. Being yoked with Christ he makes our burden lighter . Because those born from above are given a new spirit that could never die they are raised up on the last days. and recive the promised new incorruptible born again bodies

The dead know nothing, feel nothing, see nothing and hear zip.. their bodies return to the clay were it was formed of and their temporal spirits under the letter of the law return to the father of all spirit life. Its universal Alzheimer as the living suffering of hell. . once one takes there last breath . They will not rise to new spirit life as if they were never born their names erased from the book of life .
"one think, Hell is negative Proclamation, and is Not The "GOSPEL ACCORDING TO JESUS CHRIST: And Not in the Character of "GOD the FATHER"!
Now i will define the Word Hell that is to be use in this Thread. For the TARGET."
"Hell = Eternal Punishment! Torture in mind and soul. Measured by THE WORD of GOD. All other terms will be "Anthropomorphic" words."


I know there was a thread dealing with the definition of Hell, Would be more to your reply.

Where do we go when we die?
 
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"one think, Hell is negative Proclamation, and is Not The "GOSPEL ACCORDING TO JESUS CHRIST: And Not in the Character of "GOD the FATHER"!
Now i will define the Word Hell that is to be use in this Thread. For the TARGET."
"Hell = Eternal Punishment! Torture in mind and soul. Measured by THE WORD of GOD. All other terms will be "Anthropomorphic" words."


I know there was a thread dealing with the definition of Hell, Would be more to your reply.

Where do we go when we die?
Hell is the working out of the first death. It is the living sufferings we have in these powerless bodies of corrupted flesh and blood. Mankind under the letter of the law "Death" .Death comes from following another kind of teaching authority as Lord and Master . . the father of lies..

It is shown by two parables with Jonas and the son of man, Jesus they are revealed together to be compared to each other . It was the last sign as a wonder given the wonder was made known .

Jonas murmured and kicked against the pricks all the way to preach the gospel , exposing his hatred for other nations. While Jesus did the will of the father powered by the father needed to finish the work of two just as with Jonah during his three day and night demonstration.

Neither Jesus or Jonah sought the help of dead relatives or men of renown " necromancy" venerating the dead disembodied spirit gods. The pagan foundation having no faith in a unseen God but rather serve familiar spirits of the dead.

Luke 16 in a series of parables beginning in the previous chapter God reveals the true teaching authority as master and Lord. . our unseen Holy Father . Twice to emphasize the the final authority in matters of faith as it is written in the law and prophets (sola scriptura). he declare as it is written in the law and the prophets . . .not after seeking the dead for those still alive on earth

The parable teaching us no man can serve two teaching masters necromancy placing ones faith in the dead And the true witness all things written in the law and the prophets (soala scriptural

In hell represents the wage of sin the sufferings of these bodies of death . Seeking after the dead is a false teaching authority a hierachry of men lording it ove the non verenable pew sitters understanding

Note. . .(Blue in parentheses) my addition

The key ...Luke 16: 13 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.( worldly wisdom earthly inspired by the father of lies. )

The working out of the doctrine of; "No man can serve two teaching masters as Lord" in a parable below. . .

Luke 16: 23-31 And in hell (the sufferings of death wage of sin . .not dead never to rise ) he lift up his eyes, (of ones heart or mind) being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, (as a vision in ones fleshly mind) and Lazarus (representing a believer ) in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. (The sufferings of this life in a body of death ) But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot;(impossible) neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. (impossible) Then he said, (completely ignoring what was just said) I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. (suffering with, being yoked with Christ who makes our burden lighter. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; (sola scriptura) let them hear them. (both witnesses as one witness of God ) And he said,(completely ignoring what was just said) Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

It is clearly not teaching a person will suffer forever and ever with no end. The parable must be rightly divided .Without parables Christ spoke not This is clearly one in a series beginning in 15 that ends in the next chapter. 17.
 
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Hell is the working out of the first death. It is the living sufferings we have in these powerless bodies of corrupted flesh and blood. Mankind under the letter of the law "Death" .Death comes from following another kind of teaching authority as Lord and Master . . the father of lies..

It is shown by two parables with Jonas and the son of man, Jesus they are revealed together to be compared to each other . It was the last sign as a wonder given the wonder was made known .

Jonas murmured and kicked against the pricks all the way to preach the gospel , exposing his hatred for other nations. While Jesus did the will of the father powered by the father needed to finish the work of two just as with Jonah during his three day and night demonstration.

Neither Jesus or Jonah sought the help of dead relatives or men of renown " necromancy" venerating the dead disembodied spirit gods. The pagan foundation having no faith in a unseen God but rather serve familiar spirits of the dead.

Luke 16 in a series of parables beginning in the previous chapter God reveals the true teaching authority as master and Lord. . our unseen Holy Father . Twice to emphasize the the final authority in matters of faith as it is written in the law and prophets (sola scriptura). he declare as it is written in the law and the prophets . . .not after seeking the dead for those still alive on earth

The parable teaching us no man can serve two teaching masters necromancy placing ones faith in the dead And the true witness all things written in the law and the prophets (soala scriptura

In hell represents the wage of sin the sufferings of these bodies of death . Seeking after the dead is a false teaching authority a hierachry of men lording it ove the non verenable pew sitters understanding

Note. . .(Blue in parentheses) my addition

The key ...Luke 16: 13 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.( worldly wisdom earthly inspired by the father of lies. )

The working out of the doctrine of; "No man can serve two teaching masters as Lord" in a parable below. . .

Luke 16: 23-31 And in hell (the sufferings of death wage of sin . .not dead never to rise ) he lift up his eyes, (of ones heart or mind) being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, (as a vision in ones fleshly mind) and Lazarus (representing a believer ) in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. (The sufferings of this life in a body of death ) But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot;(impossible) neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. (impossible) Then he said, (completely ignoring what was just said) I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. (suffering with, being yoked with Christ who makes our burden lighter. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; (sola scriptura) let them hear them. (both witnesses as one witness of God ) And he said,(completely ignoring what was just said) Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

It is clearly not teaching a person will suffer forever and ever with no end. The parable must be rightly divided .Without parables Christ spoke not This is clearly one in a series beginning in 15 that ends in the next chapter. 17.
Sorry, i have been lecturing and Preaching Sermons beginning in 1977, Number of lectures, no need for definitions, that is for "children" in Christ. Matures are so far from the "elementary" and quotes have you not quoted these Scriptures at least over 5,000 times in your life time, i know i have quoted and written and spoke over 10,000 times those pieces of scripture and you are older than me.f

Again, THE 1ST THING YOU LEARN IN addressing anything "concerning" a "Biblical Text" Stay within the TEXT. This Thread is Not about "DEFINITIONS". THE TRUE "sons of GOD" has "ISBE" for that and we are in "agreement" and we walk as one.

"Some Pastors teach HELL Some Don't, Who do You Favor? What does JESUS SAVE us form then?" That is a Question.

Now if you want to do a THREAD on "DEFINITIONS", DO IT! And you can Define anything you please, And i am quite sure, many will stick to "The Title Thread" I am not looking for Definitions, I am to old to tap dance around in circles. stuff i have done and settle over 40 years ago.

The Title is a simple 2 questions WHO DO YOU FAVOR? hell or not. What does Jesus SAVE us FROM then? [ typo form] 2 questions,

am i speaking in "TONGUES"? I am not on here to be taught!
 
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Sorry, i have been lecturing and Preaching Sermons beginning in 1977, Number of lectures, no need for definitions, that is for "children" in Christ. Matures are so far from the "elementary" and quotes have you not quoted these Scriptures at least over 5,000 times in your life time, i know i have quoted and written and spoke over 10,000 times those pieces of scripture and you are older than me.f

Again, THE 1ST THING YOU LEARN IN addressing anything "concerning" a "Biblical Text" Stay within the TEXT. This Thread is Not about "DEFINITIONS". THE TRUE "sons of GOD" has "ISBE" for that and we are in "agreement" and we walk as one.

"Some Pastors teach HELL Some Don't, Who do You Favor? What does JESUS SAVE us form then?" That is a Question.

Now if you want to do a THREAD on "DEFINITIONS", DO IT! And you can Define anything you please, And i am quite sure, many will stick to "The Title Thread" I am not looking for Definitions, I am to old to tap dance around in circles. stuff i have done and settle over 40 years ago.

The Title is a simple 2 questions WHO DO YOU FAVOR? hell or not. What does Jesus SAVE us FROM then? [ typo form] 2 questions,

am i speaking in "TONGUES"? I am not on here to be taught!

Hi thanks for the reply.

There is one teacher our heavenly father not seen. The loving commandment is , call no man on earth teaching master as Lord .

Even the Son of man, Jesus refused to stand in the holy place of the father In that I offer my private interpretation or personal commentary of what I think he teaches us like any person .In that way I believe our agreement is not with each other no man could serve two teaching masters. we walk as two together .Just like the father and Son

I would think if we cannot agree what one word means it would ne like the Tower of Babble or what some call tongues. .That kind of idea would seem to violate the law that protects the integrity of the author .it would be like plagiarism .

Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

What do we favor not who. Hell is sufferings or no suffering

I would think what Jesus saves us from is the second death, the death of death itself according to the letter of the law .(Thou will die never to rise). it kills .It will not rise up and condemn through corruption dying another whole creation.

Jonah 2:2 And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the Lord, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

Hell is a living sufferings that we daily carry out in these bodies of death .There will be no double jeopardy . Jonas suffering the living sufferings of hell he was strengthened by the Lord when he called out . Dead people without a spirit cannot call out to God. Just as was Jesus the first born of the brethren ,Neither died never to rise to life the father who gave them spirit life prevented them from the end of corruption, never to rise again

Psalm 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
 
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Hi thanks for the reply.

There is one teacher our heavenly father not seen. The loving commandment is , call no man on earth teaching master as Lord .

Even the Son of man, Jesus refused to stand in the holy place of the father In that I offer my private interpretation or personal commentary of what I think he teaches us like any person .In that way I believe our agreement is not with each other no man could serve two teaching masters. we walk as two together .Just like the father and Son

I would think if we cannot agree what one word means it would ne like the Tower of Babble or what some call tongues. .That kind of idea would seem to violate the law that protects the integrity of the author .it would be like plagiarism .

Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

What do we favor not who. Hell is sufferings or no suffering

I would think what Jesus saves us from is the second death, the death of death itself according to the letter of the law .(Thou will die never to rise). it kills .It will not rise up and condemn through corruption dying another whole creation.

Jonah 2:2 And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the Lord, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

Hell is a living sufferings that we daily carry out in these bodies of death .There will be no double jeopardy . Jonas suffering the living sufferings of hell he was strengthened by the Lord when he called out . Dead people without a spirit cannot call out to God. Just as was Jesus the first born of the brethren ,Neither died never to rise to life the father who gave them spirit life prevented them from the end of corruption, never to rise again

Psalm 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
What are you doing? Teaching, Quoting, or you just like to write and see yourself think?

I am The Threads Author! I am not asking for instructions, or definitions on words, or "Theological Terminology" or on "Old Testament" Studies or meanings Are you handicap or something, if so I do understand. I have a "Biblical Library" an estimate over $10,000 or better, a collection for over 40 years, and No "Pentecostal", Word of Faith, Prosperity Gospel, Healings, Tongues talking, Materials. And i have read them all, Hebrews Lexicons, Greek Lexicons, Vines. "ISBE", Youngs, Strongs, . Brown-Driver-Briggs, Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, and Old English Dictionaires, related to the to the Original 1611. I have forgotten more than your "LAPTOP" know.

I don't mind, discussing Biblical Threads with you, no matter the level of that discussion, But when, a person veers off course, and begin to "instruct" in a direction they please, instead of sticking with the intended Text! Which is Very "RUDE" and showing completely disrespect to The "ARTHUR of The Thread" with Extreme "PREJUDICE" No matter how soft their words are. :pensive: It Is not right, for there is nothing wrong in drifting a bit,

But you have from your 1st post, have tried your Best, to go into a entire different direction that has nothing to do with The Title Thread. I have used kindness to bring you around but you still have "Bully" yourself like an "UnRuly HEIFER" similar to, what GOD has Describe in the Biblical Text.:pensive:
 
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What are you doing? Teaching, Quoting, or you just like to write and see yourself think?
One is our Good teaching master as Lord not seen.

I like to explain how I hear what the Holy Spirit is saying .He lovingly commands us to study rightly dividing his word by which we can seek the approval of Him not seen. It would seem you hear differently in that way.

There must be heresies amongst us seeing the kingdom does not come by what the eyes see . . rather than faith as it is written. I am sharing my opinion as you are. .Sorry if I do offend it’s not my goal to steal your authorship as beginning the query in regard to the second death, the death of death or the letter of the law.

I am The Threads Author! I am not asking for instructions, or definitions on words, or "Theological Terminology" or on "Old Testament" Studies or meanings Are you handicap or something, if so I do understand. I have a "Biblical Library" an estimate over $10,000 or better, a collection for over 40 years, and No "Pentecostal", Word of Faith, Prosperity Gospel, Healings, Tongues talking, Materials. And i have read them all, Hebrews Lexicons, Greek Lexicons, Vines. "ISBE", Youngs, Strongs, . Brown-Driver-Briggs, Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, and Old English Dictionaires, related to the to the Original 1611. I have forgotten more than your "LAPTOP" know.
I understand but again words have meaning or the discussion turns into the Tower of Babble or the modern day tongue senseless sounds. .You seem to think looking to the foundation of a word is not necessary to understand what is written .

I don't mind, discussing Biblical Threads with you, no matter the level of that discussion, But when, a person veers off course, and begin to "instruct" in a direction they please, instead of sticking with the intended Text! Which is Very "RUDE" and showing completely disrespect to The "ARTHUR of The Thread" with Extreme "PREJUDICE" No matter how soft their words are. It Is not right, for there is nothing wrong in drifting a bit,

But you have from your 1st post, have tried your Best, to go into a entire different direction that has nothing to do with The Title Thread. I have used kindness to bring you around but you still have abble like an "UnRuly HEIFER" similar to, what GOD has Describe in the Biblical Text.
Thanks for your kindness. I see my understanding differently than changing the subject matter, sparks can fly. The author should be able to direct his intent. What do you think the second death is seeing our appointment is for suffering the pangs of hell in these bodies of death . Will there be two trials as in double Jeopardy?

I understand that I should defend the faith as a work of God that works in me .We put in on the like armor of God it defends us.. God is no Bully.
 
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So what are you saying i am evil and you need to protect The Faith Against me! EITHER a person is for The Word of GOD or They promotes the works of The DEVIL! There is no in Between. The enemy of "THE TRUTH" will always explain and give a argument that there is.

AND the Devil told EVE:, “You will not surely die.":pensive:

It is a little late in the game, to try to get "brownie points" with GOD.:pensive:

"Young men is for War, and the Old is for Counsel" Why because the OLD, have suffered in many BATTLES, of "The LORD" have suffered, many wounds, scars, cold nights, deep valley's, many tears, loneliness, and many times left for dead. But we Kept the FAITH! while many turned back, we kept going on in the NAME of JESUS! Some times we had to "crawl" but kept going. And GOD would send those "OLD Praying Warriors" OLD WOMEN in The Faith, They would get together and gather around you and they would CRY real TEARS, Talking to GOD, for you! And they could TALK to HIM! Not like these weak talking people today! When people have lied on you and talked about you behind your back, "BACKBITER", "SLANDERERS" EVIL TALKERS, BECAUSE YOU "PREACHING THAT WORD" Lonely Nights and DARK DAYS! And you heard The VOICE of GOD telling you to Still Fight on, I don't care what they say! And That POWER gives You Strength!
After years in The THE HEAT OF BATTLE, AND THE ENCOURAGEMENT OF THOSE 'OLD CHURCH" MOTHERS, THE "SANCTIFIED AND THE HOLY ONES" THEY Would Talk to GOD all Night on your behave. To give you strength They did more than "Pray" to GOD They TALKED TO HIM! And they taught me by The things they "practice" and I KNOW HOW to TALK to GOD too, AND HE TALKS BACK TO ME! And HE IS My SHEPHERD and I want for NOTHING! For I know my GOD given job. And I Know I am a OLD man, and Fit For "COUNSEL" For i Have the GODLY wounds and The GODLY SCARS to prove it, on my mind and soul...and Body. ......... And I have felt THE "TALONS" of my enemy gripping my "SOUL" as if they where "TALONS of STEEL" that would not let go! AND this too , was The Will of GOD! And NO one knows the FIRE That Keeps me going! And no one knows How i Got this BOLDNESS for The WORD of GOD! BUT I am going to FINISH My COURSE! I am not One of The LUKE WARMS. or "The Beta" males, For The "ALPHA & The OMEGA" dwells in me:pensive: and HIS BLOOD runs deep in my soul, Like "RIVERS of LIVING WATER" Springing Up Into "ETERNAL LIFE"!

HALLELUJAH THANK YOU JESUS!

"For I know in whom I Believe":pensive:

And I don't care What Anyone Thinks, I know "I am a CHILD of GOD" Born of HIs Spirit and Wash in His Blood! "SANCTIFIED" "HOLY"! unto GOD!

Remember your Creator in the days of your youth, before the days of adversity come and the years approach of which you will say, “I find no pleasure in them,” before the light of the sun, moon, and stars is darkened, and the clouds return after the rain,"
 
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So what are you saying i am evil and you need to protect The Faith Against me! EITHER a person is for The Word of GOD or They promotes the works of The DEVIL! There is no in Between. The enemy of "THE TRUTH" will always explain and give a argument that there is.

AND the Devil told EVE:, “You will not surely die.":pensive:

It is a little late in the game, to try to get "brownie points" with GOD.:pensive:

"Young men is for War, and the Old is for Counsel" Why because the OLD, have suffered in many BATTLES, of "The LORD" have suffered, many wounds, scars, cold nights, deep valley's, many tears, loneliness, and many times left for dead. But we Kept the FAITH! while many turned back, we kept going on in the NAME of JESUS! Some times we had to "crawl" but kept going. And GOD would send those "OLD Praying Warriors" OLD WOMEN in The Faith, They would get together and gather around you and they would CRY real TEARS, Talking to GOD, for you! And they could TALK to HIM! Not like these weak talking people today! When people have lied on you and talked about you behind your back, "BACKBITER", "SLANDERERS" EVIL TALKERS, BECAUSE YOU "PREACHING THAT WORD" Lonely Nights and DARK DAYS! And you heard The VOICE of GOD telling you to Still Fight on, I don't care what they say! And That POWER gives You Strength!
After years in The THE HEAT OF BATTLE, AND THE ENCOURAGEMENT OF THOSE 'OLD CHURCH" MOTHERS, THE "SANCTIFIED AND THE HOLY ONES" THEY Would Talk to GOD all Night on your behave. To give you strength They did more than "Pray" to GOD They TALKED TO HIM! And they taught me by The things they "practice" and I KNOW HOW to TALK to GOD too, AND HE TALKS BACK TO ME! And HE IS My SHEPHERD and I want for NOTHING! For I know my GOD given job. And I Know I am a OLD man, and Fit For "COUNSEL" For i Have the GODLY wounds and The GODLY SCARS to prove it, on my mind and soul...and Body. ......... And I have felt THE "TALONS" of my enemy gripping my "SOUL" as if they where "TALONS of STEEL" that would not let go! AND this too , was The Will of GOD! And NO one knows the FIRE That Keeps me going! And no one knows How i Got this BOLDNESS for The WORD of GOD! BUT I am going to FINISH My COURSE! I am not One of The LUKE WARMS. or "The Beta" males, For The "ALPHA & The OMEGA" dwells in me:pensive: and HIS BLOOD runs deep in my soul, Like "RIVERS of LIVING WATER" Springing Up Into "ETERNAL LIFE"!

HALLELUJAH THANK YOU JESUS!

"For I know in whom I Believe":pensive:

And I don't care What Anyone Thinks, I know "I am a CHILD of GOD" Born of HIs Spirit and Wash in His Blood! "SANCTIFIED" "HOLY"! unto GOD!

Remember your Creator in the days of your youth, before the days of adversity come and the years approach of which you will say, “I find no pleasure in them,” before the light of the sun, moon, and stars is darkened, and the clouds return after the rain,"
I would think the faith that comes from hearing God defends all Christians. It is not each other" flesh and blood" that is our enemy. There must be differences as heresies among us as long as men do not do despite to the grace the price new are bought with.

It is God who does make us different. What does any believer have that they have not freely received and if they have received it why would they boast if they had not.

What is your age ? I am 72.
 

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