"Shadow Work" - im a bit confused

[zeth4500]

ive come across this whole thing of "shadow work" some times and this morning i realized, this concept might have been what possessed the catholic priests as well as other respected public figures as they are doing what they can to appear as pure as possible as so they must entirely detach from whats not good and whats sinful
i also knew one woman who uh, "worked" with rich men, at their jobs they would be very dominant. high paid positions. but with her they would pay her to be submissive in all sorts of embarrassing ways and enjoy it
this could be called the shadow taking over you
but is this socalled shadow not just demons talking to you trying to get you to do something, and the further you neglect their ideas, the harder they come onto you- and as with the catholic priests they eventually fail and just become a walking sin machine?


"Shadow work is the process of exploring the unconscious reasons behind your feelings or behaviors, particularly uncomfortable emotions that seem out of character or beyond your control."

for instance, i think my shadow would be my violent tendencies which had great success when i was a child. a number of times kids tried to declare a part of kindergarten or school as belonging to them, i retracted in silence only to come back with a huge log and throw on them or just straight up beat them into the ground. in hindsight i think i did them a valuable lesson, they were all humbled. it worked very well. i didnt go out of my way to be violent
sometimes i feel that im being too passive in my adult life, i honestly dont care about much, i really "turn the other cheek" which is currently making my entire workplace hate my diabolic diabetes coworker that doesnt miss a chance to trashtalk me, lately he has decided that im a gypsy. its quite fun how hes digging his own grave since i dont have issues with anyone else in the whole workshop but him
i understand where hes coming from, hes miserable for so many reasons such as his old age, his disfigured physique, his sexless marriage, his extremely repentless wife and daughter- but he has crossed the line many times
sometimes i do have some ideas of humbling him

is this socalled shadow valid in gods eyes, is this shadow work just demonic influence trying to present itself as valid subconcious stuff?

 

[joestue]

Read this post https://www.reddit.com/r/ChristianMysticism/s/F2UlH7lFQ3

I think that shadow work is valid, but it is something you can get lost in.

These matters are complicated and words mean different things to different people...

Neither John's baptism or Jesus' was a dissociative experience in which you become a completely different person with no memory of your past. So any relationship with God afterwards also involves all your past words and deeds.. and you may be required to do something about such matters, and examine your own motives. Some would call that shadow work.


My wife recently declared that accountability for sin starts at baptism. Im like.. who told you that?! Turns out thats what her catholic upbringing taught her: its part of the reason they baptize babies..

I would expect maximal chaos from christian denominations that teach being born again erases your past sins and motivations to sin and makes you perfectly clean.

 

[zeth4500]

but it is something you can get lost in.

yes one video explained once you unleahs it it can take over and dominate you if you dont have the mental capacity

I would expect maximal chaos from christian denominations that teach being born again erases your past sins and motivations to sin and makes you perfectly clean.

aha, yea that sounds quite ill. sounds like the concept atheists has of christianity and forgiveness. its like you dont have to repent at all, just a free ticket! weekly baptism for any warcriminal that just cant bin that bad habit of habitually murdering thousands of people, same level of lunacy as gay priests

 

[Garee]

ive come across this whole thing of "shadow work" some times and this morning i realized, this concept might have been what possessed the catholic priests as well as other respected public figures as they are doing what they can to appear as pure as possible as so they must entirely detach from whats not good and whats sinful
i also knew one woman who uh, "worked" with rich men, at their jobs they would be very dominant. high paid positions. but with her they would pay her to be submissive in all sorts of embarrassing ways and enjoy it
this could be called the shadow taking over you
but is this socalled shadow not just demons talking to you trying to get you to do something, and the further you neglect their ideas, the harder they come onto you- and as with the catholic priests they eventually fail and just become a walking sin machine?


"Shadow work is the process of exploring the unconscious reasons behind your feelings or behaviors, particularly uncomfortable emotions that seem out of character or beyond your control."

for instance, i think my shadow would be my violent tendencies which had great success when i was a child. a number of times kids tried to declare a part of kindergarten or school as belonging to them, i retracted in silence only to come back with a huge log and throw on them or just straight up beat them into the ground. in hindsight i think i did them a valuable lesson, they were all humbled. it worked very well. i didnt go out of my way to be violent
sometimes i feel that im being too passive in my adult life, i honestly dont care about much, i really "turn the other cheek" which is currently making my entire workplace hate my diabolic diabetes coworker that doesnt miss a chance to trashtalk me, lately he has decided that im a gypsy. its quite fun how hes digging his own grave since i dont have issues with anyone else in the whole workshop but him
i understand where hes coming from, hes miserable for so many reasons such as his old age, his disfigured physique, his sexless marriage, his extremely repentless wife and daughter- but he has crossed the line many times
sometimes i do have some ideas of humbling him

is this socalled shadow valid in gods eyes, is this shadow work just demonic influence trying to present itself as valid subconcious stuff?

Shadows of the good things to come. . the unseen eternal. Many worship shadows of the dead like patron saint gods.

Shadows of death our daily sufferings of hell.Yoked with Christ the burden can be lighter with a future living hope beyond the grave (last breath).

Invisible God who hides. He reveals himself in shadows or parables of the eternal to come Again God who hides and reveals in shadows of the good things to come the eternal

Job 23:9On the left hand, where he doth work, but I cannot behold him: he hideth himself on the right hand, that I cannot see him: (God is not a man as us)

Job 34:29 When he giveth quietness, who then can make trouble? and when he hideth his face, who then can behold him? whether it be done against a nation, or against a man only:

Psalm 10:11 He hath said in his heart, God hath forgotten: he hideth his face; he will never see it.

Job 10:21 Before I go whence I shall not return, even to the land of darkness and the shadow of death;

Ceremonial laws as a sign to the unbelieving world not a sign unto the believer (I did it it proves it).Believers have prohecy till the end of time no shadows .

Remember without parables the signified understanding, using the temporal seen to give us the undestanding of faith, the unseen labor of Christ love . . without parable as shadows Christ speaks not

Hebrew 9:8-10 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:Which was a figure (shadow) for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;;Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. (the shadows disappeared).

The recipe for rightly divided or interpreting parable needed to mix the temporal with the eternal must be used or the can be no gospel understanding . The formula, a must for every bible study.

2 Corinthians 4:18;While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

 

[Gothedral]

Caveat: I was not Christian before I was born again in Christ.
This 'shadow work' stuff should be shunned like sin. The process of repentance is bad enough with the self-awareness of guilt, but we must turn our entire lives over to Christ, our Healer, our Redeemer. God gave us many commandments and that is our work.

Don't quote me, quote Christ chapter and verse on the matter.

 

[B-A-C]

the unseen eternal.

You use this phrase a lot, as if it is in the Bible. Which scripture does this come from?

 

[zeth4500]

Caveat: I was not Christian before I was born again in Christ.
This 'shadow work' stuff should be shunned like sin. The process of repentance is bad enough with the self-awareness of guilt, but we must turn our entire lives over to Christ, our Healer, our Redeemer. God gave us many commandments and that is our work.

Don't quote me, quote Christ chapter and verse on the matter.

what made me really question it all was that its said that the "darkness in our subconcious" is not bad, but as christians we must actively identify what our weakest spots are in terms of sinning and go against it and keep it out where shadow work sometimes sounds like just sinning a bit to relieve the pressure although its not directly addressing it as sin

Psalm 10:11 He hath said in his heart, God hath forgotten: he hideth his face; he will never see it.

dear brother, im unsure of what context your reply is addressing, if you mark a section of text you will get the option of "reply" for that exact text so the context isnt lost

but the things which are not seen are eternal.

yes, glory honor and serving god. bonus points upstairs. unlike materialistic physical assets

 

[Gothedral]

what made me really question it all was ....

First, Christ is capitalized. Quit it with the 'sHaDoW w0rK" psychobabble, for we Christians walk in His Light. Christ is the Way, and He will give you His peace. God be with you.

 

[Garee]

dear brother, im unsure of what context your reply is addressing, if you mark a section of text you will get the option of "reply" for that exact text so the context isnt lost

The context is eternal God not seen. His labor of love or called work of faith(belief) it is made know by the things seen the temporal a shadow of the unseen eternal

As a parable or shadow the temporal must be mixed with the eternal .No mix no gospel according to Hebrews 4:1-2

Hebrews 4:1-2Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
;For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith (the power of God) in them that heard it.

The very valuable mixing formula reveals the mysteries of the parables. . no mix (hebrew4) they remain mysteries or unsolved parables.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal;(shadow) but the things which are not seen are eternal.

 

[Bill]

ive come across this whole thing of "shadow work" some times and this morning i realized, this concept might have been what possessed the catholic priests as well as other respected public figures as they are doing what they can to appear as pure as possible as so they must entirely detach from whats not good and whats sinful
i also knew one woman who uh, "worked" with rich men, at their jobs they would be very dominant. high paid positions. but with her they would pay her to be submissive in all sorts of embarrassing ways and enjoy it
this could be called the shadow taking over you
but is this socalled shadow not just demons talking to you trying to get you to do something, and the further you neglect their ideas, the harder they come onto you- and as with the catholic priests they eventually fail and just become a walking sin machine?


"Shadow work is the process of exploring the unconscious reasons behind your feelings or behaviors, particularly uncomfortable emotions that seem out of character or beyond your control."

for instance, i think my shadow would be my violent tendencies which had great success when i was a child. a number of times kids tried to declare a part of kindergarten or school as belonging to them, i retracted in silence only to come back with a huge log and throw on them or just straight up beat them into the ground. in hindsight i think i did them a valuable lesson, they were all humbled. it worked very well. i didnt go out of my way to be violent
sometimes i feel that im being too passive in my adult life, i honestly dont care about much, i really "turn the other cheek" which is currently making my entire workplace hate my diabolic diabetes coworker that doesnt miss a chance to trashtalk me, lately he has decided that im a gypsy. its quite fun how hes digging his own grave since i dont have issues with anyone else in the whole workshop but him
i understand where hes coming from, hes miserable for so many reasons such as his old age, his disfigured physique, his sexless marriage, his extremely repentless wife and daughter- but he has crossed the line many times
sometimes i do have some ideas of humbling him

is this socalled shadow valid in gods eyes, is this shadow work just demonic influence trying to present itself as valid subconcious stuff?

I guess I'm a little bit too straightforward for that kind of stuff, I don't give myself the time to second guess what other people are doing

 

[joestue]

shadow work sometimes sounds like just sinning a bit to relieve the pressure although its not directly addressing it as sin

i have not heard anything to that effect.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, "I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life." John 8:12

This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all. 1 John 1:5

For you were once darkness, but now [you are] light in the Lord. Walk as children of light Ephesians 5:8

Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? 2 Corinthians 6:14

You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness. 1 Thessalonians 5:5

There are many other scripture verses as well. You can attempt to reason as the world does, but we were given the Word of God for a reason. We can go to the Throne of Mercy & Grace for purpose. You are not without direction if you would walk in it, and abide in Him, our Savior and Lord Jesus Christ.

You can do a search for shadow and come up with a lot in itself but why be concerned with the shadow of things when we have the very Spirit of God and know when you are in the light there is no shadow. We are a new creation and know that one day the former things will be passed away.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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[Garee]

think that shadow work is valid, but it is something you can get lost in.

These matters are complicated and words mean different things to different people...

Parables mean the same things of God.

The Holy Spirit has made it difficult to understand in order to weed out those who do not study to show themselves approved to the Father. But rather seek the approval of dying mankind called antichrists.

In that way parables the signified understnding teach us how to walk by faith . . .Christ's labor of love that works in believers hiding the understanding in the parables. Therefore, hid from unconverted mankind.. Plenty of good examples

 

[joestue]

Parables mean the same things of God.

The Holy Spirit has made it difficult to understand in order to weed out those who do not study to show themselves approved to the Father. But rather seek the approval of dying mankind called antichrists.

In that way parables the signified understnding teach us how to walk by faith . . .Christ's labor of love that works in believers hiding the understanding in the parables. Therefore, hid from unconverted mankind.. Plenty of good examples

The definition of shadow work that i have come to a knowledge of, means that you are working to put effort into understanding your own evil(sin) nature, and doing something about it.

From my own experience, i have had to do that work myself.

But God did not ask me to do it..He put other people in my life with problems that related to my own sin nature, and i found that i could not heal them of their issues, nor pray for them whole heartedly until i overcame my own failings. And then i could, and i saw results.

Why it had to happen that way is because i have no desire to heal myself, outside of an external reason to do so.

 

[Garee]

The definition of shadow work that i have come to a knowledge of, means that you are working to put effort into understanding your own evil(sin) nature, and doing something about it.

From my own experience, i have had to do that work myself.

But God did not ask me to do it..He put other people in my life with problems that related to my own sin nature, and i found that i could not heal them of their issues, nor pray for them whole heartedly until i overcame my own failings. And then i could, and i saw results.

Why it had to happen that way is because i have no desire to heal myself, outside of an external reason to do so.

I would offer.

Shadow work. The temporal dying a shadow of the unseen eternal

Shadow works. . a work of Christ that reveals mankind has come to a knowledge of Christ. Meaning we have seen him who is invisible "face to face" or "faith the invisible power of Christ to faith the same invisible power of Christ not of our own self (faithless powerless)

2 Corinthians 4:5-7;For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.;But we have this treasure (power) in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

Romans 1:16; For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.;For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Christ in us gives us little of his faith or power. Calling believers ye of little faith .Not faulting them for not having enough .

When the disciples knew they were powerless they would pray increase our newborn again faith.


Luke 17:4-6And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.;And the apostles said unto the Lord, Increase our (new born again) faith. . . . . . . .(not of our powerless selves)

 

[joestue]

I would offer.

have you spent any time in communication with anyone who claims to have studied this and done it?

if not.. don't waste your time talking about something you don't understand.

read the top comment here

https://www.reddit.com/r/Jung/comments/1748a31/comment/k48xv0g

"From my point of view the easiest way to become aware of your shadow is by noticing when it has been projected onto other people. Think about the kind of people that get you worked up emotionally and defensive. What qualities do they possess that you find so objectionable? Now consider whether you might actually possess those qualities too. Try to remember any experience where you might have displayed them in the past. By taking ownership of them you will stop thinking that you need to fight them externally but rather keep them in check internally. Take the example of agression, which is a part of the shadow for many modern people. You may have convinced yourself that you are a totally non-aggressive and peaceful person who could never hurt a fly. So when you see people behaving aggressively you condemn them and feel morally superior. But if you reflect deeply enough you'll remember times when you yourself either enacted aggression or at least had an urge to do so. And if you're mindful you'll discover that aggression is still part of your psyche although it may be buried deep under a lot of social conditioning. If you take responsibility for that aspect of your psyche it is actually less likely to take control of you in moments of psychological crisis, and you are then able to utilize whatever abilities it provides (like drive, determination, courage in the face of danger, etc.) The point of shadow work is to correct your self-image so that it reflects your whole self, including any parts that you have hidden from yourself and others out of fear or shame. This may mean you stop seeing yourself as a "good person" and just see yourself as a person with a mixture of good and bad qualities."

This is the basic minimum standard expected of a jew prior to christ....

"To find out unconscious motives behind everyday thoughts and actions. Like, am I asking this person to go out because I love them or because I am insecure and fear being alone? Am I being myself in this situation, or am I playing a role to fit in with my environment? Am I a truthful person, or do I have to insist on my honesty to hide unconscious doubt? Am I trying to convince someone when really I ought to convince myself? Do I truly know what I am talking about? Have I looked for darkness in my virtues? Just in case? Do I dislike something or somebody because they’re bad, or because I don’t understand them? Do I drink alcohol because I like it or because really it quells my anxiety and makes up for the lack of true spirit I should have without it? Finding the shadow is to find the truth behind the words we use and affirmations we make, especially the ones we haven’t given a proper thought." --https://www.reddit.com/r/Jung/comments/1748a31/comment/k49y14h

this is all pretty basic self introspection.


when we have a problem spiritually or physically between God, ourselves, others... it takes work to fix it.

we don't just pray the problems away.

the pagans might call it shadow work but to the jew they call it meditating on the torah.

 

[Garee]

have you spent any time in communication with anyone who claims to have studied this and done it?

if not.. don't waste your time talking about something you don't understand.

read the top comment here

https://www.reddit.com/r/Jung/comments/1748a31/comment/k48xv0g

"From my point of view the easiest way to become aware of your shadow is by noticing when it has been projected onto other people. Think about the kind of people that get you worked up emotionally and defensive. What qualities do they possess that you find so objectionable? Now consider whether you might actually possess those qualities too. Try to remember any experience where you might have displayed them in the past. By taking ownership of them you will stop thinking that you need to fight them externally but rather keep them in check internally. Take the example of agression, which is a part of the shadow for many modern people. You may have convinced yourself that you are a totally non-aggressive and peaceful person who could never hurt a fly. So when you see people behaving aggressively you condemn them and feel morally superior. But if you reflect deeply enough you'll remember times when you yourself either enacted aggression or at least had an urge to do so. And if you're mindful you'll discover that aggression is still part of your psyche although it may be buried deep under a lot of social conditioning. If you take responsibility for that aspect of your psyche it is actually less likely to take control of you in moments of psychological crisis, and you are then able to utilize whatever abilities it provides (like drive, determination, courage in the face of danger, etc.) The point of shadow work is to correct your self-image so that it reflects your whole self, including any parts that you have hidden from yourself and others out of fear or shame. This may mean you stop seeing yourself as a "good person" and just see yourself as a person with a mixture of good and bad qualities."

This is the basic minimum standard expected of a jew prior to christ....

"To find out unconscious motives behind everyday thoughts and actions. Like, am I asking this person to go out because I love them or because I am insecure and fear being alone? Am I being myself in this situation, or am I playing a role to fit in with my environment? Am I a truthful person, or do I have to insist on my honesty to hide unconscious doubt? Am I trying to convince someone when really I ought to convince myself? Do I truly know what I am talking about? Have I looked for darkness in my virtues? Just in case? Do I dislike something or somebody because they’re bad, or because I don’t understand them? Do I drink alcohol because I like it or because really it quells my anxiety and makes up for the lack of true spirit I should have without it? Finding the shadow is to find the truth behind the words we use and affirmations we make, especially the ones we haven’t given a proper thought." --https://www.reddit.com/r/Jung/comments/1748a31/comment/k49y14h

this is all pretty basic self introspection.


when we have a problem spiritually or physically between God, ourselves, others... it takes work to fix it.

we don't just pray the problems away.

the pagans might call it shadow work but to the jew they call it meditating on the torah.

The kind of shadow I am suggesting is in respect to parables Christ's figure of speech which without Christ spoke not even once.

It has nothing to do with a Jew or gentile. God is not a Jew nor Gentile.

 

[joestue]

The kind of shadow I am suggesting is in respect to parables Christ's figure of speech which without Christ spoke not even once.

It has nothing to do with a Jew or gentile. God is not a Jew nor Gentile.

then it has nothing to do with OP's concerns...

 

[zeth4500]

First, Christ is capitalized.

same goes for "god" but last i looked into it, it wasnt a sin to not capitalize

Quit it with the 'sHaDoW w0rK" psychobabble

if its a sin then sure otherwise ill utilize anything i can

As a parable or shadow the temporal must be mixed with the eternal

so you think the socalled shadow is infact valid and not bad, and not sinful?

The context is eternal God not seen. His labor of love or called work of faith(belief) it is made know by the things seen the temporal a shadow of the unseen eternal

i really dont know what to make of this but im starting to assume you want me to take wild leaps in my interpretation
so you think i should try to incorporate my "shadow" or my "evil side" into my everyday life

i have not heard anything to that effect.

"Shadow work is about reincorporating/reintegrating the parts of yourself that you've denied permission to exist within yourself."
for instance lets say, i deep down want to be violent. violence is virtually always a sin, right. so if i allow my shadow to make actions with my body, that is allowing sin. yes?

We are not of the night nor of darkness.

yea thats where i get suspicious of this "shadow work" stuff, it doesnt really sound holy and there were some unspoken things that i couldnt really pinpoint, sounds like some lowtier demonic influence stuff

understanding your own evil(sin) nature, and doing something about it.

yes but the issue is then when they want to release it and let it be part of your life where it can then destabilize who you should be, as they claim many who just became aware but couldnt contain it- .. how? its all very vague and sounds a bit like summoning a demon by first of all validating it

nor pray for them whole heartedly until i overcame my own failings. And then i could, and i saw results.

yes that part of it makes a lot of sense, projections of out own shortcomings although i frankly dont relate, but i see it a lot. i really hate narcissists, but it just happens to be because narcissists are possessed and thats the people the devil always sends into goodwilled peoples lives to take advantage of and to demoralize us in being good and helpful, nothing to do with who or what i am - and this shadow work would claim we should try to own that, but in that i would have to assume i am one of them and start being like them "accepting" their wrongs as right, and make myself wrong in the process? it seems very silly, maybe to the average man that loathes and lives in jealousy- but what man is that? a woman trapped in a mans body. an inverted organism that works for the devil. it all sounds like it could be treated by simply repenting and returning to the father

faith the invisible power of Christ to faith the same invisible power of Christ

brother, i believe you are struggling with spiritual influence that is making you speak in confusing parabels
allow me to rebuke thee..

ecclesian 6:11

read through all the translations of this, and you will understand obtuse writings dont add anything godly, if you are trying to convey a message, being a concise helps but your writings are very confusing, and it seems you get lost in the writings yourself before the sentence is over
i have known possessed individuals who would type out lenghty confusing paragraphs due to spiritual inflictions
i hope my rebuke can be found useful to you as we are not always aware when we stray, god bless with all due respect

this is all pretty basic self introspection.

essentially, but we must be careful when dabbling with someone that has been rebranded- such as when hollywood produces new versions of old movie classics with a touch of feminism, or like when the church decides to be a bit modern and invite a gay priest to "preach"

then it has nothing to do with OP's concerns...

you might be onto something.

 

[Garee]

so you think the socalled shadow is infact valid and not bad, and not sinful?

Parables, Not a salvation issue more of enriching tool.

Parables (prophecy) teach us how to walk by faith (Not of our own self).

Faith the unseen things or "Let there be" power of Christ. . the husband

I think if we do not mix the temporal historical with the unseen eternal according to the recipe (2 Corinthians 4:18) needed to rightly divide or interpret the parables. Then if no mix the mystery of the parable remains a mystery (Hebrews 4:1-2)

NOTE . . . . (RED) .. . .Eternal God Christ

NOTE. . . . (GREEN) . . .Born again believers

NOTE. . . . BLACK. . .Un-redeemed mankind

Hebrew 4:1-2 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.