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You put it in that context. You are not the author.
Christ is a Spirit. How do you lead them to a Spirit?
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Nobody is allowed to teach the bible if they cannot grasp context. So Paul saved them. Jesus didn't need to go to the cross....
Why do you believe
you know the correct
context of the author?
I would say that if the author intended it to be in the context of leading
He would have said as much. He did not. He said save.
He said nothing of leading anyone to Jesus.
You did.
Maybe this is why there is so much division
even in the days of Paul.
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The Holy Spirit is here for this purpose. He makes Jesus real to us. 1 Cor 12:3 Nobody calls Jesus Lord except by the Holy Spirit.
Before the Holy Spirit, God did it. Matt 16:16-17 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God. Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.
So no one can lead anyone to Christ.
Therefore Paul was not talking about leading anyone to Jesus.
As you implied by what you said.
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You cannot read anything from anyone out of its context. Paul is clear on many occasions that it is Jesus that saves.
I am going to be pedantic on this as many like to keep a scorecard of how many they claim to have saved. It is so funny and such a Christianity fail. As I have shown above.
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We can lead people to Jesus. But nobody can lay claim to getting someone saved.
How many people have you lead to Jesus?
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What are you here for @resipsa ? It seems the many threads you have started are purely
for the sake of argument.
When a pitcher in baseball pitches a "no hitter". That doesn't really mean no one ever hit the ball.
What it really means is, no one ever got on base.
In fact there's never been a game where every single pitch thrown was a strike. Almost always there
are out fielder catching pop-ups and fly balls. The other thing that happens is an infielder catches
a hop ball and throws the runner out at first before he gets there.
So the pitcher gets the credit for winning the game, but a pitcher has never won a game by himself.
The Bible talks about those who water, who plant, who sow, and the harvest. It talks about
"fishers of men". Who gets credit for a saving those people? Well it's Jesus who ultimately saves
them. But God often uses people to turn people around. Every prophet in the old testament
and every disciple in the new testament was just a person that God used to "save people".
How many people did Paul save? It's hard to know, because in one sense people are still
reading his book and still getting saved. They probably wouldn't have gotten saved without reading
his books. Some people would have never gotten saved in they never heard Billy Graham.
Some people would have never gotten saved in Peter, James, and John never preached to them.
There are people in this world that will never get saved unless someone witnesses to them and shares the
gospel with them. So in a sense... these people are "saving" people. But it's still Jesus who ultimately
saves.
If a ship goes down in frigid waters, I might be the one who "saves" you from freezing to death.
By pulling you out of the water into the lifeboat, but ultimately it's the lifeboat that keeps you out
of the water.
for the sake of argument.
When a pitcher in baseball pitches a "no hitter". That doesn't really mean no one ever hit the ball.
What it really means is, no one ever got on base.
In fact there's never been a game where every single pitch thrown was a strike. Almost always there
are out fielder catching pop-ups and fly balls. The other thing that happens is an infielder catches
a hop ball and throws the runner out at first before he gets there.
So the pitcher gets the credit for winning the game, but a pitcher has never won a game by himself.
The Bible talks about those who water, who plant, who sow, and the harvest. It talks about
"fishers of men". Who gets credit for a saving those people? Well it's Jesus who ultimately saves
them. But God often uses people to turn people around. Every prophet in the old testament
and every disciple in the new testament was just a person that God used to "save people".
How many people did Paul save? It's hard to know, because in one sense people are still
reading his book and still getting saved. They probably wouldn't have gotten saved without reading
his books. Some people would have never gotten saved in they never heard Billy Graham.
Some people would have never gotten saved in Peter, James, and John never preached to them.
There are people in this world that will never get saved unless someone witnesses to them and shares the
gospel with them. So in a sense... these people are "saving" people. But it's still Jesus who ultimately
saves.
If a ship goes down in frigid waters, I might be the one who "saves" you from freezing to death.
By pulling you out of the water into the lifeboat, but ultimately it's the lifeboat that keeps you out
of the water.
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Not when his name was Paul.
Why did He change his name?
And why do you believe that matters what you believe about Him?
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Not by power, nor by might, but by my Spirit, saith the Lord. Amen.
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Luke 24:39; "See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have."
1 Jn 4:1; Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
1 Jn 4:2; By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God;
Acts 1:11; They also said, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come back in just the same way as you have watched Him go into heaven."
