• Welcome to Talk Jesus

    A true bible based, Jesus centered online community. Join over 11,000 members today

    Register Log In

Satanic Counterfeits Amongst the Church

Users who viewed this discussion (Total:0)

Member


He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. - John 8:44

We have to remember that Satan is the father of lies. He is a murderer from the beginning and dwells in falsehood. He never wants the glory to go to Jesus Christ but rather twists the truth and deceives those in the Lord’s work to take glory to themselves. Satan is also the master counterfeiter who has been deceiving God’s people since the beginning. He spoke to Eve and deceived her by twisting the truth of God saying, “Has God indeed said?” Such twisting of the truth is his normal activity. Since the earliest days of the apostles, even with our Lord himself, there were deceivers and false brethren present: those who secretly come into God’s flock for personal gain and to infiltrate the liberty of the believers, betrayers, deceivers, false brethren, false prophets, and those desiring preeminence among the saints (3 John 1:9). Diotrephes and one's like him did not seek honour in the church as much as sought his own truth, his own way and seperated himself from the doctrines of the Apostles and all the other Churches. He was stubborn to think he was right and all others were wrong. A false teacher is always who is in admidst but then seeks to draw people "out of" towards themselves. Just like satan, these false teachers do not have, "the truth in them."

One key to understand the working of God versus Satan in a meeting of believers is the emphasis put on the Son of God. Those that worship, honor, and glorify the Holy Spirit more than Jesus Christ are not led by the Holy Spirit to do that. The Holy Spirit will always honor Jesus Christ; thus the true working of the Spirit can be distinguished in measure. The Scripture states: “He shall not speak of himself” (John 16:13). All early Church creed statements always elevate the work of the cross and the incarnation of the Son of God. In the end times, there will be an influx of those in the Church teaching doctrines of demons to deceive even the elect of God. There will be many false teachers who claim to be of the truth but are not. The most dangerous weapon against the Church is not persecution, but deception. One key feature of these deceptions is that there is something new offered, when rather we should be seeking to believe the truth that is old and that which the Church has held to from the beginning.
 
Unworthy Servant
Staff Member
Greetings,

Thank you Greg.
Yes. Before the Son of God, Jesus Christ, came in the flesh, as we see in Scripture, and even afterwards, when talking of the LORD a remembrance was often made of the deliverance from the bondage of Egypt, the parting of the sea, the escape from oppression and the miraculous feeding of manna. Also as often remembrances (or is it re-remembrances?) of the LORD being the Creator and sustainer, the keeper of the waves, the sender of rain.

In the same way, we who are now part of His body, who are not different but the same body as the church ever was, ought to remember to each other the deliverance from darkness, the freeing from the enemy, with like miraculous events and signs given for all to see and bear witness to, that the Lord Jesus Christ has delivered us with, for we are the same tribe, the same people of God and He is the same God as He was then.

There is a serious deception as you have well said and near most have been or are getting ensnared by it and as you rightly pointed out, the clue, the evidence, is in that Scripture you gave, “He shall not speak of himself” (John 16:13).
The time is at hand.
When the sheep are separated from the goats there will be a reckoning of our boastings in this life which will testify against many who spent their time exalting the helper above the Son, who talk always about what they have done, referring to the damnable heresy of modern days where the sign demanded of being born again is spirit centered, seeking a sign, rather than believing in the Son. A cult is deceiving the culture of the Church which has its foundation in the prophets and apostles.

In the days when Jesus walked among us there was gnashing of teeth and tearing of clothes and they sought after how they might kill Him ... because He spoke truth and exposed the lies and that offended the liars.

God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by Whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world. Galatians 6:14

Thank you for sharing your post with us,

Bless you ....><>
 
Last edited:
Member
John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lust of your father ye will do. Here Christ is pointing out this group of people known as kernites. Their father was the devil, Satan own offspring. Many don't realize that Satan has sired children here in earth and his first child was Cain. He was a murderer from the beginning, Now who was the first murderer? It was Cain, he was the first murderer. He slew his brother Able.
 
Member
When the sheep are separated from the goats there will be a reckoning of our boastings in this life which will testify against many who spent their time exalting the helper above the Son, who talk always about what they have done, referring to the damnable heresy of modern days where the sign demanded of being born again is spirit centered, seeking a sign, rather than believing in the Son. A cult is deceiving the culture of the Church which has its foundation in the prophets and apostles.
Wonderful comments and very true.
 
Active
referring to the damnable heresy of modern days where the sign demanded of being born again is spirit centered, seeking a sign, rather than believing in the Son.
This is completely unscriptural, and goes against the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles...

Mark 16:17
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; etc, etc...

Acts 2:4
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Romans 15:19
Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum,
I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.

Hebrews 2:3-4 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord,
and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost,
according to his own will?

1Corinthians 12:4
Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
1Corinthians 12:10-11 (more signs)
To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues;
to another the interpretation of tongues:
11 But all these work that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

when rather we should be seeking to believe the truth that is old and that which the Church has held to from the beginning.
 
Unworthy Servant
Staff Member
Greetings,

This is completely unscriptural, and goes against the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles...

Mark 16:17
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; etc, etc...

Acts 2:4
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Romans 15:19
Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum,
I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.

Hebrews 2:3-4 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord,
and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost,
according to his own will?

1Corinthians 12:4
Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
1Corinthians 12:10-11 (more signs)
To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues;
to another the interpretation of tongues:
11 But all these work that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
it appears that you mis-read what you quoted?

Amos 5:24 But let judgment run down as waters, and righteousness as a mighty stream.

Bless you ....><>
 

Similar threads


Top