• Welcome to Talk Jesus

    A true bible based, Jesus centered online community. Join over 13,000 members today

    Register Log In

Reasons to forgive others

Users who viewed this discussion (Total:0)

Member
There are four reasons why we have to forgive others unceasingly (Matt. 18:21-35). The first reason is that Jesus took the punishment of the sins of all human beings upon Himself by dying on the cross (Matt. 26:28). He therefore, fulfilled, the requirement of the law, which is to pay the price for our offenses. The second reason is that we are created to love and love (who is God) is always forgiving. The third reason is that, we our selves are sinners. How then can we point a finger at another person? This is well illustrated in the incidence when her accusers brought a woman caught in the act of adultery (John 8:1-11) to Jesus before they were going to stone her to death. Jesus told to her accusers, that the one without sin should throw the first stone. None of them were without sin. They therefore, walked away. The fourth reason is that God (who is infinite) has forgiven us of all our grave offenses we have committed against Him; we therefore, have to forgive our fellow human beings of their offenses. This reason is illustrated in the story of the unforgiving servant (Matt. 18:21-34) whose master forgave him of a very large sum of money. He in turn however, did not forgive his fellow worker of a much smaller sum. This of course did not go well with the master who then severely punished the servant.
 
Member
Reasons to Forgive

arunangelo said:
There are four reasons why we have to forgive others unceasingly (Matt. 18:21-35). The first reason is that Jesus took the punishment of the sins of all human beings upon Himself by dying on the cross (Matt. 26:28). He therefore, fulfilled, the requirement of the law, which is to pay the price for our offenses. The second reason is that we are created to love and love (who is God) is always forgiving. The third reason is that, we our selves are sinners. How then can we point a finger at another person? This is well illustrated in the incidence when her accusers brought a woman caught in the act of adultery (John 8:1-11) to Jesus before they were going to stone her to death. Jesus told to her accusers, that the one without sin should throw the first stone. None of them were without sin. They therefore, walked away. The fourth reason is that God (who is infinite) has forgiven us of all our grave offenses we have committed against Him; we therefore, have to forgive our fellow human beings of their offenses. This reason is illustrated in the story of the unforgiving servant (Matt. 18:21-34) whose master forgave him of a very large sum of money. He in turn however, did not forgive his fellow worker of a much smaller sum. This of course did not go well with the master who then severely punished the servant.
I recently have been studying Forgiveness and had some personal issues that needed working on and something that I came accross that certainly convicted me to start studying Forgiveness was Matthew 6:14-15 For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your Heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.
As I have been prayerfully working on this I have been granted so many miraculous blessings and so much freedom. I am certainly not complete in this area but I am much better than I was before and I also found it surprising that while working on forgiveness in reguards to certain people, I have in the process without realizing it somewhere along the line forgiven others as well. Oh how I Love the Lord and how He works in my life. There are just so many blessings awaiting all of us and we can have those here as well as in Heaven as long as we listen closely to where He wants to lead us, and alot of times it means for us to be like Peter and get outta the Boat. It is fun to be a 'Water Walker!!'
Yours in Him! :rose:
God Bless, Love, Peace and Prayers,
 
Last edited:
Member
Forgiveness is fundanetal pinciple that we should practice.

Few people know that at the time of Jesus the word Church meant a set of principles to live by.

The following scripture is not taken out of context,

But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. Matthew 6:15 :thumbs_up

:love: Yeshua :boy_hug:



arunangelo said:
There are four reasons why we have to forgive others unceasingly (Matt. 18:21-35). The first reason is that Jesus took the punishment of the sins of all human beings upon Himself by dying on the cross (Matt. 26:28). He therefore, fulfilled, the requirement of the law, which is to pay the price for our offenses. The second reason is that we are created to love and love (who is God) is always forgiving. The third reason is that, we our selves are sinners. How then can we point a finger at another person? This is well illustrated in the incidence when her accusers brought a woman caught in the act of adultery (John 8:1-11) to Jesus before they were going to stone her to death. Jesus told to her accusers, that the one without sin should throw the first stone. None of them were without sin. They therefore, walked away. The fourth reason is that God (who is infinite) has forgiven us of all our grave offenses we have committed against Him; we therefore, have to forgive our fellow human beings of their offenses. This reason is illustrated in the story of the unforgiving servant (Matt. 18:21-34) whose master forgave him of a very large sum of money. He in turn however, did not forgive his fellow worker of a much smaller sum. This of course did not go well with the master who then severely punished the servant.
 
Member
Unconditional Forgiveness

One of my Brothers once claimed,
“You cannot forgive someone who has not asked for it first!
The command to forgive is always proceeded by the conditional "if he repent." Thus, it is true that we can't forgive someone without them repenting first. However, we should always maintain a spirit and willingness to forgive them if they repent. This scripture does not say "If thy brother trespass against thee, forgive him." These are the very necessary steps of rebuking and repenting that come before forgiveness.”

Luke 17:3-4
3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him. 4 And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.

But there is a BETTER WAY!

My response was “It is My choice, I choose who and how often, I forgive!
I choose to forgive regardless of weather or not they ask... SO, I am quick to forgive and long suffering in instruction.

Thus, my Brother should be reconciled to God and I will reproof him accordingly. After that, it is between Him and God. If God draws him to me after that then, so be it. If in fact my brother does turn to me requesting forgiveness, my forgiveness then turns to forgetfulness. But I tell you this, I try my best, to have already forgiven him, as the very words of sin fall from his lips!

I would much rather be disappointed in my brother’s stumbling actions then angry and offended and “Lightning Fast Forgiveness” grants me that grace. Mind You, this is VERY hard at times. But I get A LOT of practice just by being a Pentecostal Christian! Ha ha ha!

I consider holding anyone in a state of un-forgiveness The SAME as “holding a Grudge” . Therefore, because of my absolute Love for my brother, I will not hold anyone in account for more then 2 seconds! Because, Jesus knows, I have quite an account making ability myself!

Who am I, to hold another in moral debt, after what Jesus forgave ME for!

I have been forgiven MUCH , so I chose to love Much and forgive quickly!


Matthew 6:14-15
14 "For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

So, If you get forgiven the same way you forgive others; How much cooler is unconditional forgiveness! If I forgive my brother for his trespasses against me the moment the trespass falls from his lips, how much quicker is Jesus going to forgive me? Woo Hooo!

I like forgiving my brethren before they repent… In fact, the few occasions they have come back to me asking for forgiveness, I surprised them! I say, “forgiveness for what?” because I quite honestly have forgotten what they have done! Then they have to remind me and I say “oh, that? I forgave you the moment it happened! But, I am Glad Jesus has helped you thru that situation...East to West” , everyone is happy. The bridge is strong between us and we move on to MUCH better things.

Also, it has been mentioned that My forgiveness does not take effect until the trespasser repents...hmmmm... Well, it was in affect for me the instant I did it! As for my fallen Brother? That is between only Him and God...as it should be...

What I am trying to say is that, instant unconditional forgiveness is pure. It releases you from the burden of waiting on a fallible human or institution to bring you closure and release from your hurt.

Thus, you should forgive and forget the trespasses of even an old congregation that you may feel has wronged you. That way, you can honestly say, "They didn't mean that...because every one there, loves me, and I love them. Sure, they stumbled but then so do I. So what! It is over... And I am sure Jesus has helped them or is helping them grow thru that, even now..."

BOOM! You are free from your hurt!

My Brother then asked:
If we are supposed to confront our brothers in love about their offenses against us, how can we do this if we have forgiven them (as you define it). If we have forgiven them then we have forgotten their wrongs against us, but how can we confront them with something we have forgotten?

I say, Be quick to forgive, Be what I call “longsuffering in instruction”… When the words come that are wrong. Forgive them instantly, knowing the brother who has wronged you has done so out of imperfection and confusion, have compassion for him because something has happened that has caused him to slip and fall. After all he who loved you would never hurt you unless he were confused. When a friend trips and fall you run to him and say “are you alright” out of concern. Even so when he trips and falls on you. Nature says “get off of me” out of self defense. But grace says “Ouch! That hurt, are YOU alright? What made you trip?”

When I am wronged I say not “how could they” But I say, “what has happened to them to make them fall?” Then, I forgive them! Boom! Anger GONE!

After that, I let them know that their actions are not right with the character of Jesus and tell them they should prey about it… Then I try to forget because I will not hurt my brethren anymore by focusing on, or remind them, of their self dishonor. (That is what the enemy does to steal joy and I refuse to be like that little punk!) If Jesus wishes to step in, then so be it. He will reproof and correct. After doing this, I can then cast the offence into the sea. If my brother is brought before me, under the conviction of God, then that situation is for my brother’s growth! Not mine! Sure, I learn something from it too, but my brothers repentance is a point were new growth can start for him. It is at this time we can build him up to resist the thing that tripped him in the first place by asking what the DEEPER reason was it that caused him to stumble. “You were forgiven the moment it happened, but, we still need to figure out what exactly happened, fallowed by, how can we both Grow from this lesson….?”

Of course this may NEVER happen, as the case with my ex-wife, but I have released her with forgiveness’ and then cast (what I call) the “veil of forced innocence” over the unbelievable agony that I suffered from her sin, and thus her transgression became light enough to drag to the alter and cast it into the sea! Then Jesus gave me the ability to be ready to always receive someone’s request for forgiveness and to still be ready to meekly help them see deeper into God’s Love, if they do return to you, Long suffering in instruction… Be ready to give and never expect to receive! (That is what Jesus did on the Cross and I want to be like HIM!) Especially unto your beloved Brethren who struggle as you do.

Thus Luke 6:27-30 still stands:
27 "But I say to you who listen: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. 29 If anyone hits you on the cheek, offer the other also. And if anyone takes away your coat, don't hold back your shirt either. 30 Give to everyone who asks from you, and from one who takes away your things, don't ask for them back.


My brother then said:
”So basically, you find comfort by lying about what really happened. Where is that in the Bible? I think you can think on love without lying about what happened. “

my response to this is:
To say this, is to say, what many others reflexively say, in error:
“I am willing to forgive you ----BUT---- Look at this Bruise! God, it hurts! How could they have done this to me! How can I possibly not see or feel that which truly Happened? You had better apologize for the way you have treated me! Have I NOT been wronged? How could you? Where is your love?”

1 Corinthians 13:4-8 Does NOT say…
4 Love avoids pain and is sometimes unkind; love wants what you have; love exalts it ' s importance, and is prideful; 5 does sometimes behave rudely, just to show you your weakness, because you provoked a response, due to your evil actions; 6 love enjoys when you fall, believes truth is relative; 7 it takes the light load, believes only what it sees, waits stubbornly for proof, is critical and only tolerates. 8 Love gives up.


We should be saying in love:
“I forgave you already! ----For---- I am sure this Bruise was and accident! Don’t worry about me, why did you do what you did, are you Ok with God?! What did I do to make you stumble? I refuse to see what happened to me. What matters is how we can both grow from what happened between us? I have NOT been wronged? You would never do that, because you Love me, as I love you.”

1 Corinthians 13:4-8 Does say
4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; 5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; 6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; 7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. 8 Love never fails.

When you have been wronged, it is not about YOU, it is about your fallen Brother and the painful opportunity that has been presented for Christ to grow BIGGER in them because of the situation! After all, we are "our brother’s keeper" and our brother sometimes messes up! When this happens, he needs to be inspired by God’s unconditional love and forgiveness thru us, so he can hopefully become a better keeper for us when we fall.

–cause, you KNOW, we will

So, go forth my Brethren! and Forgive Unconditionally!!!
 
Administrator
Staff Member
Great post Newman thanks for sharing. Forgiveness is important no doubt, hands down. Jesus Christ, Son of GOD and GOD Himself forgave us. We were His enemies as much as the devil was His and now ours. If we do not forgive others, we make them enemies with us and make ourselves once again enemies with our GOD.

The only enemy that should be and is, is the DEFEATED DEVIL himself.
 
Member
I used to hate, but it did not make me happy.
after following Jesus, I did forgive people (either non-believers or christians).
You know what. It makes me happy and peaceful.
It is amazing. I feel I win my biggest enemy, that is myself.
Me is sinnful. If I lose myself, I can get Jesus' love.
 
Member
Hmm,

"Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you." - Ephesians 4:32

To one another...so that means. For example, if two Christians get into an argument and say harsh things to each other but end up confessing/apologizing to each other, one should forgive the other and vice-versa.

But also forgive anyone who sins against you because God has forgiven you for sinning against him. Of course, the person will have to confess to God though for the sin alone, but the wrongdoing act that he/she inflicted against you can be forgiven by you.

Person who did wrong: "I apologize for doing such and such towards you..."
Victim: "You are forgiven"

I don't know how to explain lol...my interpretation could be wrong, ah well...
 
Member
Yeshua said:
Few people know that at the time of Jesus the word Church meant a set of principles to live by.


Can I ask where you found this information? According to my research the origin of the word church is unknown.The word used in the original Greek text is ekklesia every time you see church with the acception in Acts19:37 where the greek word is hierosulos.

Ek-klesia comes from two greek words, the first is ek- meaning; out of, the second kaleo- meaning; to call.
 
Member
Thank you for this thread. It is a good reminder to not hold anger against others. I sometimes catch myself being unforgiving and it does not feel good.

Matt 5:39-42
But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40 And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. 41 If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
(from New International Version)
 

Similar threads

Top