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A church that focuses on rapture is more likely to have hope set on escape from the trials of life on earth.
Hello @Sue D. I'm struggling to see where in the Bible the expectation of a 7 year tribulation period comes from. Can you point me in the right direction?The difficult times we go through now and have gone through in the past is nothing compared to what will take place during the 7 yr tribulation period.
, you earn rewards in heaven salvation is a gift, big difference, there are promises of rewards all over scripture.Maybe there are those who feel that surviving the 7 yrs. will earn them better standing with God for eternity. But that would be more of a works' based salvation.
Thank you. I've looked at this a bit, and there's not a consensus on the seventy weeks of years timeline. But surely the best fits for 'bringing sacrifice and offerings to and end would be Antiochus Epiphanes desecration of the temple, or the 70ad destruction of the temple? I can't see a good reason to imagine the last week is a future event for us.@Hekuran -- Yes, go to Daniel 9: vs 24 - the end of the chapter -- in particular vs 26 & 27 -- a covenant for one week / the last 7 yr period of time of the 70 weeks mentioned in vs 24. // that last 'week' is in the future -- in the middle of that week 3 1/2 years 'he shall bring to an end the sacrifice and offerings' -- the last 3 1/2 yrs. is the Great Tribulation -- when the Antichrist comes to power. Or satan enters who ever is in power at that time and 'turns' on the people.
And during that future 7 yrs is when God is Again dealing with the Jews who have not accepted Him as their promised Messiah. And during which time / going back to Rev 7 / the 144,000 Jews are sealed and go to evangelize and the multitudes
vs 14 these are those who came out of the great tribulation -- the multitudes from all over the world who come to Christ as a result.
And there has to be a pre-trib rapture Because that is the Church / all born again believers / being gathered up by Christ and the marriage super of the Lamb takes place. in heaven.
And, Why should born again believers have to experience the wrath of God? We're the one's who've accepted Him. Everyone is experiencing the wrath of the rest of the world / mankind -- but God's wrath will be very different as we can see from Revelation.
Maybe there are those who feel that surviving the 7 yrs. will earn them better standing with God for eternity. But that would be more of a works' based salvation. Or a person wanting to earn more crowns. Or being willing to die as a martyr during those 7 years will gain them 'standing'. When there have been people dying a martyrs death all through history / past and present. And it will still be happening during those 7 yrs.
So -- 'this' is my 'pointing'.
Rev 11:2; "Leave out the court which is outside the temple and do not measure it, for it has been given to the nations; and they will tread under foot the holy city for forty-two months.Hello @Sue D. I'm struggling to see where in the Bible the expectation of a 7 year tribulation period comes from. Can you point me in the right direction?
There is no record of this in any Jewish archives.Thank you. I've looked at this a bit, and there's not a consensus on the seventy weeks of years timeline. But surely the best fits for 'bringing sacrifice and offerings to and end would be Antiochus Epiphanes desecration of the temple, or the 70ad destruction of the temple? I can't see a good reason to imagine the last week is a future event for us.
Meet the lord in the air? Do you think it's spiritual? That hard to believe.The word "rapture" isn't in the Bible, it simply means "gather up" or "catch up". Usually what people mean when they say this, is there won't be a "pre-trib" rapture.
But there will certainly be a rapture. Here are the verses that say so.
Matt 24:31; "And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.
Mark 13:27; "And then He will send forth the angels, and will gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest end of the earth to the farthest end of heaven.
1Thes 4:17; Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.
To say there is no rapture at all, is the say these verses are wrong. Now the timing of it, is another thing. It will likely happen after the tribulation,or possibly in the middle.
Which is what this guy seems to be saying in effect.
God said it would be like in the days of Noah....So, in the day of Noah, who was taken and who was left? Yeah the good guys were taken and the bad guys died. Yet this man says the opposite. The bad guys are taken up and the good guys get to stay and whatever....This man needs to take his Romanist teaching and use what the bible says instead. He's a false teacher.What do yall think
The word 'rapture' is in the bible...In Greek. έκσταση ékstasiTeachings on the rapture are a confused mess. I think this teacher did a great job of cutting through the noise and misunderstandings.
The Bible doesn't use the word 'rapture', and we would be better off abandoning the word.
B-A-C is correct to say that when Jesus returns in glory we will all be gathered to him. But we can use the perfectly suitable English word 'gather' when we talk about this.
The notion that God will remove the church from the world has no foundation in the Bible at all.
Rapture teaching is damaging because it leads people into unbiblical hope and expectation. A church that focuses on rapture is more likely to have hope set on escape from the trials of life on earth.
True biblical hope is in Jesus returning to set all wrongs right, reconcile creation to himself, and to reign in glory.
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