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question, resurrection and Paul

jari

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Hi ,
I read from letter to Philippians at chapter 3 where apostle Paul speaks about attaining resurrection of the dead, which raises a few questions.

First I'm not sure why the apostle Paul speaks about "attaining unto the resurrection", when it's God's grace by how we are saved?

Second question is that could apostle Paul mean the resurrection where the saints rised when Jesus rised? (Mat 27:52) Or is he speaking about the last resurrection where every one is raised to judgement and the saved get to heaven?

Here are some verses:

(Php 3:10) That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
(Php 3:11) If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
(Php 3:12) Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.


Please tell me if I have completely misunderstood something. The resurrection day and last days are new concept to me.

God bless.


In Christ,
Jari.
 
I copied this from the E-sword Bible program and the comments are from Henry - I hope it will answer your questions.

"II. The apostle had his heart upon heaven as his happiness: If by any means I might attain to the resurrection of the dead, Phi_3:11.
1. The happiness of heaven is here called the resurrection of the dead, because, though the souls of the faithful, when they depart, are immediately with Christ, yet their happiness will not be complete till the general resurrection of the dead at the last day, when soul and body shall be glorified together. Anastasis sometimes signifies the future state. This the apostle had his eye upon; this he would attain. There will be a resurrection of the unjust, who shall arise to shame and everlasting contempt; and our care must be to escape that: but the joyful and glorious resurrection of saints is called the resurrection, kat' exochēn - by eminence, because it is in virtue of Christ's resurrection, as their head and first-fruits; whereas the wicked shall rise only by the power of Christ, as their judge. To the saints it will be indeed a resurrection, a return to bliss, and life, and glory; while the resurrection of the wicked is a rising from the grave, but a return to a second death. It is called the resurrection of the just, and the resurrection of life (Joh_5:29), and they are counted worthy to obtain that world and the resurrection from the dead, Luk_20:35.
2. This joyful resurrection the apostle pressed towards. He was willing to do any thing, or suffer any thing, that he might attain that resurrection. The hope and prospect of it carried him with so much courage and constancy through all the difficulties he met with in his work. He speaks as if they were in danger of missing it, and coming short of it. A holy fear of coming short is an excellent means of perseverance. Observe, His care to be found in Christ was in order to his attaining the resurrection of the dead. Paul himself did not hope to attain it through his own merit and righteousness, but through the merit and righteousness of Jesus Christ. “Let me be found in Christ, that I may attain the resurrection of the dead, be found a believer in him, and interested in him by faith,” Observe,
(1.) He looks upon himself to be in a state of imperfection and trial: Not as though I had already attained, or were already perfect, Phi_3:12. Observe, The best men in the world will readily own their imperfection in the present state. We have not yet attained, are not already perfect; there is still much wanting in all our duties, and graces, and comforts. If Paul had not attained to perfection (who had reached to so high a pitch of holiness), much less have we. Again, Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended (Phi_3:13), ou logizomai. “I make this judgment of the case; I thus reason with myself.” Observe, Those who think they have grace enough give proof that they have little enough, or rather that they have none at all; because, wherever there is true grace, there is a desire of more grace, and a pressing towards the perfection of grace.
(2.) What the apostle's actings were under this conviction. Considering that he had not already attained, and had not apprehended, he pressed forward: “I follow after (Phi_3:12), diōkō - I pursue with vigour, as one following after the game. I endeavour to get more grace and do more good, and never think I have done enough: If that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.” Observe, [1.] Whence our grace comes - from our being apprehended of Christ Jesus. It is not our laying hold of Christ first, but his laying hold of us, which is our happiness and salvation. We love him because he first loved us, 1Jo_4:19. Not our keeping hold of Christ, but his keeping hold of us, is our safety. We are kept by his mighty power through faith unto salvation, 1Pe_1:5. Observe, [2.] What the happiness of heaven is: it is to apprehend that for which we are apprehended of Christ. When Christ laid hold of us, it was to bring us to heaven; and to apprehend that for which he apprehended us is to attain the perfection of our bliss. He adds further (Phi_3:13): This one thing I do (this was his great care and concern), forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth to those things which are before. There is a sinful forgetting of past sins and past mercies, which ought to be remembered for the exercise of constant repentance and thankfulness to God. But Paul forgot the things which were behind so as not to be content with present measures of grace: he was still for having more and more. So he reaches forth, epekteinomenos - stretched himself forward, bearing towards his point: it is expressive of a vehement concern.
(3.) The apostle's aim in these actings: I press towards the mark, for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus, Phi_3:14. He pressed towards the mark. As he who runs a race never takes up short of the end, but is still making forwards as fast as he can, so those who have heaven in their eye must still be pressing forward to it in holy desires and hopes, and constant endeavours and preparations. The fitter we grow for heaven the faster we must press towards it. Heaven is called here the mark, because it is that which every good Christian has in his eye; as the archer has his eye fixed upon the mark he designs to hit. For the prize of the high calling. Observe, A Christian's calling is a high calling: it is from heaven, as its original; and it is to heaven in its tendency. Heaven is the prize of the high calling; to brabeion - the prize we fight for, and run for, and wrestle for, what we aim at in all we do, and what will reward all our pains. It is of great use in the Christian course to keep our eye upon heaven. This is proper to give us measures in all our service, and to quicken us every step we take; and it is of God, from whom we are to expect it. Eternal life is the gift of God (Rom_6:23), but it is in Christ Jesus; through his hand it must come to us, as it is procured for us by him. There is no getting to heaven as our home but by Christ as our way."

Blessings!
 
Thank you Ann for that commentarory! I read the first part of it which had a good explanation, in my opinion.

God bless.
 
Phl 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things [but] loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them [but] dung, that I may win Christ, Phl 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: Phl 3:10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; Phl 3:11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead. Phl 3:12 ¶ Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. Phl 3:13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but [this] one thing [I do], forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, Phl 3:14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. Phl 3:15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you. Phl 3:16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.

Paul is not talking here about any physical resurrection of the dead. He is talking about the walk of maturing, growing in glory. He is talking about reaching perfection. We are to be made conformable to His death- we take up our cross daily and we die to ourselves daily so that the more our flesh is killed off, the more Christ's power of His resurrection is in us and He dwells in us making us like Him.

By postion we are already dead and raised with him in baptism, but baptism is an act of faith and as we believe(without seeing) that we are dead and it is He that lives in us, we die daily and the more we die daily the more our faith in our death and the power of His resurection in us is manifest in our mortal flesh.

Jesus told His aposltes that a student can never be greater than his master but that he will be LIKE his master and we are to be made like Jesus. Even though we are saved by grace, after we have recieved that grace, we are to walk in it with faith and grow and conform into the image of Christ to be like Him. look at these scriptures

2Cr 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to [give] the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. 2Cr 4:7 ¶ But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us. 2Cr 4:8 [We are] troubled on every side, yet not distressed; [we are] perplexed, but not in despair; 2Cr 4:9 Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed;2Cr 4:10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body. 2Cr 4:11 For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.

All of the troubles paul mentions are for the purpose of killing off our flesh, they are the mean by which we die daily and count ourselves as dead and with these troubles we bare about in the body the dying of Jesus that His life( which is the power of the ressurection) may be MANIFEST in our MORTAL FLESH PRAISE THE LORD!.

Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
2Cr 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, [even] as by the Spirit of the Lord.

to attain to the resurection of the dead is to manifest Christs perfect glory in us which happens by complely dying to self and living in His power being made like Him, no longer like our sinful nature and beastly flesh.
 
That is something that isn't teached at my church, but I read the Bible my self.
But I do wonder how we all mature and sometimes fear for immaturity, if it could cause us trouble staying loyal to the Lord.

Thank you for replying Faith4Bride!


God bless.



In Christ Jesus,
Jari.
 
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