Question about Angels

[Jesus_is_LORD]

Do angels (God's angelic messengers) always win every battle against demons?

Or do they lose sometimes?

We know that angels were created by God, in the same sense that we also are created beings (though in a different nature),
and we know that they were not created in a way that they would stay perfect, because Lucifer was an angel and sinned and became Satan.

When I read the Bible I hear about the spiritual realm and the battles happening,

"But the prince of the Persian kingdom resisted me twenty-one days. Then Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, because I was detained there with the king of Persia."
Daniel 10:13


“Don’t be afraid,” the prophet answered. “Those who are with us are more than those who are with them.” And Elisha prayed, “Open his eyes, LORD,
so that he may see.” Then the LORD opened the servant’s eyes, and he looked and saw the hills full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha.
As the enemy came down toward him, Elisha prayed to the LORD, “Strike this army with blindness.” So he struck them with blindness, as Elisha had asked."
2nd Kings 6:16-18


"Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels?"
-Matthew 26:53

So we know that angels battle demons in the spiritual realm. And we know that the demons offer resistance. Just a curious question.
Are the angels perfect in their record of battles against demons? Winning 100% of the time? They are following God and God leads
them, we also follow God, but we are not 100% in our battles, but we fail and fall often, I do (though not as much as before).
Yet they are closer to God than we are, and filled with more of God's power. Whereas I guess that demons
get no power from God to fight, but must use whatever strength they have apart from God.

Yet the spiritual warfare seems intense. Obviously God's power is omnipotent, But just curious, your thoughts, on if you think angels win 100% of the
time when they fight demons? Or might there be times, for example that they lose, or we lose because we make bad choices and force the angel
to withdraw from an assignment to protect us, due to our own decision to sin. I know there is much to the question. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

 

[joestue]

the strong man in the parable has to be "tied up" [by the sin of the owner of the house] before the house is plundered.

as for the metaphors of angels and demons losing or wining wars over the influence of mankind, over the influence of a whole nation or city, i don't know what that actually means for them in the spiritual realm.

there is persistent testimony across generations that calling upon the archangel Michael can deliver a person of their demons. does this mean that "God" "Honored" their faith and it was actually Jesus that delivered the person? this isn't our concern if we hold that all of God's angels are always acting in perfect accordance with "God's will"

Jesus speaks harshly of those who cause children to sin saying "their angel is always before me" -but those angels rarely seem to directly intervene to prevent the abuse. so, i'm not sure what the big picture is. evil happens and it seems there is little to stop it on earth.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

the strong man in the parable has to be "tied up" [by the sin of the owner of the house] before the house is plundered.

as for the metaphors of angels and demons losing or wining wars over the influence of mankind, over the influence of a whole nation or city, i don't know what that actually means for them in the spiritual realm.

there is persistent testimony across generations that calling upon the archangel Michael can deliver a person of their demons. does this mean that "God" "Honored" their faith and it was actually Jesus that delivered the person? this isn't our concern if we hold that all of God's angels are always acting in perfect accordance with "God's will"

Jesus speaks harshly of those who cause children to sin saying "their angel is always before me" -but those angels rarely seem to directly intervene to prevent the abuse. so, i'm not sure what the big picture is. evil happens and it seems there is little to stop it on earth.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

 

[Curtis]

Angels (ministering spirits) were given to those who are heirs of God's salvation.

Heb 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Heb 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

They have been sent forth to minister "for" those of salvation.

Angels do God's commandments.

Psa 103:20 Bless the LORD, ye his angels, that excel in strength, that do his commandments, hearkening unto the voice of his word.

1Pe 4:11 Whoever speaks, let it be with God’s words. Whoever serves, do so with the strength that God supplies, so that in everything God will be glorified through Jesus Christ. To him belong the glory and the power forever and ever. Amen.

Angels do what we speak if we know the will of God. Angels listen to our words and then move to do them as long as we do not speak contrary to what we have already spoken.

They always win against the powers of darkness (fallin angels) They don't do anything if we speak contrary to the will of God.

Satan once had the authority Adam was given by God. Jesus came and to took back that power, and authority and gave it to us,

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Luk 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

Angels of God always win over the angels of darkness as long as we hold fast our confession of faith.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

Angels (ministering spirits) were given to those who are heirs of God's salvation.

Heb 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Heb 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

They have been sent forth to minister "for" those of salvation.

Angels do God's commandments.

Psa 103:20 Bless the LORD, ye his angels, that excel in strength, that do his commandments, hearkening unto the voice of his word.

1Pe 4:11 Whoever speaks, let it be with God’s words. Whoever serves, do so with the strength that God supplies, so that in everything God will be glorified through Jesus Christ. To him belong the glory and the power forever and ever. Amen.

Angels do what we speak if we know the will of God. Angels listen to our words and then move to do them as long as we do not speak contrary to what we have already spoken.

They always win against the powers of darkness (fallin angels) They don't do anything if we speak contrary to the will of God.

Satan once had the authority Adam was given by God. Jesus came and to took back that power, and authority and gave it to us,

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Luk 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

Angels of God always win over the angels of darkness as long as we hold fast our confession of faith.

Good point, thanks.

 

[Whendancer]

When we consider that every time that the LORD sent an angel to engage in ANY activity with mankind; it was for a purpose that was not always to battle demonic forces. For example: in 1st Chronicles 21 after Satan provoked King David to sin against Israel, the LORD sent Gad to convey His displeasure and to offer King David a choice of what would be the consequence. But, when King David saw the devastation of his choice (executed by an angel), his repentive heart prompted the LORD to have an angel tell King David what he must do to make amends. We see various examples of the LORD sending angels to deliver very important messages (Luke 1:19 and Luke 1:28 for example), close the mouths of lions (Daniel 6:22), and provided healing grace by stirring up a pool of water ( John 5:4). So, in giving those few examples, we must conclude that our LORD's purpose for sending an angel is to accomplish His Will. Failure is not possible when everything goes according to His plan...no matter what or whom He sends. Amen?

 

[Bill]

Angels (ministering spirits) were given to those who are heirs of God's salvation.

Heb 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Heb 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

They have been sent forth to minister "for" those of salvation.

Angels do God's commandments.

Psa 103:20 Bless the LORD, ye his angels, that excel in strength, that do his commandments, hearkening unto the voice of his word.

1Pe 4:11 Whoever speaks, let it be with God’s words. Whoever serves, do so with the strength that God supplies, so that in everything God will be glorified through Jesus Christ. To him belong the glory and the power forever and ever. Amen.

Angels do what we speak if we know the will of God. Angels listen to our words and then move to do them as long as we do not speak contrary to what we have already spoken.

They always win against the powers of darkness (fallin angels) They don't do anything if we speak contrary to the will of God.

Satan once had the authority Adam was given by God. Jesus came and to took back that power, and authority and gave it to us,

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Luk 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

Angels of God always win over the angels of darkness as long as we hold fast our confession of faith.

"Jesus speaks harshly of those who cause children to sin saying "their angel is always before me" the quote from Joestue

It seems that Angels are not only given to believers, but to all. At least in the beginning.

And to answer whether they win battles 100 % i think not, for 2 reasons. If Angels are detained and need back up, i. E. Michael. That would make me believe they were losing the fight, or lost a few fights before Michael arrives. The other thought has to do with our sins. If Angels are defending us now, why is the world still falling so far away from God

 

[Curtis]

If Angels are detained and need back up, i. E. Michael. That would make me believe they were losing the fight, or lost a few fights before Michael arrives.

Thar only happened before Jesus came and dethroned, disarmed, and destroyed the works of the devil. Satan once had Adams's authority, but he no longer has it for all power and authority in heaven and in hell has been given to Jesus, and he gave it to his Church.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

When we consider that every time that the LORD sent an angel to engage in ANY activity with mankind; it was for a purpose that was not always to battle demonic forces. For example: in 1st Chronicles 21 after Satan provoked King David to sin against Israel, the LORD sent Gad to convey His displeasure and to offer King David a choice of what would be the consequence. But, when King David saw the devastation of his choice (executed by an angel), his repentive heart prompted the LORD to have an angel tell King David what he must do to make amends. We see various examples of the LORD sending angels to deliver very important messages (Luke 1:19 and Luke 1:28 for example), close the mouths of lions (Daniel 6:22), and provided healing grace by stirring up a pool of water ( John 5:4). So, in giving those few examples, we must conclude that our LORD's purpose for sending an angel is to accomplish His Will. Failure is not possible when everything goes according to His plan...no matter what or whom He sends. Amen?

Amen.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

"Jesus speaks harshly of those who cause children to sin saying "their angel is always before me" the quote from Joestue

It seems that Angels are not only given to believers, but to all. At least in the beginning.

And to answer whether they win battles 100 % i think not, for 2 reasons. If Angels are detained and need back up, i. E. Michael. That would make me believe they were losing the fight, or lost a few fights before Michael arrives. The other thought has to do with our sins. If Angels are defending us now, why is the world still falling so far away from God

That does make sense.

 

[Bill]

Thar only happened before Jesus came and dethroned, disarmed, and destroyed the works of the devil. Satan once had Adams's authority, but he no longer has it for all power and authority in heaven and in hell has been given to Jesus, and he gave it to his Church.

Are you certain about that? If the darkness has been disarmed, why is the world in the state it is in now? Sin ? And who tests and tempts us, is that Jesus or the devil?

why would Jesus, via scripture ( Rev ) tell us about the antiChrist?