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Problems with the book of Enoch

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Loyal
  • 1:1 Implies restoration during tribulation - not congruent with scriptures.
  • 1:8 In conflict with the doctrine that peace was made at the cross. Also, in the last days tribulation will increase for the righteous - this "verse" seems to dispute that.
  • 2:2-3 Appears to contradict 2 Pet 3:3-7
  • 5:4 Is an admonition to some unknown party - this is very irregular relative to the scriptures (i.e. authentic ancient writings by God-fearing Jews)
  • 6:3 Semjaza seems to be listed as the leader of the angels, which is not scriptural
  • 6:3,8 None of these angels are mentioned in the Bible
  • 8:1 Azazel isn't even listed in 6:8 as one of the angels that fornicated with women
  • 8:3 Araqiel and Shamsiel aren't listed in 6:8 either
  • 10:2 Enoch allegedly wrote about Noah, even though the Bible teaches that Enoch was taken up to heaven years before Noah was born.
  • 10:4-6,12 Implies angels can be bound & hid in holes under rocks. This is contrary to scripture.
  • 10:8 Ascribes all the sin of the fallen angels to one named Azazel - not scriptural.
  • 10:15-11:2 Seems to imply that permanent restoration took place after the flood - clearly not true. It seems the true author of this book confused scriptures pertaining to the future restoration.
  • 13:5-6,14:4-5,7 Implies fallen angels can't talk to God - this contradicts Job. Also implies that angels were repentant, but weren't received back by God - very strange doctrine.
  • 14 Gives a very strange description of Heaven that conflicts with many scriptures
  • 15:8-10 Very strange doctrine about "evil spirits" proceeding from unredeemable giants
  • 17-18,21,23 Gives a very strange description of the earth & universe which is clearly not true. Also alludes to the ancient model of astronomy that held that there were 7 stars (the closest planets) which burned like the sun (they don't.)
  • 19:3 Discredits all other prophecy about the consumation of the ages.
    • 20 Lists strange angels not in scripture, and incorrectly assigns the roles of Michael (the warrior) and Gabriel (the messenger)
    • 21:7-10 Seems to contradict Biblical descriptions of the present & final judgement places for the fallen angels
    • 22 Contradicts the Biblical descriptions of past, present & future dwelling places for the righteous who die
    • 32:2-6 Seems to imply the Garden of Eden was still in existance after the Flood
    • 33:1-2 Says Heaven rests on a foundation that is at the Eastern edge of the earth
    • 33:3 He claims he counted the stars & individually mapped them, which is impossible scripturally (& scientifically)
    • 34 Says the winds come out of a "portal" at the Northern edge of the earth
    • 36:3 Says the stars come out of portals at the Eastern edge of the earth & move West
    • 38:5-6 Contradicts Daniel & other prophecies about the Mellinial Reign
    • 39:1-2 Very strange implications here about the "seed" of angels dwelling with men at the end... this contradicts the scriptures
    • 40:7 Talks about the "Satans" - plural, different than the Bible, who gives that name to only one fallen angel. Also, implies Satan can't stand in God's presence, contrary to Job.
    • 40:9 Once again mixes up the roles of the 2 Archangels & adds more names in. Michael's role in scripture is related to conquoring nations & fighting spiritual wars, while Gabriel's relates to bringing messages & visions to people.
    • 41:1-2 Says the Kingdom of God is divided - it's not & can't be scripturally. Also describes sinners being repelled from a mansion, which is also not scriptural, unless you look at a parable Jesus told, which was not intended to be literal.
    • 41:4-5 Says the sun, moon, winds, etc. are stored in chambers & released at appointed times.
    • 41:6-7 Implies the sun & moon move opposite of each other
    • 43:1-3,44 Very weird model of the nature of stars & lightning
    • 47:4 Says God requires the blood of the saints... very strange
    • 51:1 Says Sheol & Hell will give back to the earth, which isn't scriptural - also Hell is a NT term, not OT
    • 51:2 Disputes the Biblical doctrine that we are chosen. (We don't have to wait until Christ's return to be chosen.) This isn't scriptural.
    • General: Seems to imply Enoch came back down to earth after being taken up to Heaven, which is not scriptural.

Yes Jude quoted the Book of Enoch, but there are a lot of quotes not from scripture. Jesus quotes Caesar, ( Luke 12:19; ) does that make Caesar a scriptural source?
With so many discrepancies with the rest of scripture, and the fact there is no way Enoch could have written this book (he was taken to heaven, way back in Genesis)
this is a book that has been looked at many times for consideration, but never was in the Canon including the original council of Nicea and council of Trent.
 
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All praises to FATHER AHAYAH YASHAYAH WA RAACH!

Enoch was a Great Prophet blessed by AHAYAH GOD that AHAYAH GOD took him. I can't wait for the day to finally see and speak to him and other prophets!

What will you ask him?

Luke 13:28 [28]There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when yee shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Iacob, and all the Prophets in the kingdome of God, and you your selues thrust out.

Those of who believe the Book of Enoch that was referenced by the BIBLE stand by it!

Proverbs 15:3 [3]The eyes of the Lord are in euery place, beholding the euill & the good.

Blessings
 
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Jude did not quote any apocryphal book of Enoch. Jude acknowledged what Enoch said. (Jude 14)

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Loyal
1:1 The words of the blessing of Enoch, wherewith he blessed the elect and righteous, who will be living in the day of tribulation, when all the wicked and godless are to be removed.

So just years before Christ returns, there will be tribulation, this you dont dispute. You dispute that the wicked and godless are to be removed?
 
Loyal
So just years before Christ returns, there will be tribulation, this you dont dispute. You dispute that the wicked and godless are to be removed?
When exactly do you think the wicked will be removed?

Rev 20:7; When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison,
Rev 20:8; and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore.

After the millennial reign, which is after the 2nd coming (Jesus couldn't reign on the Earth if He hasn't returned) it says Satan will raise an army. The number of which is like the sands of the sea.
I've never tried to count the sands of the sea, but I'm guessing there are at least one or two grains of sand. (billions?)
The wicked will still be around after the millennial reign.

... in fact ...

Rev 21:27; and nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Rev 22:14; Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15; Outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the immoral persons and the murderers and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying.

It seems there will still be wicked people around even after the New Jerusalem comes down out of heaven.

This is just one of the places The book of Enoch conflicts with a lot of other scriptures.
 
Loyal
Mankind always has a choice. After the wicked (those who opose His children) are destroyed, when He return with 10,000 of His holy ones. Then a 1000 year reign with Christ as the ruler with a Iron Hand. He enforces His peace, but peoples hearts turn from Him over time, and at the end of those 1000 years, yes satan is loosed from his prison and quickly leads a rebellion against Christ and His people one last time. It speaks of the wicked being destroyed, but... just like after Noah and the destruction of evil back then, It DID happen, evil crops up again over time. It seems you are equating the wicked and godless being removed, as the same as suddenly human nature changing overnight and forever?
 
Loyal
Being of weak eyes, I only saw fit to speak of the first , but as well Semjaza was only the leader of the fallen angels, those who felt it was their right to use women who were fair to give them children, which is one of the things they were not to do and could not do with other angels. He was "only the fallen angels leader. Surely you heard of the war in heaven and that not all angels did right in support of God. Those were fallen as well, and as to Semjaza's name, it was common that celestial beings had more than one name. And Enoch states that Enoch could be reached in a secret place by one of his children if he made his request known. And as to where Enoch was relocated to when he disappeared, it is not given as to his place, I find it best to not assume he was in a place that was beyond his giving a msg to his children. He did not die like most men. As to the rest of your statements, please show the verse you speak of and then your assumption as to why its false, and please one at a time, its not easy for me to spend a lot of time viewing the txt with my weak eyes.
 
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