Parables

[Christ4Ever]

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The problem with your continued use of this is that it lacks context, that is specific and not all encompassing.
Which is deceitful, though not intended as such. Because to the non-believer they view it is that all the words that Jesus spoke even to the Apostles etc., were parables, which we as believers know is not the case. So, it becomes disruptive to clear understanding when the context is left out to those who it really was meant for and that was the multitude or the non-believer if you will.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the (historical ) things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Adding the coloring I can understand what you are attempting to navigate through, but adding words in an attempt to address meaning to what is not there is wrong, and again deceitful to clear understanding. Which is why I have drawn a line through it that in truth it does not belong.

I again, will say I can appreciate what you are trying to do/say, but the method by which you are attempting to do so is in error.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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[Bill]

I have been thinking about this for a while.

This is sometimes found in allegorical or symbolic-only approaches to Scripture. While it's not new, it has taken different forms over time.

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What Do They Mean by “Everything Is a Parable”?​

Some people claim that every event in the Bible is symbolic, metaphorical, or a parable—not literal history. So, for example:

• Lazarus being raised = symbolic of spiritual awakening.
• Feeding the 5,000 = symbolic of spiritual nourishment.
• Peter walking on water = symbolic of faith overcoming doubt.

They often don’t mean “parable” in the traditional sense (like the Prodigal Son), but rather that everything is a coded message or spiritual metaphor.

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Where Does This View Come From?​

This view can stem from several sources:

1. Gnosticism (ancient and modern) – which often taught that Scripture is full of hidden, mystical meanings.
2. Extreme allegorism – especially from some early church fathers like Origen, who saw nearly every passage as symbolic.
3. Modern spiritualism or liberal theology – which may deny miracles or historical events and instead treat them as moral or spiritual lessons.

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How to Respond or Define Limits?​

You’re right to want a way to define what a parable is and what it isn’t. Here’s a helpful framework:

A Parable Is​

• A fictional story told by Jesus (or others) to illustrate a moral or spiritual truth.
• Clearly marked as such in the text (e.g., “He spoke a parable unto them…”).
• Often introduced with phrases like “The kingdom of heaven is like…”

A Miracle or Historical Event Is​

• Reported as something that actually happened.
• Often includes specific names, places, and eyewitnesses.
• Not introduced as a parable or metaphor.

For example, John 11 (Lazarus) is written as a narrative, not a parable. It includes:

• Real people (Mary, Martha, Lazarus)
• A specific location (Bethany)
• A timeline and emotional reactions
• A crowd of witnesses

That’s not how parables are written.

Why It Matters​

If everything is a parable, then:

• Historical truth is lost.
• Doctrinal foundations (like the resurrection) become optional or symbolic.
• It undermines the authority and reliability of Scripture.

In my opinion, i think those who want to water down the scripture, who can not accept miracles, and the divinity of Jesus, will use this type of terminology. Making things like the miracles of Jesus to be nothing more than Mass Hysteria. Like walking on the water, or a raising Lazarus from the dead.

Now The Parables we understand our stories with a meaning, but when we get into individuals like Lazarus, or the miracles of Jesus that are attested to by various people. Namely Matthew Mark Luke and John as Witnesses of those miracles. And they even say that to themselves but they are witnesses to everything that Jesus has done. If we are going to claim that we are Christians then we need to follow what they said in the first place and not what someone with weak faith thinks.

 

[Garee]

The problem with your continued use of this is that it lacks context, that is specific and not all encompassing.
Which is deceitful, though not intended as such. Because to the non-believer they view it is that all the words that Jesus spoke even to the Apostles etc., were parables, which we as believers know is not the case. So, it becomes disruptive to clear understanding when the context is left out to those who it really was meant for and that was the multitude or the non-believer if you will.

Adding the coloring I can understand what you are attempting to navigate through, but adding words in an attempt to address meaning to what is not there is wrong, and again deceitful to clear understanding. Which is why I have drawn a line through it that in truth it does not belong.

I again, will say I can appreciate what you are trying to do/say, but the method by which you are attempting to do so is in error.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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Hi Thanks.

It is hard to understand that the apostles can be used as antichrists. . . . another teaching authority other than sola scriptura.

Revealing Satan is not subject to the gospel the things hid in parables. In Mathew 16 Satan the antichrist used Peter as an antichrist false prophet . Peter with words of false prophecy rebuked our unseen Holy Father and forbid Jesus the Son of man from doing the will of the father therefore exalting the dying apostle above sola scriptura as revealed below)

1 Corinthians 4:6;And these things, brethren, I have in a figure (parable) transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another

Luke9 and Mark 9 two witnesses using a series of parables to teach how to walk by faith the unseen eternal things. Christ in us

A whole series, the first parable hiding the spiritual gospel understanding loaves of bread .5 to represent redemption and 2 fish to represent the church in that parable. Then to the next parable the mountain using Moses the law giver with Elias the testimony of the law to represent sola scriptura..

One right after another hiding th gospel understanding. Leaving some with the Historical view the temporal and not the hidden. Things of faith

At the end of the matter verse 55 Christ rebuked the apostles shown what manner (unbelief ) they we of.

On one occasion in their confusion with Jesus the Son of man the chief apostle because of their confusion decided to take a vote on who is the greatest Alfa Dog Must of thought the cheif apostle Jesus went of his rocker His own family rejected him because without parable Christ spoke not

Again, they do not change the literal historical but do enrich like Johnaton's honey in that parable below used to represent sola scriptura manna( what is it???) Taste like honey

1 Samuel 14:27 But Jonathan heard not when his father charged the people with the oath: wherefore he put forth the end of the rod that was in his hand, and dipped it in an honeycomb, and put his hand to his mouth; and his eyes were enlightened.

Luke 9:43-46And they were all amazed (no faith) at the mighty power of God. But while they wondered every one at all things which Jesus did, he said unto his disciples,;Let these sayings sink down into your ears: for the Son of man shall be delivered into the hands of men.;But they understood not this saying, and it was hid from them, that they perceived it not: and they feared to ask him of that saying.Then there arose a reasoning among them, which of them should be greatest.

Not a salvation issue more of a little honey hoping not to eat to much

Proverbs 24:13 My son, eat thou honey, because it is good; and the honeycomb, which is sweet to thy taste:

Proverbs 25:16 Hast thou found honey? eat so much as is sufficient for thee, lest thou be filled therewith, and vomit it.

Proverbs 25:27 It is not good to eat much honey: so for men to search their own glory is not glory.

Luke 9:55;But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of "spirit" ye are of.

Again it does not change the temporal historical it uses it and compares to the hidden eternal

 

[Christ4Ever]

It is hard to understand that the apostles can be used as antichrists. . . . another teaching authority other than sola scriptura.

Not really. When you understand that none of us are perfect and that there is a continually battle between the corrupted flesh, and the Holy Spirit within us. Thankfully we can look forward that this battle will no longer be the case for us the believer, when we are graced by the same glorified body that Jesus has.

1 Corinthians 4:6;And these things, brethren, I have in a figure (parable) transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another

I must ask you to stop adding words. You may believe you are providing understanding for those who do not comprehend your usage of (Black/Red/Green) but adding to the Word of God, to make "your" point is wrong though you are of the belief it is helpful in making your position much clearer. Add it afterwards in any comments.

A whole series, the first parable hiding the spiritual gospel understanding loaves of bread .5 to represent redemption and 2 fish to represent the church in that parable. Then to the next parable the mountain using Moses the law giver with Elias the testimony of the law to represent sola scriptura..

It has multiple meanings as well as historical in nature. For without explanation none would have understood anyway given if it were solely a parable.

His own family rejected him because without parable Christ spoke not

Your continued usage of "because without parable Christ spoke not" will have me ignoring what you write if context is not included for the original meaning of the phrase. Regardless of how well intentioned you might be, it's a phrase that the more you use it, the more it seems out of place to what you are trying to explain. Because in truth all you are saying by its use, is "the unbeliever will not understand for it has not been given that they will/the believer will understand for through the Holy Spirit they have been given to understand".

On one occasion in their confusion with Jesus the Son of man the chief apostle because of their confusion decided to take a vote on who is the greatest Alfa Dog Must of thought the cheif apostle Jesus went of his rocker His own family rejected him because without parable Christ spoke not

Pride/Humility is no different than the conflicts all have in the flesh/spirit. It requires us to be fully aware of this so that like the Apostles not to fall for its allure.

Not a salvation issue more of a little honey hoping not to eat to much

True, and your phrasing I appreciate greatly.

Proverbs 24:13 My son, eat thou honey, because it is good; and the honeycomb, which is sweet to thy taste:

Proverbs 25:16 Hast thou found honey? eat so much as is sufficient for thee, lest thou be filled therewith, and vomit it.

Proverbs 25:27 It is not good to eat much honey: so for men to search their own glory is not glory.

Luke 9:55;But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of "spirit" ye are of.

Again it does not change the temporal historical it uses it and compares to the hidden eternal

Matthew 18:1-5

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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