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NO Apostles, NO Christ, NO Most High GOD.

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NO Apostles, NO Christ, NO Most High GOD.

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Luke.10
[16] He who hears you (APOSTLES) hears me (the Christ, the Mighty God of Israel)
and he who despises (dishonors) you despises me (The God of Deut.6:4)
and he who despises me
despises him (the Most High GOD, the GOD of Abraham...)
who sent me (from the luxurious Heaven)
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Jesus, whom the Father always hears, prayed for a particular people.
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John.17
[20] Neither pray I for these (APOSTLES) alone,
but also for them (the Christians) who shall believe on me, (the Lord from Heaven)
through their (the APOSTLES'), Word.
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The Apostles taught Baptism calling on Jesus.
The enemy hates Jesus and tries to BLOT him out.
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Paul:
1Thes.2
[13] For this cause/ reason also,
we (the APOSTLES) thank GOD (the Father),
without ceasing,(endlessly)
because, when you (Thessalonian Christians) received the Word of GOD,
that you heard of/ from us (the APOSTLES),
you did not received it as the word of men,
but as it is in truth, the Word of GOD,
that effectively works in you who believe (the Apostles)
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Peter:
1Pet.1
[25] But the Word of the Lord (GOD, the Father) endures forever.
and this is the Word (of GOD) which, by the Gospel,
is preached (by the APOSTLES), unto you.
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John.3
[34] ... he (JESUS) whom GOD has sent (from Heaven),
speaks the Words of/ from GOD:
for GOD does not give the Spirit by measure (BUT the fullness) to him.
2Cor.3
[6] GOD also has made us (the APOSTLES),
able (capable) Ministers of the New Testament.
We are not Ministers of the letter but Ministers of the Spirit (of GOD)
for the letter kills but the Spirit (of GOD) gives life. (to our human spirit)
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Jesus taught the Word of GOD to the Apostles.
The Apostles referred to Jesus, the Father, the Spirit and the Prophets, like Isaiah.
2 John.1
[9] Whoever (anyone who) transgresses,
and does not abide in the Doctrine of Christ, hath not GOD (the Father).
He who abides in the Doctrine of Christ, has BOTH (TWO) the Father and the Son.
[10] If there come any (MAN) to you, and he does not bring this doctrine (about the TWO),
do not receive him into your house, neither bid him Godspeed
[11] For he who bids him Godspeed is partaker of (accomplice in) his evil deeds.
 
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John.15
[19] If you (APOSTLES) were of the world (the Israelite's),
then the world would love his own:
but because you are not of the world (of Judaism), but I have chosen you out of the world,
therefore the world (the Israelite) hates you (the Apostles).
[20] Remember the word that I said to you (APOSTLES):
The servant is not greater than his lord.
If they (the Israelites) have persecuted me THEN they will also persecute you (APOSTLES).
If they (the Israelites) have kept my saying (Teachings) THEN they will keep yours also.
 
The R.Catholics killed the TRUE Christians who EMPHASIZED the TWO
and spread propaganda about them.

Immediately, John publicizes that TWO existed from the beginning.
John.1
[1] In the beginning was the Word (the Son),
and the Word (the Son) was with GOD (the Father),
and the Word (the Son) was God (of Israel).
 
The R.Catholics killed the TRUE Christians who EMPHASIZED the TWO
and spread propaganda about them.

Immediately, John publicizes that TWO existed from the beginning.
John.1
[1] In the beginning was the Word (the Son),
and the Word (the Son) was with GOD (the Father),
and the Word (the Son) was God (of Israel).
Hello daughterforligh.

Well that narrows it down to some degree, you had me puzzled at first daughterforligh.
 
Hello daughterforligh.

Well that narrows it down to some degree, you had me puzzled at first daughterforligh.
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Do you do any research of Church History
Rom.16
[17] Now I beseech you, brethren,
mark them (the men like the R.C.) who cause divisions and offences that are contrary
to the Doctrine that you have learned;
and avoid them.
[18] For they who are such do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ but they serve their own belly;
nd by good words and fair speeches they deceive the hearts of the simple minded.
 
I think there are three persons. The third person, who is the one responsible for the inspiring of the writings we have in the Bible, doesn't bring much attention to himself because he is focused on bringing glory and honor to the other two, namely the Father and the Son.

But, we can see that the Apostle Paul understood that all three exist as distinct persons, and are equal in nature, all having no beginning or ending.

2 Corinthians 13:14 ESV - 14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God* and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.​

The Spirit of God, AKA the Holy Spirit, AKA the Helper/Paraclete is distinct from, but equal with the Father and the Son.

Trinity is not a Roman Catholic doctrine, it comes from the time of the Apostles (and before that as well), they (The Apostles of Jesus) wrote about it quite extensively in the scriptures. Due to numerous attacks on the nature of God as three persons (yet one being) early christians were all but forced to defend the truth in their writings and thus creeds and such were formed. The doctrine of the Trinity existed way before any of these official creeds however.

The Holy Spirit is a person. He is also eternal, not created, Divine. He has always existed with both the Father and the Son.

Travis


*God being the Father in this context
 
I think there are three persons. The third person, who is the one responsible for the inspiring of the writings we have in the Bible, doesn't bring much attention to himself because he is focused on bringing glory and honor to the other two, namely the Father and the Son.

But, we can see that the Apostle Paul understood that all three exist as distinct persons, and are equal in nature, all having no beginning or ending.
2 Corinthians 13:14 ESV - 14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God* and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.​

The Spirit of God, AKA the Holy Spirit, AKA the Helper/Paraclete is distinct from, but equal with the Father and the Son.

Trinity is not a Roman Catholic doctrine, it comes from the time of the Apostles (and before that as well), they (The Apostles of Jesus) wrote about it quite extensively in the scriptures. Due to numerous attacks on the nature of God as three persons (yet one being) early christians were all but forced to defend the truth in their writings and thus creeds and such were formed. The doctrine of the Trinity existed way before any of these official creeds however.

The Holy Spirit is a person. He is also eternal, not created, Divine. He has always existed with both the Father and the Son.
Travis
*God being the Father in this context

Hello Sir,
The emphasis of the Spirit led is on TWO.
See 2Cor.3:17
R.C. never GOT revelation from Jesus through the Spirit.
They hate KNOWLEDGE and call all KNOWLEDGE Gnostic.
Ignorance rules...
 
Hello Sir,
The emphasis of the Spirit led is on TWO.
See 2Cor.3:17
R.C. never GOT revelation from Jesus through the Spirit.
They hate KNOWLEDGE and call all KNOWLEDGE Gnostic.
Ignorance rules...

Thank you for bringing this verse up Daughterforlight,

I was just looking at this verse the other day. It is one of the verses that is so critical to the doctrine of the Trinity as it has been understood for nearly two millennia. This verse proves that although the Lord Jesus Christ and the Spirit are two separate persons, they are in fact one being. They are always in agreement with and in communion with each other. They are one being, hence the name, Tri-Unity (or shortened, Trinity). Tri-une means three in one. God is three, yet at the same time one. This is a mystery to the human mind. These kind of ideas are usually not hard for children though.

2 Corinthians 3
1 Are we beginning to commend ourselves again? Or do we need, as some do, letters of recommendation to you, or from you? 2 You yourselves are our letter of recommendation, written on our hearts, to be known and read by all. 3 And you show that you are a letter from Christ delivered by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts. 4 Such is the confidence that we have through Christ toward God. 5 Not that we are sufficient in ourselves to claim anything as coming from us, but our sufficiency is from God, 6 who has made us sufficient to be ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 7 Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory that the Israelites could not gaze at Moses' face because of its glory, which was being brought to an end, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit have even more glory? 9 For if there was glory in the ministry of condemnation, the ministry of righteousness must far exceed it in glory. 10 Indeed, in this case, what once had glory has come to have no glory at all, because of the glory that surpasses it. 11 For if what was being brought to an end came with glory, much more will what is permanent have glory. 12 Since we have such a hope, we are very bold, 13 not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face so that the Israelites might not gaze at the outcome of what was being brought to an end. 14 But their minds were hardened. For to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away. 15 Yes, to this day whenever Moses is read a veil lies over their hearts. 16 But when one turns to the Lord, the veil is removed. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18 And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another. For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit.

Here's a good explanation, I think:

"The Lord is the Spirit," that is, Christ is the Holy Spirit; they are one and the same. Not one and the same person, but one and the same being, in the same sense in which our Lord says, "I and the Father are one." It is an identity of essence and of power. Christ is the Holy Spirit, because, being the same in substance, where Christ is, there the Spirit is, and where the Spirit is, there is Christ. Therefore this same apostle interchanges the three forms of expression as synonymous, "the Spirit of Christ," "Christ," and "the Spirit." Rom 8, 9, 10. The Holy Ghost is everywhere in the Bible recognized as the source of all life, truth, power, holiness, blessedness and glory. The apostle, however, had in the context spoken of Christ as the source of life, as delivering from the death and bondage of the law. He is and does this because he and the Spirit are one; and therefore wherever Christ is, or in other words still, wherever the Spirit of Christ is, or in other words still, wherever the Spirit is, there is liberty. By turning unto Christ we become partakers of the Holy Spirit, the living and life-giving, because he and the Spirit are one, and Christ dwells in his people, redeeming them from the law and making them the children of God, by his Spirit.

Charles Hodge, An Exposition of the Second Epistle to the Corinthians​

As much as it would be convenient for those who dislike the doctrine of the Trinity, it really isn't associated with the RCC. It was around before they really came into full existence. Many people try to use the RCC as a straw man to fight against the truth behind the Trinity, but this is all futile. Anyone who has done a little research knows better than this.

There's always an ulterior motive behind a denial of the Trinity. I see it happen every time. Something strange always follows, or comes along with this.

Travis
 
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Thank you for bringing this verse up Daughterforlight,

I was just looking at this verse the other day. It is one of the verses that is so critical to the doctrine of the Trinity as it has been understood for nearly two millennia. This verse proves that although the Lord Jesus Christ and the Spirit are two separate persons, they are in fact one being. They are always in agreement with and in communion with each other. They are one being, hence the name, Tri-Unity (or shortened, Trinity). Tri-une means three in one. God is three, yet at the same time one. This is a mystery to the human mind. These kind of ideas are usually not hard for children though.
2 Corinthians 3
1 Are we beginning to commend ourselves again? Or do we need, as some do, letters of recommendation to you, or from you? 2 You yourselves are our letter of recommendation, written on our hearts, to be known and read by all. 3 And you show that you are a letter from Christ delivered by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts. 4 Such is the confidence that we have through Christ toward God. 5 Not that we are sufficient in ourselves to claim anything as coming from us, but our sufficiency is from God, 6 who has made us sufficient to be ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 7 Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory that the Israelites could not gaze at Moses' face because of its glory, which was being brought to an end, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit have even more glory? 9 For if there was glory in the ministry of condemnation, the ministry of righteousness must far exceed it in glory. 10 Indeed, in this case, what once had glory has come to have no glory at all, because of the glory that surpasses it. 11 For if what was being brought to an end came with glory, much more will what is permanent have glory. 12 Since we have such a hope, we are very bold, 13 not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face so that the Israelites might not gaze at the outcome of what was being brought to an end. 14 But their minds were hardened. For to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away. 15 Yes, to this day whenever Moses is read a veil lies over their hearts. 16 But when one turns to the Lord, the veil is removed. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18 And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another. For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit.

Here's a good explanation, I think:
"The Lord is the Spirit," that is, Christ is the Holy Spirit; they are one and the same. Not one and the same person, but one and the same being, in the same sense in which our Lord says, "I and the Father are one." It is an identity of essence and of power. Christ is the Holy Spirit, because, being the same in substance, where Christ is, there the Spirit is, and where the Spirit is, there is Christ. Therefore this same apostle interchanges the three forms of expression as synonymous, "the Spirit of Christ," "Christ," and "the Spirit." Rom 8, 9, 10. The Holy Ghost is everywhere in the Bible recognized as the source of all life, truth, power, holiness, blessedness and glory. The apostle, however, had in the context spoken of Christ as the source of life, as delivering from the death and bondage of the law. He is and does this because he and the Spirit are one; and therefore wherever Christ is, or in other words still, wherever the Spirit of Christ is, or in other words still, wherever the Spirit is, there is liberty. By turning unto Christ we become partakers of the Holy Spirit, the living and life-giving, because he and the Spirit are one, and Christ dwells in his people, redeeming them from the law and making them the children of God, by his Spirit.

Charles Hodge, An Exposition of the Second Epistle to the Corinthians​

As much as it would be convenient for those who dislike the doctrine of the Trinity, it really isn't associated with the RCC. It was around before they really came into full existence. Many people try to use the RCC as a straw man to fight against the truth behind the Trinity, but this is all futile. Anyone who has done a little research knows better than this.

There's always an ulterior motive behind a denial of the Trinity. I see it happen every time. Something strange always follows, or comes along with this.

Travis

If you follow the GOD and Christ sent Apostles
then the Greek Philosophers, who were not sent,
will not get to you.
I esacaped....
 
Baptism of the Holy Spirit didn't come from the RC. Or any other man made church. (Protestant or otherwise).
The apostles and Christians of their time were familiar with baptism of the Holy Spirit.
These verses were not added later.

Matt 3:11; "As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
Mark 1:8; "I baptized you with water; but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit."
Luke 3:16; John answered and said to them all, "As for me, I baptize you with water; but One is coming who is mightier than I, and I am not fit to untie the thong of His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
Acts 11:16; "And I remembered the word of the Lord, how He used to say, 'John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.'
1 Cor 12:13; For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.
Acts 1:5; for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now."There is also the baptism of the Son.

There is also baptism into the Son. (Whenever it is a capitalized "S"on it's speaking of Jesus).

Acts 19:2; He said to them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" And they said to him, "No, we have not even heard whether there is a Holy Spirit."
Acts 19:3; And he said, "Into what then were you baptized?" And they said, "Into John's baptism."
Acts 19:4; Paul said, "John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in Him who was coming after him, that is, in Jesus."
Acts 19:5; When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Acts 2:38; Peter said to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 8:16; For He had not yet fallen upon any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Acts 10:48; And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days.

Of course all this started with the Old Testament practice of baptizing in water. It really isn't mentioned in the Bible often.

Lev 8:6; Then Moses had Aaron and his sons come near and washed them with water.
Lev 16:4; "He shall put on the holy linen tunic, and the linen undergarments shall be next to his body, and he shall be girded with the linen sash and attired with the linen turban (these are holy garments). Then he shall bathe his body in water and put them on.
Lev 16:24; "He shall bathe his body with water in a holy place and put on his clothes, and come forth and offer his burnt offering and the burnt offering of the people and make atonement for himself and for the people.

Numb 8:7; "Thus you shall do to them, for their cleansing: sprinkle purifying water on them, and let them use a razor over their whole body and wash their clothes, and they will be clean.

Some orthodox Jews, even today practice something called Mikveh (sometimes spelled Mikvah). Rather than post a link, you might want to do a search on it.

Matt 28:19; "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,
 
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I was wondering the same thing.

There is a familiarity in her postings that reminds of someone a few months back. I can't say for sure, but they were JW. (They also don't believe in the trinity, and believe
Jesus is not "GOD" but simply "a god". They believe there are multiple gods. It seems we are being bombed in multiple threads here to show us there is no trinity and Jesus is not
(big "G") God.
 
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