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Hello! I am a preachers daughter in need of some christian guidance. First, I would like to clearly state that I love my God, he is a wonderful friend and savior to me. However, having grown up in the church for 25 years, my father being the pastor, my mom the secretary and pianist...I have such a bad taste of what the "church" is all about. Let me give you an example of my confusion/frustration...My father's church/my old church (I now no longer go to a church although do teach at a Christian school)...anyway, my old church taught Holiness...being able to say no to sin EVERYTIME you are tempted...Having the freewill to say no to everything Satan throws at us. Being Pure infront of our Savior...They taught being "saved"...however, I rarely saw any of these so called Holy people really living like they believe they can live...Holy. I may have lost some of you by now but for those who are following I am truly confused about living a Holy life...I really don't think it is obtainable...I don't know if people just convince themselves into this state of mind, but I really have never met someone who is Holy as God is Holy...the reason I say that is b/c I have been referred back to the Bible when God says "be ye holy as I am holy" but is that truly possible to do? I mean can someone really say no to sin EVERYTIME they are tempted. I don't believe so. I think we all sin, we all have our struggles and when we overcome one we just end up aquiring a new struggle...it is life. I once questioned an evangalist about this holiness way of life...being "sanctified" as I have been brought up to know it. I asked him if he is holy, he said yes...my life is placed wholly in God's hands...we talked a few more minutes and then he got up to preach...the music had been true worship to God and you could just feel the Holy Spirit in the air...then he gets up, this man who 15mins before just said God has everything...and he broke the spirit of God up by advertising his CDS and Books he had to sell....I thought to myself, if he really trusts God with his life...why can't he trust him to sell CDS?! I guess these are the things that baffle me as a young Christian...I mean why is that the church spends so much time getting the word yet not sharing it with those who need to hear it...I hear people say after church.."I really didn't get much out of the service today..." as if we go to church for ourselves....I guess I thought we go to church to WORSHIP God...not making ourselves feel better....It seems that every church is so worried about activities and music styles...WHAT ABOUT THE LOST? I mean what are we doing to reach them, not the overfeed Christians that take in the services and leave doing nothing with it...but they are HOLY??? I am really being honest when i say the world isn't turning me away from the church...it is the church people that make me want to never come back...
Believe me when I say in college I was a server at a local restaurant and do you know who severs hate most to serve??? You guessed it, the Church-goer-christian....I cannot even begin to count the sunday's I waited on the Family that just stopped in after church and in just hearing their conversation it almost 100% of the time went something like this.."can you believe what so-in-so wore today...her skirt was way too short..." or "Did you hear what so-in-so sang for special...he should have practiced more...it was horrible" and personal favorite..."Did you know that so-in-so asked for prayer today for her marriage...I bet they end up divorced." And to top it all off...they NEVER leave good tips, I used to joke with my fellow servers saying..."they only give their God 10% what did you think they would leave you?" I guess I just know what a Wonderful God I serve, I want to make HIM happy not vise versa...i want to worship him with my life, being honest that I am never going to be perfect...that I do mess up, and sometimes they are biggies...but that I want to make him happy...I am just really confused...Can anyone help?
 
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Christ Jesus!!! is the answer. ((WELCOME! 4h1sGl0ry to TALK-JESUS.))

Every good thing we have and every good thing we are comes from and through our LORD, Christ Jesus, and that includes our Holiness, it is a gift that we receive through him and by no other means. AMEN

Many church goers are disenlighten by looking to other church goers and or themselves when they should just keep their focus on the LORD.



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4h1sGl0ry said:
Hello! I am a preachers daughter in need of some christian guidance. First, I would like to clearly state that I love my God, he is a wonderful friend and savior to me. However, having grown up in the church for 25 years, my father being the pastor, my mom the secretary and pianist...I have such a bad taste of what the "church" is all about. Let me give you an example of my confusion/frustration...My father's church/my old church (I now no longer go to a church although do teach at a Christian school)...anyway, my old church taught Holiness...being able to say no to sin EVERYTIME you are tempted...Having the freewill to say no to everything Satan throws at us. Being Pure infront of our Savior...They taught being "saved"...however, I rarely saw any of these so called Holy people really living like they believe they can live...Holy. I may have lost some of you by now but for those who are following I am truly confused about living a Holy life...I really don't think it is obtainable...I don't know if people just convince themselves into this state of mind, but I really have never met someone who is Holy as God is Holy...the reason I say that is b/c I have been referred back to the Bible when God says "be ye holy as I am holy" but is that truly possible to do? I mean can someone really say no to sin EVERYTIME they are tempted. I don't believe so. I think we all sin, we all have our struggles and when we overcome one we just end up aquiring a new struggle...it is life. I once questioned an evangalist about this holiness way of life...being "sanctified" as I have been brought up to know it. I asked him if he is holy, he said yes...my life is placed wholly in God's hands...we talked a few more minutes and then he got up to preach...the music had been true worship to God and you could just feel the Holy Spirit in the air...then he gets up, this man who 15mins before just said God has everything...and he broke the spirit of God up by advertising his CDS and Books he had to sell....I thought to myself, if he really trusts God with his life...why can't he trust him to sell CDS?! I guess these are the things that baffle me as a young Christian...I mean why is that the church spends so much time getting the word yet not sharing it with those who need to hear it...I hear people say after church.."I really didn't get much out of the service today..." as if we go to church for ourselves....I guess I thought we go to church to WORSHIP God...not making ourselves feel better....It seems that every church is so worried about activities and music styles...WHAT ABOUT THE LOST? I mean what are we doing to reach them, not the overfeed Christians that take in the services and leave doing nothing with it...but they are HOLY??? I am really being honest when i say the world isn't turning me away from the church...it is the church people that make me want to never come back...
Believe me when I say in college I was a server at a local restaurant and do you know who severs hate most to serve??? You guessed it, the Church-goer-christian....I cannot even begin to count the sunday's I waited on the Family that just stopped in after church and in just hearing their conversation it almost 100% of the time went something like this.."can you believe what so-in-so wore today...her skirt was way too short..." or "Did you hear what so-in-so sang for special...he should have practiced more...it was horrible" and personal favorite..."Did you know that so-in-so asked for prayer today for her marriage...I bet they end up divorced." And to top it all off...they NEVER leave good tips, I used to joke with my fellow servers saying..."they only give their God 10% what did you think they would leave you?" I guess I just know what a Wonderful God I serve, I want to make HIM happy not vise versa...i want to worship him with my life, being honest that I am never going to be perfect...that I do mess up, and sometimes they are biggies...but that I want to make him happy...I am just really confused...Can anyone help?
 
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Yeshua said:
Every good thing we have and every good thing we are comes from and through our LORD, Christ Jesus, and that includes our Holiness, it is a gift that we receive through him and by no other means. AMEN

Many church goers are disenlightened by looking to other church goers and or themselves when they should just keep their focus on the LORD.



I agree with Yeshua here. It is looking to other churchgoers that can make us dissatisfied, believe me there are lots of dissatisfied Christians out there, you are not on your own. If our focus is kept on the Lord and not on other Christians we cannot go wrong. A personal relationship with Jesus means keeping our eyes on Him, walking with Him day by day. We can each meet non-believers in the workplace, where we live etc. We are the only "church" some of them will ever see. Jesus loves you and He wants you to worship Him and Him only. The way I look at it is if these other Christians don't want a close walk with the Lord that's up to them, but I do and I'll follow Him, after all it's God we answer to one day not other people. "But the hour is coming and now is, when the true worshippers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him." John 4 v 23 - the Father is seeking true worshippers!!!
 
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4h1sGl0ry,
First and foremost welcome to Talk Jesus, May God Bless you as you fellowship here.




I see your dilemma. I see you have run in with pseudo Christianity. Many do not even know they are not true Christians, for many have been taught falsely.

My Brotherinlaw has told me he too has noticed some of the most rude and inconsiderate customers on Sundays is those who just got out of Church. This is truly sad that this is the case.


But you are correct in saying that we are not holy. We are nothing but worms.
Jesus Christ is our Holiness for it is His Holiness , for if the Father were to look upon us without the blood of Christ we would all be cast away.


This is why it is so important to pray and read the word and have fellowship with other believers. But when a church body is teaching contrary to scripture we need to stand up for the word of God. If the "Church" turns from its wrong ways the Praise God, if they refuse and are still in conflict with the word of God continue to pray for them but you may just have to shake the dust off your feet and move one to a new church.

Peace be with you,
John
 
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I hear you. You are not alone in how you feel. First the Word of God says in Romans 3:23 " for all have sinned and fall short of the glory God." Many churches only preach the Word in part.

No one church has it all. The vanity of man says we are holy, our church has the best worship, we have the best.... fill in the blank. They are not looking to the Lord, usually they are looking to the pastor as their god. They place their christianity on other people, not on their relationship with Jesus Christ. I have been in churches that on the outside you think, they don't have this, they can't sing. But the Spirit of the Lord is strong in these places, because the focus is Jesus Christ. The love of the Lord is in the house.

Please do not base your walk with the Lord on small minded people. God is bigger than that. Church is a place to worship the Lord. A place of fellowship, to give of our selves. Man will disappoint you everytime. You won't find a perfect church, but find one that you can feel the most comfortable.

It is sad when a Pastor preaches a standard that is not attainable. Please keep your eyes on Jesus Christ.

Welcome to TJ I think you might be able to find some good christian fellowship here.

Your sister in Christ,
ALabasterBox :girl:

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well that was quit a welcome. into of your self... LOL

welcome to TJ is all's i say evry one else has given you great answers and responses that would not really differ to mine
i am please you are with us here

Love Simon!!!
 
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Hi there 4h1sGl0ry :love: I can feeeeeeeeel with you :love: maybe we will meet in Chat sometime . . .Welcome to TalkJesus :love: may God touch your heart every time you enter this beautiful place :love: Thanks for joining us :love: Come and refresh . . .Jesus will heal you in His time :love:
 
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Welcome to talk Jesus! I know that you will enjoy your fellowship here with others! ( I do :smile: ) . I live in brooklyn Ohio so we are close by :smile:



Now I would like to touch on your concerns. Like all my brothers and sisters said before me they are right on!!! I want to also say thought that we are not to worry about those others that is for God to handle. All we can do is pray for them and maybe gently very gently one on one let them know that their behavior is not a fruit of the Spirit. But the best thing you as a person can do is let you light shine so that others will know how a true follower of Christ behaves.


God Bless you ! Joyfully ~ Jlu :love:
 
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