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Matthew 12:40

rstrats

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Whenever the three days and three nights of Matthew 12:40 is brought up in a "discussion" with 6th day crucifixion folks, they frequently suggest that it is a Jewish idiom for counting any part of a day as a whole day. I wonder if anyone has documentation that shows an example from the first century or before regarding a period of time that is said to consist of a specific number of days as well as a specific number of nights where the period of time absolutely doesn't/can't include at least a part of each one of the specific number of days and at least a part of each one of the specific number of nights?
 
I'm not exactly sure what you are trying to prove here?

Mat 12:40 for just as JONAH WAS THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS IN THE BELLY OF THE SEA MONSTER, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Three days and three nights is the same as 3 days.
Mat 17:23 and they will kill Him, and He will be raised on the third day." And they were deeply grieved.
Luke 9:22 saying, "The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed and be raised up on the third day."
Luke 18:33 and after they have scourged Him, they will kill Him; and the third day He will rise again."
Luke 24:7 saying that the Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again."
Luke 24:21 "But we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel. Indeed, besides all this, it is the third day since these things happened.
Luke 24:46 and He said to them, "Thus it is written, that the Christ would suffer and rise again from the dead the third day,

Acts 10:40 "God raised Him up on the third day and granted that He become visible,
1 Cor 15:4 and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,
 
B-A-C,
re: "I'm not exactly sure what you are trying to prove here?"
 

I say "what" in the OP.
 
Since it's been awhile, perhaps someone new looking in will know of some writing.
 
I probably should have addressed the OP to those who think that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week.
 
Whenever the three days and three nights of Matthew 12:40 is brought up in a "discussion" with 6th day crucifixion folks, they frequently suggest that it is a Jewish idiom for counting any part of a day as a whole day. I wonder if anyone has documentation that shows an example from the first century or before regarding a period of time that is said to consist of a specific number of days as well as a specific number of nights where the period of time absolutely doesn't/can't include at least a part of each one of the specific number of days and at least a part of each one of the specific number of nights?

Hello rstrats.

This is a very difficult question to understand rstrats.

What does the term "6th day crucifixion folks" mean?

Three days and three nights means what it says.
 
DHC,

re: "What does the term '6th day crucifixion folks' mean?


Those who think the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week.
 
DHC,

re: "More info rstrats, more info!"


I'm afraid I don't understand - more info about what?
 
DHC,

re: "More info rstrats, more info!"


I'm afraid I don't understand - more info about what?

Hello rstrats.

What is the significance of the fifth day, sixth day, or seventh day?

You need to provide more information in your thread so that we
may understand what you are asking. I have no idea what you
mean by the reference to the sixth day.

I have a vague idea that it might have something to do with
the day of the crucifixion of Christ?
 
DHC,

re: "I have a vague idea that it might have something to do with the day of the crucifixion of Christ?"
 

What part of "Those who think the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week" gave it away?
 
But the crucifixion did take place on the 6th day.. Sunday.. Monday, Tuesday, Wed, Thurs, Friday.. Friday is the 6th day.
 
james1523,

re: "But the crucifixion did take place on the 6th day.. "


So how do you get at least a part of 3 day time periods AND at least a part of 3 night time periods with a 6th day crucifixion?
 
james1523,

re: "But the crucifixion did take place on the 6th day.. "


So how do you get at least a part of 3 day time periods AND at least a part of 3 night time periods with a 6th day crucifixion?

Jesus was crucified on the Friday, as clearly stated in Mark 15:42 (day before the Sabbath, which is Friday):

Mark 15: 42 And when evening had come, since it was the day of Preparation, that is, the day before the Sabbath,

The 3 days and 3 nights is not to be considered literally. Prophetically, time periods are not strict periods of 24 hours, they are approximate only. The concept of time was different than it is today, for example for the Romans the day started at Midnight.
Anyone who counts literal years in our Calendar and considers the year time periods mentioned in the bible, will also find they are not exact time periods.
 
You can't fit 3 days and 3 nights between a Friday afternoon and a Sunday sunrise no matter which way you spin it
 
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Jesus's concept of 3 days was this: Today , tomorrow and the next day. That is 3 days. Friday (crucifixion), Saturday and Sunday (resurrection)

Luke 13:32 And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.

In the Hebrew concept of time, part of a day was considered a whole day. They are not literal 24 hour time periods in our time concept.
 
Jesus's concept of 3 days was this: Today , tomorrow and the next day. That is 3 days. Friday (crucifixion), Saturday and Sunday (resurrection)

Luke 13:32 And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.

In the Hebrew concept of time, part of a day was considered a whole day. They are not literal 24 hour time periods in our time concept.

A day in the life of a Hebrew was from sunset to sunset that was 1 day for them, just as God described a day as the evening(the night part) and the morning(the light part) was a day in Genesis during the creation period. Day and night = 1 day.

The only proof that Jesus gave that He was the Messiah was the precise duration that He would be in the ground just as Jonah was in the whale for three days and three nights
From the gospels and historians we see that there was a high Sabbath on the Thursday of crucifixion week. It was an annual Sabbath not the regular Saturday weekly Sabbath.
Late Wednesday afternoon burial would fit with a three day and three night calculation ending on Late Saturday afternoon when the resurrection occurred taking in the 2 preparation days and the fact that Jesus had already risen when people showed up early Sunday morning while it was still dark.That scenario would fulfill Jesus prophecy.
 
james1523,

re: "The 3 days and 3 nights is not to be considered literally."

Then you would think that there would be at least one actual example from the first century or before regarding a period of time that was said to consist of a specific number of days as well as a specific number of nights where the period of time absolutely couldn't have included at least a part of each one of the specific number of days and at least a part of each one of the specific number of nights.



re: "Jesus was crucified on the Friday, as clearly stated in Mark 15:42 (day before the Sabbath, which is Friday):..."

As judge not touched on, how can you be absolutely certain that the "preparation" mentioned in Mark 15:42 wasn't referring to the preparation for the passover as stated in John 19:14 - "Now it was the preparation day of the passover..."?
 


re: "Jesus's concept of 3 days was this: Today , tomorrow and the next day."

He's referring to calendar days. He doesn't say anything about day times AND night times contained in those calendar days as He specifically does in Matthew 12:40. If He knew that He was only going to be 2 nights in the tomb, why do you suppose He specifically said that it would be 3 nights?

Also, Matthew 27:63 and Mark 8:31 say that He would rise "after" three days. And Luke 24:21 indicates that the crucifixion couldn't have occurred any later than the 5th day of the week.
 
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