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Masturbation _ My Experiences, Scripture, and Concerns

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Can masturbation be a sin?
If you hurt or refuse to share pleasure with your spouse in bed, fulfilling only your own desires, is it then still holy?
If you are lusting after someone you ought not to have, is it holy?
If in your heart your imaginations break any of the commandments of YAH, is it not these things by which you sin?
If masturbation, marital sex, or even an otherwise good thing interfear with your rightly chores: work, relationships, focusing on ABBA, or that which is right by command of scripture, is it not excess or even idolatry?

My views:
If your thoughts are sinful, then it is the sin of your thoughts.

If your deeds are harmful, it is the sin of your deeds.

If your actions are neglectful, it is the sin of your neglect.

If your pursuits are consuming, then it is the sin of your consumption.

If you deny that which is good, you endeavor to make it evil.



I believe that by being told masturbation is a sin, when even were it not for my oath of celibacy, of which I have desperately repented many times after learning scripture, I have none whom I can marry in good faith, that will not be or is not already a sin for me to be with nor a detriment to my soul.

YAH is reasonable. Man is not. Scholars and believers agree that nothing to the matter of masturbation is mentioned in the bible, except by inference. For our God to be so direct and concisely clear on numerous other sins, and so vague that sparsely an argument is formed against masturbation, except to those who carefully pick through a very few scriptures and gather carefully implied meaning, is questionable to me, and many others, even disturbing.

The closest I have found: Leviticous -- "If a man's seed go out from him, he is unclean untio the even". Mentioned again in Dueteronomy with "in the night" added in, and as being separate from lying with a woman. So, wet dreams aren't a sin, simply unclean/messy. Having seed on garments and bedding is also mentioned as unclean.


This is the closest I have encountered to a good argument, based mostly on a single, lonely verse from the bible:

Yet, I still wonder if, as often occurs in sexless marriages, it is referring to adultery, as mentioned by Yahoshua: "If any man divorce his wife for any other than defilement of the marriage bed, he causes her to commit adultery." This directly indicates sex outside of marriage and temptation of companionship, not masturbation for a virgin who is patiently waiting.

My Mom did not want to have sex with my Dad, so he turned to porn and call-girls, or would rape her. My Mother's Father's wife refused to have sex with him, so he raped his daughter, siring my Mom, and then raped her, too!

Beyond that, the root meaning of porneia includes strippers, perverse artists and authors, homosexuals, and film or cartoon makers, as well as pedophiles (all child-philes), and zoophiles, as well as other unnatural sexual pursuits and desires such as bondage, crossdressing, transgender, transexual, etcetera. Masturbation, unless you actually are in lust with your self, viewing or desiring these materials or strange flesh, participating with someone else, or your desire is already founded in a known sin, is rare, but can *potentially* occur without such filth and wretchedness, though admittedly uncommon, usually.

Nonetheless, most masturbation arguments discuss confines to marriage for married couples. But what about living to 30, 40+ years of age as a virgin, waiting for a righteous spouse, rather then marrying an unbeliever for the sake of lust?

And what of my swearing myself to celibacy in ignorance and without righteous mortal guidance, when the bible says, "you shall hardly be released from your oath"? And as said by Yahoshua himself: "Do not swear [at all by anything/one], nor make oaths, neither any promises for [you are not God that you can ensure perfect execution of it]. Rather, let your answer be yay yay (yes yes) or nay nay (no no), for *ANYTHING MORE THAN THIS COMES FROM THE DEVIL.*"
 
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My background history:


My Dad was a cultist who worshiped himself as a supreme sexual being -- Mormonism.

My Mom despised sex and men, but lusted for it, and children and youths, and molested us.

My Dad taught me that the greatest thing I could ever do was marry and become a wife. The greatest thing is to commit yourself to Yahoshua.

My Mom told me masturbation was a dirty nasty sin, but it was better "to do that than fool around with men and burn in hell."

I first masturbated because I was desirous to marry and have children one day, and did not want to burn in hell for that *wicked, evil, nasty, sinful thing* I desired.


I am 31 this month of October 2021, and I have to face being raped our dog about 20 years ago when I didn't yet know what sex was and couldn't defend myself and most humans don't believe it physically possible and mock me for it, molested by my Mom and Brother, peeped on by my Brother, my Brother desiring to rape me, raped by a demon in the haunted apartment we lived in, and having a multitude of comorbid bowl and sexual disorders from all this trauma as well as IBS, and other physical and physiological disorders.



So, after that brief, my Salvation story:


In my teens, I accidentally discovered porn as a teen after the "I don't want to burn in hell", first attempt at masturbation, and got into beastiality porn, but eventually branched over to human porn.

At late 17, before the month of my birth or barely into it, I was Saved when I finally learned about rendering my sins from my Brother, upon hearing the phrase "You need to get Saved" in an online sermen and having my world zoom in on that, and leave me trembling violently for 3 days and asking "What is get Saved? How do I do that?" And not being told by our Mother -- Dad was out of the picture on my 13th birthday.

In that prayer, wherein all I knew is I was already committed to "God" and trusting in Him for all my life and needs, and for my plan to run away from home the day after my birthday, take nothing, live by "God", "find a husband, have lots of children, and do better than my parents ever did" I said the words for the first time, something like:
I render my sins and ask "Jesus" to be my Lord and Savior, and I will serve you [God] all the days of my life, please forgive me my sins, and give me the Holy Spirit.

Then, I felt a troubling, as if I could not close the prayer, as if I needed to render more: which was my desire to do my own will, run away, get married to whomever, have kids, and hopefully convert all the above and serve "God" all the days of my life, because I believed my *only value* as a human being, by that point, was to be a wife and mother. I wanted God to fulfill my will, rather than submitting to His, and I held sex and marriage on par with serving God and as the last to goals I had left in life.

However, the words came to me "I swear never to marry nor know any man".

It is written, and said by Yahoshua himself: "Do not swear [at all by anything/one], nor make oaths, neither any promises for [you are not God that you can ensure perfect execution of it]. Rather, let your answer be yay yay (yes yes) or nay nay (no no), for *ANYTHING MORE THAN THIS COMES FROM THE DEVIL.*"

I, not knowing this, being ignorant, just discovering Salvation and asking for my Lord to be my guide and Protector, and for my intercessor, and the Comforter, was ensnared in the very first prayer for Safety and Deliverance ... I received the Holy Spirit that night, upon my bed, while I slept, and was so overwhelmed I was nearly thrown by the power of the feel, but remained there, burning in the Spirit. I then suffered demonic torment for months (many days) after, trusting in God, sleeping with my bible, clutching my cross, often drawing the cross in air and on everything including myself, and praying without ceasing, night and day. I was delivered.

I spent the next 3 years unable to recall nor desire porn, perverse masturbation, or my former sins beyond knowing they had once existed, and did no longer.

But, what of my swearing myself to celibacy in ignorance and without righteous mortal guidance, when the bible says, "you shall hardly be released from your oath"? There is mention in the scripture that if a woman swear in her father's, in the day he hear.of the oath, she shall be free from it. But I was in my Mother's apartment. Although, later, our Dad did reject it for my Brother and I, and my Brother had made the same oath as an 8 year old when he was first Saved, not wanting to be like our violent parents. Further, I repented upon learning this scripture. Moreover, my Brother, though when he first heard of it said it was between me and the Lord and said little more, now that he understands, though it's been years, he now admits if he'd known he'd have slapped me and told me not to say such a thing. Finally, YAH is my Father.
 
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So, now for MY EXPERIENCES WITH MASTURBATION:

I was 21, no lust in my heart, when I was stricken with a uterin cyst that caused me to be bed ridden in agony, unable to hardly eat or relieve myself, hunched over hard, barely able to walk or crawl, and bleeding heavily on my period for 17 days. I never received medical attention, as our Mother had comtrol over our lives, and didn't and wouldn't help me.

I *had* to get my school work done (online college -- please, it's better to have human contact than risk the deadly lonliness for years of isolation). So, I got myself into the desk chair beside my bed, and tried to do school work, only for agony to consume me so thorowly that my muscles turned me into a closed lap top forcing my torso into my legs, with the actual open laptop fusing to my face and thr desk beneath it to my legs as I remained trapped in that possition begging God to relieve the pain. I had my fingers pressed against my vaginal opening, pressing them for warmth and pressure at rach wave of horrific agony. I experienced no sexual pleasure nor thoughts, neither was there anything sexual anywhere to be seen; I only did it becease the warmth and pressure helped relieve some pain, as I prayed for help lest merge with my laptop, already stuck to my desk, unable to pry myself free.

I had an orgasm. Most of my pain washed away, my muscles relaxed, I could get up! I went to take a shower, after so many days, for I was finally able to get into the tub on my own! I praised God for freeing me and helping me and giving me healing and agony relief! I, recognising the orgasm as a pain relief, used that to further promote healing, and guard me from being crippled by pain and muscular (and turning into a laptop again) -- vague images of concepts of two lovers in my mind provide itself to aid my self stimulous for the sake of continuing in fighting the hellish physical condition I was in. Yet, I told myself, but wait, "masturbation is a sin", so I hated myself, and begged for forgiveness, conflicted over how an orgasm I had no control over -- which I did and still do consider God's mercy -- could "help me".

If "all good comes from God", and that was undeniably a good thing that happened, how then is it a sin when I had no lust neither desire nor pursuit of any perversion, only all-consumed pleading for mercy from consuming agony? Did I need to repent of an orgasm I never intended to cause, when it was merciful grace and medicine unto me? There is nothing but condemnation in standard "Christianity" for my experience, and accusations of lust or devilry that *were not there*, or do you know my heart better than God Almighty? I was in too much pain to do any more than beg God for help, as I fused with my desk and laptop thereon, unable to free myself!

I had already been told in the past, as a teen (16), that for the severe problems I had with my womb, the 2 methods of treatment were birth control and dilation therapy, neither of which were legal for me then. Recalling this, I prayed with God for help and direction, since Mother would not allow me birth control (that'd make me a ****/*****), and something was still wrong in there, I went down, behind her back, and purchased a vibrator from Walgreens. It hurt at first, but it helped, and continued to help me for 3.25 years. After the uterine cyst, Mother, finally, after months of pleading, let me see a doctor. I was given birth control, bled worst of all my life, for 21 days, and was exhausted and about bedridden by the end of that, only to near immedietly start another period for length of days.

I shed my unhealthy uterine lining -- horrifying! -- and became regular for the first time. I kept with the birth control until my period lessened to a full stop, which concerned me, so then I quite it, and continued with the vibrator, remaining regular and healthier for years. Further changes to diet to remove foods of allergy and intollerance made my period milder as I cared for my "immuno-compromised" metabolism. My health greatly improved!

So, having the relief of removing Nightshades, and always suffering in perpetual self-hatred and self-condemnation over what most Christians considered a sin, I quite masturbation for months at a time, and threw out my vibrator and its replacement dildo, because the vibrator finally broke.

Since quitting masturbation, my prior medical conditions, including Proctalgia fugax, sudden phantom pains (without intercourse, and triggered by molestation memories), irregularity, severe and life threatening menstraul symptoms (now diagnosed PMDD), severe depression and anxiety issues have all come back with a vengeance, though I remain far closer to regular than before, and having learned muscle control from dilation/masturbation therapy, could disengage or brace for and even prevent pains. I later got physical therapy to further help me control and reduce pain, but, masturbation with assist of an adult tool helped/helps most.

_ Anal, rectal, intestinal, vaginal, and even uterine "Charlie Horses" _ brief, but sharp, and can last a couple minutes or so, and may occur frequently for up to a month or more, or around menstruation:
_ Proctalgia fugax, a variant of Levator Ani Syndrome


Other *actually experienced and reliable benefits of masturbation* I have known:

Mends and promotes regularity of possibly life threatening bowl habbits.
Reduces anxiety and depression.
Helps with sleep.
Reduces PMDD symptoms.
Eliminates Proctalgia fugax.
Regulates hormones and reduces menstrual symptoms even though done outside of menstruation.
I have been able to do it in *clear conscience*, feeling no shame nor spiritual condemnation, praising YAH wholeheartedly, and even *after asking ABBA if I may* and feeling/perceiving "Yes", when I had free time from chores, which had gone fruitfully that day of faithfulness and spiritual abundance!

It is not fornication nor adultry -- I have never had sex!
Though, even without masturbation, one can harbor such desires in their heart! "If you so much as *look upon* a woman [or man!] with desire to have her [or him] it is adultry."

I am not contemplating anyone real, for to lust after them, only the concept or made up scenarios with usually self-made-up characters.

I, though ignorant, (and by the biblical words of our Savior's own warning: ), was fooled by the devil to swear myself to celibacy, to which my understanding of the scriptures appears to potentially bind me unto death, unless I can repent of it for having not known better.

Even still, I have no one to marry, and the Lord warns heavily against marrying the unbelievers, lest they turn you away from Him as Solomon's wives caused Solomon to go a ******* after idols. And that is an all-consuming sin, to forsake the Lord of our Salvation, and especially, by the endless prompting of wicked aspousal, to not repent of it and throw them out for idolatry (they'd be killed in the Old Testament)!



"Seek after those things which are noteworthy, praiseworthy, chaste, of good report." Masturbation helps me medically in multiple ways for multiple conditions, even from conditions that induce severe suicidal ideation (PMDD). It also helps me psychologically, emotionally, and gives me all these reasons to praise YAH. Yet, I am told it's a sin and I must stop. I've prayed that if ABBA doesn't want me to do it, then to provide me help for my healing, yet I suffer, even life threatening disorders and conditions and complications if I don't do it. If it does all this good, why am I being MADE TO LIE, to say it is purely evil/harm and sinful?

If all these things are to be benefits reaped strictly within marriage, what of my ignorant swearing to celibacy, and what of having neither option nor opportunity for holy union if I am releasable from this oath? And what of other Christians waiting decades in virginity to be married the first time, which is becoming more common!? I can't get "Christians" to read scripture with me apart from my Saved Brother! I don't even have trustworthy friends in person most of the time, for this issue of false doctrines and determined/fierce unbelievers! ("Old Testament is irrelevant", "You should speak in tongues if you're really Saved", when the scriptures speak against these very things outright!!!)
 
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A Different Argument Concerning Masturbation



Mattew 5:28-30 If a man lusts (desires for to have) a woman, he has committed *adultery* with her already. Not fornication, adultery. One of them is married, and this is breaking the Holy covenant of marriage. Yet, to note, a man can take multiple wives and even concubines (slaves or servants given over against their ability to contest the matter), which many righteous men did, including Abraham, Isaac?, and Jacob, and king David. Further this word for lust means to desire to possess.

Many men are shown to be desirous of women in the bible for to have them to wife, even while waiting years for to receive them to wife, and it is not condemned. Surely, women had desires, too.

Further, many righteous men and women of the bible remained in abstinence and virginity for decades at a time. Isaac was married at 40! Are we to assume they never masturbated?

Furthermore, if a man seduce a virgin to lay with her, he is to take her to wife, and there is *no sin offering* to be made. However, if the father of the damsel that was a virgin deny the man, the man shall pay the damsel's father the price for a virgin because he "humbled" her. There is *still no sin offering.*

In Leviticus, if a man's seed goes out from him, he is unclean until the even, he shall wash his clothing and bedding with water, and dwell outside the camp, and be unclean until the even; but *there is still no sin offering*.

Deuteronomy has the same verse, but mentioning that it be in the night, implicating wet dreams. However, Leviticus does not make this distinction. Why? Further, there is still *no mention of a sin offering*.

Further, it is written, that if the man's seed of copulation be on any garment, or bedding, or anything, it shall be washed and is likewise unclean until the even. Likewise, there is still *no mention of a sin offering*.

Moreover, if a man lay with a woman, even if married, he shall be unclean until the even, but *there remains no sin offering.*

Yes, a man and woman are to be together (Genesis), and one should marry lest they burn in their lust (1 Corinthians 7:9), but this does not mention masturbation definitively, and may refer to the temptation of resisting fornication or other previously mentioned, and clearly stated sin, listed in the same chapter and many others. Lust being here means to burn with passion. Paul mentions this in regard to lacking self-control. If we interpret this as inability to resist fornication or other verified sins, there those who are consumed to pursue ******* to, like the man who killed John Wilks Booth who shot Abraham Lincoln, and then made himself a eunic to serve our Lord and the US. If we take this as yearning, Paul says "it is better," and not that they shall burn in hell. Why be straightforward about sin in the same chapter, and here to simply say, "it is better" than to yearn with passionate longing. We assume "burn" means in hell fire, but the Greek says otherwise, and gives no mention of actual fire or hell fire, at all.

"Walk not after the flesh, but in Spirit". Desire and yearning are not listed as sins, for we should desire a spouse, marriage, children, even when we are forced into celibacy waiting for that day. Yearning for a specific individual in your virginity for to marry them is not a sin. Yearning for your spouse is not a sin. If you yearn in trust of YAH and holy longing, though you crave the comfort and companionship of a spouse, this is not a sin! But keep your focus on YAH! And do not despair, and do not put one another down with accusations and condemnations that the Law of YAH does not support.

I crave cake. It is not gluttony. It is good to feast and to celebrate at times, and our Lord appointed days for it. Thank YAH!

I crave marriage. It is good. Thank YAH!

I crave companionship. It is good. Thank YAH!

I crave extra sleep on my days of rest when I am fatigued from long work hours that do not honor the Lord's day, nor Sabbaths, nor the duties of the woman and chores of the home, and which deprive me and cause me to extend my availability beyond the "12 hours for the day" in the 6 days of the week. It is not sloth. It is good to have rest, and our Lord appointed days and hours, and respect of all life's chores/works. HalleluYAH!



Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
2 Peter 1:20‭-‬21 KJV

Yet, we have all these folks saying, "it is implied here, if you look closely, it is carefully hid there", but though the Greek has an actual word for masturbation, and does not list it under porneia (Does anyone know the ancient Hebrew word for masturbation?), this word is never used, yet many things less frequent to occur or as controversial are explicitly mentioned.

Why do we demand that it be implied, when even such exceptional specifics of beastiality, various forms of incest, and even porneia includes pedophilia and homosexuality, and cross dressing is mentioned, and *******, and sexual displays also under porneia (includes pole dancing and other explicit acts, none penetrating)?

What other sin is *only* implied, despite prominence? Even abortion is condemned by death as mischief for to cause a woman to lose her fruit!

Scholars, church leaders, and believers the world over ask, "where is it mentioned?", only to hear, "it's implied!", and the foundation of the argument is based on a few scriptures that discuss the sins of *adultery*, Onen (sp) refusing to raise seed to his brother -- the child of whom would inherit the right of the firstborn -- though he had no qualms having sex with her!, being alone and unwed with passion, and desiring unnatural sexual encounters and strange flesh, or giving into the lusts of the flesh.

On that last one, sex within marriage harbors desire, yet is not this wicked "lust", which we vaguely describe as all sexual desires. Further, while gluttony of drugs, alcohol, food, luxury, and sex (there is even a separate word for this form of excess in the new testament) is condemned, it is not wrong to drink, eat cake, feast, use medicine, and have wealth. We are condemning virgins for having God given desire, and even holy passions for future spouses, because they are unfortunate enough to not be wed!

Yet, the Lord warns many times, "do not marry strange women, neither marry among the heathen, lest they should cause you to go a ******* after strainge gods" and you forget me, forsake me, come to swell in sin as and perversion as the nations before you.

It is *better to marry* lest you yearn/burn with passion. *But don't marry the unbelievers lest they ensnare your soul. Further, is it righteousness to pursue marriage not for YAH and in self-control, and patience, and trust, but to marry whomever because you're horny or frightened of dwelling in abstinence with passion that compels you to masturbate at times? It is worse to defy our Lord, and dwell with sinners, whom we are told to flee from, lest we fall pray to their wicked ways! Said all over scripture, even concerning friendship.



How about this:

Let us concern ourselves with fellowship, and have compassion and mercy upon the long-suffering virgins. Maybe it will help relieve their stress, help them endure, edify and uplift them, comfort them of loneliness and sorrow, and potentially help them draw closer to a righteous spouse than dwell in fear of congregational condemnation?
 
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Oh!, what if we list *ALL* the scriptures that imply or infer any such concept that may indicate masturbation?




^Excellent mention that shame if one's own desires and sexuality often leads toward sexual deviance, including homosexuality, beastiality, porn, etc. Further good point: if it's a problem for you, then there are things that may be a matter of personal venture that are sin for one and not the other, as Paul mentioned, for some ((and as Paul said, be respectful of them!!)) are weaker brethren. It does *not* mean they stay this way!! But we all have to start somewhere. :)




Yahoshua's mention of "adultery" in Mathew 5:28

Paul's mention of it being "better" to marry than to burn in lust (Greek: burn with desire), if you have not "self-control": 1 Corinthians 7:9
Masturbation? Or urge toward fornication or adultery? Or a *better* way than suffering in loneliness?

The others I can think of are in the links, already.


YAH bless us all, and guide us in the Way, the Truth, and the Life. In the name of Yahoshua, selah/amen.



I know my sources are one sided, but that is because this is the first time it occurred to me to type in "Leviticus is a man's seed go out from him masturbation", which I've never done before! These results and verses from Leviticus and Deuteronomy have never come up for me when searching for "is masturbation a sin?" How refreshing that others are actually discussing this! I actually troubled that I appeared to be alone (exceedingly minuscule minority), though I *figured* I could not be!
 
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Well could you consider anything that is addictive drinking, drugs, cigarettes, masturbation as that can be addictive as any drug but you do it so much it’s like going on autopilot, then after awhile it’s not even satisfying anymore
Like you are trying to fill a need but getting nowhere, but you are opening yourself up to unclean spirits because after awhile “ normal porn” doesn’t do it and you start to look at real people ( not porn actors “ if u can call them that”) like a peice of meat instead of our fathers image
Would you consider that a form of idolatry?
I know people that consider anything that takes the attention from god and gives more attention to fleshly pleasure to be a sin
I’m not judging I have read your story and it’s not something I can imagine dealing with myself plus flesh pleasures is somthing the enemy knows how to use to get his hooks in you and make you a slave to him
The worst I got was a beating once in awhile,
I know that god killed a man for spilling his seed on the ground but it was for him not fulfilling his “ duties” of Torah not the seed itself
When people consider it a sin it’s more for the reasons above to covet something more than the lord is what I gain from the subject—- I’m no expert—- but again I have read your story and I’m saddened by the mistreatment you went through
You obviously are looking for help and I see you posting I don’t want you to think you are not noticed and wanted you to know I’m praying for you
I’m in no way a councilor or therapist but I can pray and there is power in that, we all have gods ear and through him miracles can happen
You are not alone
SHALOM :love:
 
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Well could you consider anything that is addictive drinking, drugs, cigarettes, masturbation as that can be addictive as any drug but you do it so much it’s like going on autopilot, then after awhile it’s not even satisfying anymore
Like you are trying to fill a need but getting nowhere, but you are opening yourself up to unclean spirits because after awhile “ normal porn” doesn’t do it and you start to look at real people ( not porn actors “ if u can call them that”) like a peice of meat instead of our fathers image
Would you consider that a form of idolatry?
I know people that consider anything that takes the attention from god and gives more attention to fleshly pleasure to be a sin
I’m not judging I have read your story and it’s not something I can imagine dealing with myself plus flesh pleasures is somthing the enemy knows how to use to get his hooks in you and make you a slave to him
The worst I got was a beating once in awhile,
I know that god killed a man for spilling his seed on the ground but it was for him not fulfilling his “ duties” of Torah not the seed itself
When people consider it a sin it’s more for the reasons above to covet something more than the lord is what I gain from the subject—- I’m no expert—- but again I have read your story and I’m saddened by the mistreatment you went through
You obviously are looking for help and I see you posting I don’t want you to think you are not noticed and wanted you to know I’m praying for you
I’m in no way a councilor or therapist but I can pray and there is power in that, we all have gods ear and through him miracles can happen
You are not alone
SHALOM :love:
No, no, no, no, no, not porn, or excessive masturbation. Only occasionally, and without porn, or addiction.

I am glad you are thinking of me. I want to help others going through these terrible struggles. Especially those who've been raped or sexually assaulted by animals : there's nothing out there that I've found yet, but our Father's Love. I have done well, to my own surprise, confronting this! Our Father has helped me through, and given me others to hear and share sympathies and personal and impersonal testimonies.

I've thought more about this since last I was on, and while I struggle with the idea that madturbation appears not to be a sin and with searching for evidence and Truth, as it *is*, some things come to light :

Typically noted as
adultry __ unwed ?
idolatry __ minimalistic and not consuming in pursuit or yearning, nor of worshipful contemplations.
addiction __ occasional ?
fornication __ not contemplative of, nor obsessing over, real individuals ?

selfish pleasure __ lonely birthday cake, candy for one, ear buds, countless items and articles of possession -- not a sin, unless it becomes love of money

self-harming __ has proven medical benefits, and can even heal mind, heart, body, and console a troubled soul, as well as assist struggling married couples, rape victims, infertility and pain and urinary difficulty caused by constrained urethra in males , and more




It bothers me that pastures smudge, fudge, twist, manipulate, and ignore scripture, social variance, concepts of thought, individual circumstances, and solid evidence, as well as the existence and persistence of single persons.

Further, it bothers me that the Catholic and Mormon, Islamic, atheists, and other cults are some of the most avid against it, promote hot pursuit of marriage within the congregation or otherwise direct pursuit of illicit sex as the "cure" to the "sin of masturbation ".


WE'RE AGREEING WITH CULTISTS ? ! ? ! \O_O'/
 
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“And whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him.” -Colossians 3:17

Do all things to the glory of God. If you can masterbate to the glory of God, go for it, if you can't, don't.

Which path seems more likely to bring God glory, one, the other, both?


When we put Jesus at the center and start from there, instead of self, the path to truth will be clearer. Love and God bless.
 
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the bible tells us sexually immoral people will not inherit the kingdom of God, this verse literally tells is if you are doing such and such you are not going to heaven. What you do how you live is proof on wear you are headed when you die.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
 

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