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MARK OF GOD OR MARK OF THE BEAST

By Betty Miller

Scripture's Description of the Beast


Revelation 13:1-18

[LEFT]1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.[/LEFT]

2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? 5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies: and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him,

whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Decoding Revelation

Revelation is a coded book. It was written for Christians so that only they could understand it. Those who do not have the Holy Spirit are bewildered by the imagery in this book of the Bible. Even as Christians we have difficulty when approaching Revelation. How do we understand its code? The Bible interprets itself so we can understand Revelation by looking to other portions of the Bible for clues to its interpretation. When we study one portion of the Bible, we can find the same truth in another portion that sheds light on what we are studying. Since Revelation is a coded book, we won't understand it without the help of God's Spirit who inspired it, plus a child-like approach to His Word. We must have God's Spirit and an understanding of the Scriptures to comprehend Revelation. Revelation was written symbolically; a great deal of it is not literal. If we don't understand that Revelation is speaking of spiritual things, then we're going to misinterpret it. We'll end up looking for literal frogs and heads and horns and an actual beast.

To illustrate a portion of the code that almost all Christians are familiar with, consider the usage of the term "lamb." We know when the Scripture refers to "the Lamb," it is symbolically referring to Jesus and His sacrificial death on the cross as He was "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world" (Revelation 13:8). It is not referring to a literal lamb, the offspring of a sheep. So for us to understand the symbolism of the "beast," we must go to the Scripture for that definition. A modern-day analogy is that we could not operate a computer unless we understood computer language. We must get a Bible definition of "beast" and the Bible definition of "mark" to understand the mark of the beast.

"And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and I saw a beast rise up and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy" (Revelation 13:1).

God wants us to understand the meaning of the terms in this verse, and throughout all of Revelation. He promises that if we wholeheartedly seek Him, He will hear and answer (Jeremiah 29: 12, 13). If we want to understand, we can. It may not come all at once, but as we seek Him, He will open our eyes. One of our shortcomings as Christians is that many of us have listened to end-time teachings but never have asked the Holy Spirit if the teaching is the truth. We've considered ourselves ignorant and assumed the teachers must have all the answers. But God wants each one of us to understand His Word, and He will give us understanding as we seek Him for it. He will confirm His true teachings if we seek Him by faith and with a pure heart. We have a responsibility to "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good" (I Thessalonians 5:21).

Identifying the Beast

The beast spoken of in Revelation 13:1 is not the so-called Antichrist. In fact, the word "antichrist" is not even found in Revelation. When the Bible speaks of antichrist, it speaks of " the spirit of antichrist" and speaks in the plural rather than the singular. There are several such references in 1 and 2 John.

Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that anti-christ shall come, even now are there many anti-christs; whereby we know that it is the last time" (I John 2: 18).

"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is anti-christ, that denieth the Father and the Son" (1 John 2: 22).

"And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of anti-christ, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world" (1 John 4: 3).

"For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an anti-christ" (2 John 1: 7).

Throughout the Scriptures, the word "beast" refers to a system, and not to a man. The beast is a system that rules the world; it's an antichrist system. Daniel 7 speaks of beasts and identifies them as earthly kingdoms. So the beast in Revelation is a beastly system that's ruling the world (it's a dictator beast). This beast is not just one human being, rather it is a system that has infiltrated every area whether it be politics, medicine, art or science; the beastly system is everywhere. This system is typically overseen by a powerful government with those in power making decisions that perpetrate the worldly system throughout mankind.

When Revelation 13:1 speaks of the beast rising up out of the sea, what is meant by the sea? The Scriptures speak of the sea as "masses of humanity." This beastly system is rising up out of humanity, out of all the people on the earth. When John, the author of Revelation, stood upon the sand of the sea, he was standing upon that which could not be numbered, among all the people of the earth.

Symbolism of Numbers in Scripture

This beast rising up out of the sea has seven heads (Revelation 13:1). Numbers are often symbolic in the Scriptures with the number seven standing for perfection, completion. For example, when Jesus told Peter to forgive "seventy times seven" (Matthew 18:21-22, "Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven."); He did not mean to forgive 490 times. He was telling Peter to forgive completely and perfectly. To the Jew, numbers were descriptions rather than mathematics as each number represented something. Since we will be dealing with several of these symbolic numbers in this chapter, listed below are the Jewish equivalents for each number (see glossary for detailed definitions):

1.) One symbolizes new beginnings and unity.
2.) Two symbolizes witness and division.
3.) Three symbolizes divinity, heaven and God.
4.) Four symbolizes earth and man.
5.) Five symbolizes grace and favor.
6.) Six symbolizes the world and is man's number; it falls short of seven; therefore, it is imperfection.
7.) Seven symbolizes perfection, completeness and abundance.
8.) Ten symbolizes obedience, completeness of order.
9.) Twelve symbolizes government, authority.
10.) Three and a half, being half of seven (perfection), is an indefinite period of time; it is a number of trouble and judgment.
When the beast is described as having seven heads, it speaks of completion or fullness of the wickedness and evil. Heads refer to leadership, to governments and to ruling. When we refer to the head of an organization or a group, we're speaking of the leadership. So seven heads would refer to fullness of governments. Seven heads mean the governments of the whole world (a New World order?). The headship of the governments is upon the beast. The ruling governments are right in the midst of the beastly system. In man's eyes, some governments are good and some evil. But in God's eyes they're all evil because they're not performing the will of God. No country is truly doing the will of God, even my own country which I do love and pray for. Of course, some governments are better than others because of the greater freedom they allow.

The beast in Revelation has ten horns. In the Bible, horns are symbolic of countries with world power and influence. A horn does not represent the whole beastly system that pervades the earth, but rather a country. A little horn would represent a little country. The countries have influence, but not as much as the whole power of the beast. So when the beast is seen with ten horns it speaks of influential countries in the world that are part of the system of the beast. One meaning of the number ten is completeness of order, so ten horns indicate how complete the involvement of smaller countries is with the beast, just as the seven heads of the beast show the involvement of major world powers.

Upon the horns are ten crowns. Crowns stand for authority and political influence. So we further see the beast system coming through the authority in the world, the governmental and political system.

The Beastly System World-Wide

We see, then, that we're not looking for an antichrist; we're looking for a beastly system. And it's already here. In error, people have been naming specific individuals as the antichrist, such as Hitler or even Hussein. Such individuals are all part of the beast system, but it's not a single person we're looking for. The beast is everywhere and we've all been contaminated to varying degrees by that system. People don't even realize they're being contaminated as they give heed to the thinking of the world's political and social leaders. They're receiving the system into their minds, then doing the works of the devil because they've unknowingly picked up his thinking.

The devil has so deceived the world, even the church. For example, even the church is full of divorces because the government and society say it's acceptable. They also say abortions are acceptable, so we have abortions even in the church. The beastly system has crept into the church and we're being marked by it. Many have it in their minds that divorce and abortion are acceptable, then they've committed those deeds with their hands. They've been marked in their minds and on their hands without even knowing it. They're waiting for some tattoo, thinking they'll refuse it when it comes, yet they're already receiving the spiritual mark of the beast. Should they come to a literal mark, they'll not be able to refuse it because the beast system has already become such a part of them. If we're not getting our minds marked with the Word of God (reading and meditating in the Bible and obeying it's commands), when the hour comes for a literal mark we'll not be able to say no to the system.

The system has become such a part of us. The government takes care of us. It has become God to many. The government takes care of the sick; they perform many social works; they handle much of retirement through social security here in the U.S.A. Are we dependent upon the government, or are we dependent upon God Almighty to take care of us? When the whole system of this world fails (and it will because it is not based on the word of God), we'll fall with it if we're not grounded in the system of God's kingdom. It's not wrong for us to receive from the government now as long as we acknowledge God as our source and not the system. Should the system fail and we no longer have social security or other provisions from the government, those overcoming Christians who have been receiving it will simply turn to God as their source, and He will provide for them another way as their faith is in God and not the system.

The Beast Behind War

"And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh. After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it. After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it" (Daniel 7:5-7a). This breaking of everything into pieces indicates warring and division, everyone crushing one another which is the goal of the dragon, the devil.

These beasts are governments of the world and the devil is within them. "It had great iron teeth" - tools for devouring, for warring. "Dreadful and terrible" - when the devil gets a hold of governments, they are dreadful and terrible. Every government that exists today got its power and position by overcoming and crushing the previous government or people who existed on that land. They are all beastly.

In studying Daniel, most theologians teach that these were four different powers that each ruled for a time and then fell. These were the Babylonian empire, the Media-Persian empire, the Greek empire under Alexander the Great, and the Roman empire. I have no problem with that as many times in Scripture there is a literal application as well as a spiritual one. In fact, the writing of this book is to show the spiritual application to the mark of the beast, while not discarding the fact we can face a literal mark also. But long before we face the literal mark, many may already be marked spiritually. So deceived, they will be unable to refuse the literal mark.

Now let's consider these beasts from a spiritual perspective. A leopard, an extremely fast animal, represents speed of conquest. He takes his prey quickly. We're living in an hour when men can take their prey quickly through high tech weapons and nuclear warfare. The powerful bear has a crushing force. A bear can easily crush the life out of a man. This bear symbolizes governmental systems that can easily crush people through military force. The lion symbolizes pride, ruling with pompous power. He looks majestic in his rule, but he's not, for he also eats his prey. So it is with world governments ruling in pride and pomp, yet within they're full of evil and devouring. They devour their own. The dragon, of course, represents Satan. He's behind every one of these beastly powers.

The Beast's Head Is Wounded

"And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?" (Revelation 13:4).

One thing this verse speaks of is war. Jesus prophesied that before His return there would be wars and rumors of wars (Matthew 24: 6). Concerning the wounding of one of the beast's heads, I believe that refers to an event that happened at Calvary. Some people try to fit all of Revelation into only the end times. But Revelation was not written just for us today; it was written for all of the church throughout history. Note how the wound came to this beast's head. Revelation 13:14 says the beast "had the wound by a sword, and did live." The dragon, which represents the devil, is part of the beast system. Who wounded the devil? Did not Jesus wound him with a crushing blow to the head? By His death on the cross, Jesus crushed Satan beneath his feet as was prophesied in Genesis 3:15, "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."

God's promise to Eve was that from her seed would come the one that would crush the enemy who deceived her. When Jesus died on the cross, he stripped Satan of all power. Satan was given a deadly blow. However, from there the church didn't take advantage of the truth that the enemy was stripped of his power. Because the church didn't take her authority over the defeated foe and hasn't throughout the centuries, the deadly wound was healed and the beast again raised his head.

The False Prophet Beast

"And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon" (Revelation 13:11). What beast is this? This refers to the false church, the counterfeit (the false prophet beast). This beast had two horns like a lamb meaning he looked like the church; he looked like Jesus, but he spoke as a dragon. Today in the church the dragon is speaking through many so-called pastors and church leaders (false prophets). It looks like the lamb; they've got "church" written on the outside and they perform religious ceremonies. But they're speaking like the dragon, not like the Lord.

This false church is leading millions to hell because the church members think they're on the right track and heading for heaven, yet they're being deceived. "And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast" (Revelation 13: 12a). In many countries there is a religious system that has much authority, even politically. This church power is ruling along with the government power. There are people within this church who are born-again Christians, but the church system itself is a beastly one. Many have taught that this particular religion is the beast, but it's false teachings are only a part of the beast. All false teachings and deceiving practices that have infiltrated any religious group make up the beast.

The False Church

This beast "...causeth the earth and them that dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed" (Revelation 13:12b). The false church, the false system, is causing millions of people to worship the devil without even realizing it. Millions think they're serving the Lord and going to heaven when in reality they're heading for hell because of the beastly system being preached throughout false churches, groups and movements. "And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men" (Revelation 13:13).

How many of us realize that not all miracles are from the Lord Jesus Christ? There are counterfeit miracles caused by the devil. Satan counterfeits all the things of God. For example, if someone prays for an individual's healing and healing occurs; if that healing was not done in Jesus' name, it's a false healing. Unless healing is done in Jesus' name, it's false. These "great wonders" and "fire coming down from heaven" represent false anointing. We refer to the power of the Holy Spirit as fire, as the anointing of God. In contrast, the false anointing has fallen on the false church.

There are supernatural things happening in the false church, but God is not the source of these supernatural occurrences. The Holy Spirit will always glorify Jesus and draw attention to Him not to a man. Many present day "miracles" are not causing men to repent and turn to Jesus but rather men are seeking these "power anointings" for the excitement of a new experience. Some of these so-called "miracles from heaven" are even creeping into the true church. Deception and delusion are so strong today and many of God's people do not have the discernment they should have to recognize the source of these miracles. Many times this is because of a lack of commitment and obedience on their part. Many are being deceived because holiness and purity are not being preached. The false churches are preaching a false gospel that is ensnaring many into its web of deceit. They represent the earnest attempt of millions of people to fulfill deep and legitimate needs of the human spirit.

The Mark of the Beast

"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: and that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six" (Revelation 13:16-18).

We cannot interpret this number (666) literally; we have to have the wisdom of God - "Here is wisdom" (Revelation 13:18a). 2 Thessalonians 2:3 speaks of "that man of sin." That word "man" in Greek is "anthropos," which can mean "mankind," a corporate body of men. It's not talking about a particular individual. "Anthropos" is the word used in 2 Timothy 3:17: "That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." "Man of God" is not referring to a man or one man, but rather to every man of God. Likewise, the number of the beast is not referring to one man; it's every man under the devil's influence and part of the beast's system.

In the Scriptures, "six" is the number representing man, so 666 stands for man at his highest level apart from God. That 666 is marked on the right hands and the foreheads representing conformity to the image of the beast, thinking Satan's thoughts and with the hands doing his evil works. Hands are symbolic of strength. The Bible tells us we're to love God with all of our heart, all of our soul, all of our strength, and all of our mind (Luke 10: 27). The strength of my hands should be used to glorify God, but those marked by the beast will use the strength of their hands to do evil works. This describes the beastly system's infiltration into mankind. Men are being marked by the beast without even realizing it because they're expecting one individual antichrist and a literal tattoo while spiritually they are already marked by the world.

The Number 666

Six is man's number. Symbolically, 666 is man trying to be like God, but he falls short of perfection (the number seven). Only through Christ are we perfect, and symbolically we could be marked by His spiritual number of 777 (that is, if He were to have a number). Humanism epotimizes the pride of man, as he tries to asume the role of God. 2 Thessalonians 2: 3-4 gives a perfect definition of humanism:

"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God."

Those who allow Satan in their temple, declaring humanistic wisdom, are exalting themselves above God and opposing God. In the following list of common humanistic teachings, we can easily see the mark of the beast.
 
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I didn't read your entire article so i don't know if you discussed this, but I've read in a news article that some company has come up with a chip called the "veri chip" and this chip will be implanted on your right hand or on your forehead (thats what I've read anyways), and in the future you won't be able to buy or sell anything unless you have this chip, appearently. I don't know if this is THE MARK of the BEAST and untill this happens if it does we won't know.

I think that if this happens the church will grow tremendously because all christians who didn't accept this mark which are the true christians will live in poverty and I think that we will all unite and live for GOD toegether and in his harmony.

God Bless
 
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souldier said:
I didn't read your entire article so i don't know if you discussed this, but I've read in a news article that some company has come up with a chip called the "veri chip" and this chip will be implanted on your right hand or on your forehead (thats what I've read anyways), and in the future you won't be able to buy or sell anything unless you have this chip, appearently. I don't know if this is THE MARK of the BEAST and untill this happens if it does we won't know.

I think that if this happens the church will grow tremendously because all christians who didn't accept this mark which are the true christians will live in poverty and I think that we will all unite and live for GOD toegether and in his harmony.

God Bless

That is scary to think about you know? That's crazy, I would never accept anything like that. And I'm never having kids, cause who's to say that they don't already do that in the hospitals when they do the baby's foot thing without you even knowing. I mean it's just plum crazy!

I would rather starve for my Lord, than eat and be merry with the devil.
 
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Hi Well thats a good lesson, but i have to disagree with Betty Miller...the scriptures are pretty convincing that the Man of Sin, or Son of Perdition, and the False Prophet are men/or human. But i will agree with Betty, that an antichrist system, or the mystery of iniquity, is already at work.


2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and [by] our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth [will let], until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness

I liked most of her study, it was something to think about.

God bless you all
 
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This is so interesting. i just read a book called "survivor" and it's really interesting. I'm not saying what the author wrote in there will happen, but he connects everything with the Bible and has a chapter review at the end of each chapter with scriptures to check out. I thought it was interesting that i started studying revalation and then i just see this thread. pretty odd. but yes, good stuff to know about even though we shouldn't fall into any conclusions without truly being possitive becuase it could result to DANGER and i mean real danger. but hey, We got God and He will tell us what we need to know. Read the scriptures and pray. the Holy Spirit will do the rest that you need. God bless you all. I love u!
Your sister, Tanya Maksimov
 
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I'm curious as to why the original article says Revelations is a 'coded' book - why would God make any part of His message coded? Surely He would want to make it available to as many people as possible? He explains quite clearly how we are saved (Romans 10:9) so why would He make anything difficult?
 
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Maven said:
I'm curious as to why the original article says Revelations is a 'coded' book - why would God make any part of His message coded? Surely He would want to make it available to as many people as possible? He explains quite clearly how we are saved (Romans 10:9) so why would He make anything difficult?

Betty Miller: is useing the word "code" to imply that the word of God should be interpreted with the word... or should i say, use the word to find out what the symbols of prophecy, or the word mean. And i totally agree with her...but i see that she does a lot of interpreting without the word. Although she says shes giveing a spiritual outlook on this as well, i would agree with Princess487, that this can be dangerous.

Why? because she makes the statement, that the beasts of Daniel chapter 7 are systems...when we read all of Daniel chapter 7, we see that the angel or the one who stood by, told Daniel.. what these beasts are. Also the horns, and the little horn that had the eyes of a man... and spoke great words against the most High. They are all interpreted as "Kings" or rulers, not systems or countries. So yes, we need to interpret the word... with the word, as much as possible.

Dan 7:16 I came near unto one of them that stood by, and asked him the truth of all this. So he told me, and made me know the interpretation of the things.
Dan 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, [which] shall arise out of the earth.

Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Once you have the truth of all this, and the interpretation of the things that are said. You no longer need to add an interpretation. Or give it a spiritual outlook...

Also.. he,him,his,Man of Sin,Son of Perdition, are used...can a system or country be called any of these? That answer would be no...God will cast alive the Beast and the False Prophet into a lake of fire. Not a system or a country..

Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.


God bless
 
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Soldier of God said:
Irenaeus warned even in 170 AD against "counting the number of the beast".
"It is therefore more certain, and less hazardous, to await the fulfillment of the prophecy, than to be making surmises, and casting about for any names that may present themselves, inasmuch as many names can be found possessing the number mentioned; and the same question will, after all, remain unsolved. For if there are many names found possessing this number, it will be asked which among them shall the coming man bear." [Irenaeus, Against Heresies, Book V, Ch. 30]

Once their "beast" is identified people "twist" and "manipulate" the scriptures to prove they’ve "counted" the right "beast". I’ve got a 400-page book "proving" Ronald Wilson Reagen is the beast. And you know what – it’s very convincing. And you know – it’s complete nonsense. But it’s easy to do. Change a few words here. Go to the "original" Greek to get a few "new" definitions and "presto" – we’ve got the beast!
Thanks Soldier of God...that is a good study. And i would agree that a lot of nonsense is poping up all over the internet, about who the man of sin is. We will know when God reveals him, and not before.

I hope our Dear Brother Chad, does'nt mind me disagreeing with Betty Miller? God bless you brother Chad...

Bless all
 
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I actually have a question it is about end time though should I start another thread or post it here? thank you !Jlu
 
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ok here is my question are we going to know before the raptire who the anti-christ is or will we be gone? I have heard people saying we will be gone for that. But then I read a scripture verse that made me really think more about this and I was wondering what you all think.

Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Actually I would like to talk about that whole chapter now that I read further. Thank you guys. See I just love this brothers and sisters talking and teaching and sharing Praise the Lord! Joyfully ~ Jlu
 
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this is so odd. Many people love to think that us Christians will be gone before the tribulations in a secret rapture or just something else. But yea, in the Bible it doesn't say anything about that. but I am pretty sure that we as Christians, we will know who the anti christ is. Unless we pass away before that time, we wont be gone. another thing that used to scare me was all the pain and torture we will have to go through, but as I started reading revelations, GOd states that He will protect His true followers from the Great Tribulation, whatever that may be, but like it says, there's going to be about 144,000 if i'm not mistaken, people that will have God's mark on their foreheads. it's kind of interesting to think about, but i just gotta say one thing, don't really worry about anti-chirst or anything. God said He will protect His true followers. all you gotta do is keep things right with God and listen and follow what the Holy Spirit tells you to, many people don't. But if you're a true follower of God, hey, life might not be easy, but it sure will be blessed and even in hard times, you're gonna have a blast, well kinda, lol, well either way, cool with GOd and eternity in Heaven, by cool i mean, being on right terms with Him. i hope i made some sense. lol, well ok, laters
God bless, your sis, Tanya
 
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Jesuslovesu said:
ok here is my question are we going to know before the raptire who the anti-christ is or will we be gone? I have heard people saying we will be gone for that. But then I read a scripture verse that made me really think more about this and I was wondering what you all think.

Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Actually I would like to talk about that whole chapter now that I read further. Thank you guys. See I just love this brothers and sisters talking and teaching and sharing Praise the Lord! Joyfully ~ Jlu

Hi: Sister...

What do you prefer to believe most, the word of God, or the word of men?

If its the word of God, then the word has the answer for you...Paul was given great insight into some of the mysteries of God...so Paul the apostle is basically saying here, or in that passage of scripture, to let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

But what day is he talking about? and what is he talking about? The word tells us here...

2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him.

Coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him?

Yes: this is what we call the Rapture or Resurrection...So i would agree with the word... that there will be a falling away first, and the man of sin will be revealed, before the Rapture, or should i say... Resurrection.

The best way to study this more, is to search
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for Rapture...and if you are looking for a Pre-Trib or Mid-Trib or Post-Trib answer, none of them may have it right.. or will get it right, until the time comes for God to reveal the Book of Revelation. What i mean is, these prophecies are to difficult to understand at this time.

The prophecies of the end times basically need to begin to unfold, in order to understand them all. Just like all the prophecies of Jesus Christ...they needed to come to pass before anyone could understand them fully. So if anyone tells you they have the Book of Revelation all figured out, then they are not being truthful, so be careful.

God Bless you Sister
 
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Jesus said he didn't know the time or the hour, if Jeus didn't know, believe me we can't figure it out either. Jesus gave some clues to watch for,the time is getting short there are some things coming to pass, when will the rest? Who knows. The important thing to know is, are you ready for whatever may happen, are you right with God are you doing what he called you to be and to do. Are you in His Word, do you hold everything up against the Word, If it isn't in tune with His Word don't trust it. We are all only men and we need to stay close to Him and trust that between the Word and the Spirit of God we will be lead into the truth of Him.

Your sister in Christ.
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The reason why I am asking these questions is because I am concerned for my brothers an sisters who believe otherwise. This could explain how and why there will be a great falling away. Meaning that if people believe they will be saved from all issues of the anti-christ and they are not what will they think then because according to them they will be gone. The end-times has been an interesting subject for me to look at but I do understand I dont need to really worry about it . I just feel about the ones who think everything will be roses when we know we are not promised and easy life. Joyfully ~ Jlu
 
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Thanks Soldier of God...that is a good study. And i would agree that a lot of nonsense is poping up all over the internet, about who the man of sin is. We will know when God reveals him, and not before.

I hope our Dear Brother Chad, does'nt mind me disagreeing with Betty Miller? God bless you brother Chad...

Bless all
I am as equally the same as you brother. I certainly do not mind. The reason I take these articles from Bible.com (Betty and her husband) is because I find them valuable and many learn from them. Of course most of the time people do not agree 100%. We all have the right to discuss. As long as we speak Truth in Scripture, we are fine
 
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interesting.... but i dont agree with it a 100% maybe 92.78% would be were im at.... lol ill do a little more reserch and maybe post my coments on this later on...
 
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One thing i also find interesting is that people think we will escape all thats going to happen but if you look at the world today people in different countries are dying for what they believe. So many of us think that just because it aint happening to us that its not happening at all. Tribulation is happening and its getting worse by the minute the only thing we can do is pray that we dont ever go through it or witness it happen for our selves

GBU all take care :smile:
 
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666

i herd that you have a number in your right hand and if you work behind the check out at a stor swiping stuff and your hand goes through the scanner and ses 666 on the scanner thingi your the Devil. i herd this in an SDA church of a friend of mine. oh either your right hand or your forehead. so yeah. i did not read evrybodies input put yeah there is mine. LOL

Love simon!!!

oh P:S; i do not believe this because i have had my hand go under the scanner thingi...
 
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I found this a very interesting read. Mary reminds us that the bible has literal and physical meaning for us (logos), as well as a spiritual meaning for us(rhema).
While I agree that Daniel describes and defines the Four beasts as four kings, it is well for us to also remember that king is a symbolic representation of the country, kingdom that he is the single physical representation of.

Thank you Chad and Mary for showing me something more to consider as I study scripture and meditate upon His Word.
 
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many of the old time prostestants taught that the popes were the antichrists. For instance, the counting of the number of the beast...reveals the name or title of a man. In English, we do not have letters that have any numerical values.. However, the The Pope has a title. Vicarius Filli Dei.

Which means the Vicar of God or the Viceagent of God.

Rome does use letters with numerical values. God has revealed the man of sin.

V=5
I=1
C=100
A=0
R=0
I=1
U=5
S=0
112

F=0
I=1
L=50
I=1
I=1
53

D=500
E=0
I=1
501

112
53
501
666

Here is the wisdom to count the number of the beast. By the way, we know that the beast is a religious power because it receives worship. There are more clues to determine the beast. this is just one of many.

GBU
 
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