Living by Faith Isn't a Sure Bet

[Christ4Ever]

When they saw the star, they were filled with joy! They entered the house and saw the child with his mother, Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him. Then they opened their treasure chests and gave him gifts of gold, frankincense, and myrrh. Matthew 2:10-11

The wise men trusted the sign of the star in the heavens and traveled many miles with their valuable gifts to honor a newborn king. They endured great hardship and discomfort during their travels. They risked robbery and illness while traveling many miles through the deserts. When they arrived in the land of Israel, they were greeted by a violent, scheming king who intended to trick them into helping him commit murder. The risks and inconveniences they faced daily made for a treacherous, uncertain journey.

Finally, when they saw the star confirming that their journey had been successful, they offered their gifts to the newborn king. What did they think of the humble little town of Bethlehem at that time? Mary and Joseph weren't wealthy and hardly had the appearance of royalty.

Nevertheless, the wise men acted in faith, leaving their gifts with the family, rejoicing that they could celebrate the newborn king, and trusting that there was so much more to this king than their eyes could see.

 

[regibassman57]

@Christ4Ever,
"Living by Faith Isn't a Sure Bet"
I believe “faith” is only as sure as we allow ourselves to be “given over” to it. If we are willing, daily, to exercise faith towards God’s word, we “CANNOT” lose – and it is a sure bet. God’s word teaches, “the just shall live by faith.” God’s word is “truth” because I have proved it for myself. True I can only speak for myself, but I can’t attest of God’s word to anyone else unless I am first assured. But more importantly, God will assure our hearts through the Holy Ghost. We must have confidence and our hearts will be assured of His Love.

1Jo 3:19 And hereby we know that “we are of the truth,” and shall “assure our hearts” before him.

1Jo 3:20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and “knows all things.”

1Jo 3:21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have “we confidence toward God.”

Through faith - God teaches us, through all the ups and downs, so our hearts can be assured. This makes it a sure bet - because God is faithful.

This is my understanding of your post...

 

[Quantrill]

When they saw the star, they were filled with joy! They entered the house and saw the child with his mother, Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him. Then they opened their treasure chests and gave him gifts of gold, frankincense, and myrrh. Matthew 2:10-11

The wise men trusted the sign of the star in the heavens and traveled many miles with their valuable gifts to honor a newborn king. They endured great hardship and discomfort during their travels. They risked robbery and illness while traveling many miles through the deserts. When they arrived in the land of Israel, they were greeted by a violent, scheming king who intended to trick them into helping him commit murder. The risks and inconveniences they faced daily made for a treacherous, uncertain journey.

Finally, when they saw the star confirming that their journey had been successful, they offered their gifts to the newborn king. What did they think of the humble little town of Bethlehem at that time? Mary and Joseph weren't wealthy and hardly had the appearance of royalty.

Nevertheless, the wise men acted in faith, leaving their gifts with the family, rejoicing that they could celebrate the newborn king, and trusting that there was so much more to this king than their eyes could see.

And where did the wise men obtain such knowledge to place faith in? They were from far away. How did they know that a star would appear to lead them to the place of the Saviour? How did they know He would be royalty and Deity, so as to bring gifts? They had to have knowledge to place faith in.

Quantrill

 

[Bendito]

When they saw the star, they were filled with joy! They entered the house and saw the child with his mother, Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him. Then they opened their treasure chests and gave him gifts of gold, frankincense, and myrrh. Matthew 2:10-11

The wise men trusted the sign of the star in the heavens and traveled many miles with their valuable gifts to honor a newborn king. They endured great hardship and discomfort during their travels. They risked robbery and illness while traveling many miles through the deserts. When they arrived in the land of Israel, they were greeted by a violent, scheming king who intended to trick them into helping him commit murder. The risks and inconveniences they faced daily made for a treacherous, uncertain journey.

Finally, when they saw the star confirming that their journey had been successful, they offered their gifts to the newborn king. What did they think of the humble little town of Bethlehem at that time? Mary and Joseph weren't wealthy and hardly had the appearance of royalty.

Nevertheless, the wise men acted in faith, leaving their gifts with the family, rejoicing that they could celebrate the newborn king, and trusting that there was so much more to this king than their eyes could see.

How many wise men traveled to see the new king? And in their travels why would they worry about robbers? They probably did not worry because they traveled by caravan. Nobody in those days traveled without the protection of numbers. The men were very rich and so traveled on some comfort, tents carpets, hot food, and the like, quite similar to what you see in a movie.
When they got to Israel, did they know at the time that the king was an evil parasite? No..But when they were told by God to go home a different way, they obeyed. Faith.
They when the kings/wise men offered gifts, why do you think Jesus was still in a stable in Bethlehem. By that time Joseph would have paid his taxes and taken his family home. By their research that told them of the new king, I would be willing to bet they knew his family was not rich, they knew that he was to be born in humble surroundings, so they knew that it was no kind of royalty. We assume so much, write so much into the story. It was days later, after Jesus was born, that the wise guys showed up. No reason for Joseph to keep his family in a drafty stable, Three gifts mentioned so we assume there were only three wise guys. Gold Frankincense and myrrh were the gifts given by kings to kings. No doubt there were other gifts as well but these gifts made Jesus, and his family very rich. But I agree with you....It was all because of their faith, their trust in God that it all happened as it did.

 

[Christ4Ever]

@regibassman57 @Quantrill @Bendito
The title of the this devotional was misleading to the text of it Brothers.
You have each touched upon what truly becomes of, or better yet, in who do we place our faith in?
They trusted in a sign gained from knowledge, while we who have been given so much more to
this testimony of faith they showed, in/of Jesus Christ, Emanuel. That we should in faith,
give declaration to His birth, His death, and His Resurrection. Faithful even to do so, to a World
that after these 2 thousand years still rejects His loving embrace of life, promised and given in Christ Jesus.

I count it a blessing to have been allowed to travel for a time in faith with brothers such as you and so many others.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[The Unprofitable Servant]

This message of faith is still being made to this very day! Nothing has changed. What was messaged to Abraham and the prophets, along with these "wise men" in the Gospel of Matthew, were lessons of those who obeyed and disobeyed. God has made this message clear through his only begotten son whom he was and is still very well pleased with. But this message that was spoken through Jesus was, is, and will always be hated. It is the same message that motivated the scribes and pharisees to kill (e.g. The Parable of the Wicked Tenants), thinking that they were doing God a service and it will be the same way in the days to come (John 16:2).

What is being described in the Parable of the Wicked Tenants is still going on to this very day! People love their religious "things" and "ways" that when anyone presents "the stone which the builders rejected", that is, the Rock which has "become the head of the corner", it makes religious zealots red with rage as they rip their clothes like the high priest did in Matthew 26:65, calling it blasphemous because it exposes everyone who just proclaims Lord, Lord (Matthew 7:21-23). It brings to light all those who disobey (John 3:19-21), separating the wheat from the tares and the sheep from the goats (Matthew 25:31-32).

That message still is, has been, and always will be the Word the Lord Jesus has said which is the Way, the Truth, and the Life of living by faith which God is looking for in His creation.

There are upward of 240 instructions that Jesus gave to his followers which include, but are not limited to, love, giving, forgiveness, sincerity, living by faith, etc. Some are more accepted than others. Some are hated by almost everyone; including, and especially, those who claim to be Christian.

I have asked this question a few times on this forum but have yet to have a single person reply... Can anyone name me 10-20 things that Jesus instructed his followers to do?

Jesus said, "Therefore whosoever hears these sayings of mine, and does them, I will liken him unto a WISE MAN, which built his house upon a rock". - Matthew 7:24


In peace and Love

 

[Bendito]

This message of faith is still being made to this very day! Nothing has changed. What was messaged to Abraham and the prophets, along with these "wise men" in the Gospel of Matthew, were lessons of those who obeyed and disobeyed. God has made this message clear through his only begotten son whom he was and is still very well pleased with. But this message that was spoken through Jesus was, is, and will always be hated. It is the same message that motivated the scribes and pharisees to kill (e.g. The Parable of the Wicked Tenants), thinking that they were doing God a service and it will be the same way in the days to come (John 16:2).

What is being described in the Parable of the Wicked Tenants is still going on to this very day! People love their religious "things" and "ways" that when anyone presents "the stone which the builders rejected", that is, the Rock which has "become the head of the corner", it makes religious zealots red with rage as they rip their clothes like the high priest did in Matthew 26:65, calling it blasphemous because it exposes everyone who just proclaims Lord, Lord (Matthew 7:21-23). It brings to light all those who disobey (John 3:19-21), separating the wheat from the tares and the sheep from the goats (Matthew 25:31-32).

That message still is, has been, and always will be the Word the Lord Jesus has said which is the Way, the Truth, and the Life of living by faith which God is looking for in His creation.

There are upward of 240 instructions that Jesus gave to his followers which include, but are not limited to, love, giving, forgiveness, sincerity, living by faith, etc. Some are more accepted than others. Some are hated by almost everyone; including, and especially, those who claim to be Christian.

I have asked this question a few times on this forum but have yet to have a single person reply... Can anyone name me 10-20 things that Jesus instructed his followers to do?

Jesus said, "Therefore whosoever hears these sayings of mine, and does them, I will liken him unto a WISE MAN, which built his house upon a rock". - Matthew 7:24


In peace and Love

Well sir....We can play guessing games or you can teach us something. What's your pleasure?

 

[regibassman57]

@Unprofitable Servant,

I have asked this question a few times on this forum but have yet to have a single person reply... Can anyone name me 10-20 things that Jesus instructed his followers to do?

Jesus said, "Therefore whosoever hears these sayings of mine, and does them, I will liken him unto a WISE MAN, which built his house upon a rock". - Matthew 7:24
In peace and Love

GOOD POST! We as believers have many responsibilities in Christ, and He has given us the ability to accomplish them all. What we of ourselves cannot understand, He will open our understanding through the Spirit He has given us - if we seek Him.

John 15:14
You are my friends, if you do whatsoever I command you.

Mark 12:30
And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength:this is the first commandment.
Mark 12:31
And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

1 John 3:18
My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

John 14:15
If you love me, keep my commandments.

John 15:12
This is my commandment, That you love one another, as I have loved you.

John 15:13
Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

James 4:7
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

Matthew 19:17
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Matthew 19:18
He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Matthew 19:19
Honour thy father and thy mother:and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Ephesians 4:22
That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
Ephesians 4:23
And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
Ephesians 4:24
And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

Ephesians 4:25
Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour:for we are members one of another.
Ephesians 4:26
Be ye angry, and sin not:let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
Ephesians 4:27
Neither give place to the devil.
Ephesians 4:28
Let him that stole steal no more:but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.

Ephesians 4:31
Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
Ephesians 4:32
And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

Mark 8:34
And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

 

[The Unprofitable Servant]

Well sir....We can play guessing games or you can teach us something. What's your pleasure?

Sure. Firstly, Jesus said in Matthew 23:9 , "And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven."

"Sir" is a reduced form of sire which means to father.

Not only just sir/senor, but also do not be called masters (e.g. Mister/Mr) for one is your Master, even Christ. - Matthew 23:10

Also, be not called Rabbi (e.g. Teacher/Doctor): for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. - Matthew 23:8

God is no respecter of persons (Acts 10:34-35). If you are a follower of Jesus, neither should you.


In peace and Love.

 

[The Unprofitable Servant]

@regibassman57

I enjoyed the verses that you shared; specifically in the description of the Gospel account of John. Jesus is sharing what love is and what it looks like and ways to demonstrate it. And going even further, that when we obey Him (Jesus) we are "no longer servants but friends", which I find very cool! Even as you started quoting Paul in his letter to the Ephesians, Paul goes into a bit more clarity of what love looks like when we ultimately leave the old and put on the new. I think Paul did a good job of summarizing the effects of love in both 1 Corinthians 13 and even the traits of the Holy Spirit in Galatians 5:16-26; but again, he is comparing the old vs the new.

You were getting a bit more specific in the book of Matthew 19:17-19 as Jesus is speaking to the rich young ruler (in this chapter at least). What happens most times when people see commandments is that they automatically think of the 10 given to Moses as Jesus is answering the rich young ruler about how to obtain eternal life. The 10 still do stand because they "bring knowledge of sin", but remember, the scribes and pharisees also practiced the Law of Moses; but still, Jesus said, "For I tell you that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven." - Matthew 5:20

Not only that, but the righteousness we practice must also surpass that of John the Baptist!

"Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he." - Matthew 11:11

John the Baptist lived out in the wilderness and ate locust and wild honey, preparing people for the coming of Jesus both night and day!

What the heck!? How are we suppose to be greater than that? Who can be greater than that? Whose righteous doctrine/discipline are we to practice?

What Jesus taught in the Beatitudes and the Sermon on the Mount are the epitome, embodiment, and epicenter of what it is to live by faith today! It is the cornerstone of what it means to be a follower of Christ and EVERYONE who claims to be a follower of Jesus ALWAYS overlooks and stumbles over it. It IS the Words of God.

I would urge you and anyone who is reading this post to read very carefully what Jesus is saying in Matthew chapters 5, 6, and 7 to become acquainted once again with what Jesus taught in that sermon on that mountain.


In peace and Love

 

[regibassman57]

@Unptofitable Servant,

. I have asked this question a few times on this forum but have yet to have a single person reply... Can anyone name me 10-20 things that Jesus instructed his followers to do?

Jesus said, "Therefore whosoever hears these sayings of mine, and does them, I will liken him unto a WISE MAN, which built his house upon a rock". - Matthew 7:24

I didn't elaborate on the scriptures I posted because I assumed you were asking for scriptures in response to your question - 10-20 things Jesus instructed believers to do?

@regibassman57
I enjoyed the verses that you shared; specifically in the description of the Gospel account of John. Jesus is sharing what love is and what it looks like and ways to demonstrate it. And going even further, that when we obey Him (Jesus) we are "no longer servants but friends", which I find very cool! Even as you started quoting Paul in his letter to the Ephesians, Paul goes into a bit more clarity of what love looks like when we ultimately leave the old and put on the new. I think Paul did a good job of summarizing the effects of love in both 1 Corinthians 13 and even the traits of the Holy Spirit in Galatians 5:16-26; but again, he is comparing the old vs the new.

I think the comparison of the old and the new is imporatant to understand; especially when it comes to justification/righteousness apart from works of the law. I do not believe the 10 declares us righteous or unrighteous according to our works by faith.

@regibassman57
You were getting a bit more specific in the book of Matthew 19:17-19 as Jesus is speaking to the rich young ruler (in this chapter at least). What happens most times when people see commandments is that they automatically think of the 10 given to Moses as Jesus is answering the rich young ruler about how to obtain eternal life. The 10 still do stand because they "bring knowledge of sin", but remember, the scribes and pharisees also practiced the Law of Moses; but still, Jesus said, "For I tell you that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven." - Matthew 5:20

Not only that, but the righteousness we practice must also surpass that of John the Baptist!
"Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he." - Matthew 11:11
John the Baptist lived out in the wilderness and ate locust and wild honey, preparing people for the coming of Jesus both night and day!
What the heck!? How are we suppose to be greater than that? Who can be greater than that? Whose righteous doctrine/discipline are we to practice?
What Jesus taught in the Beatitudes and the Sermon on the Mount are the epitome, embodiment, and epicenter of what it is to live by faith today! It is the cornerstone of what it means to be a follower of Christ and EVERYONE who claims to be a follower of Jesus ALWAYS overlooks and stumbles over it. It IS the Words of God.
I would urge you and anyone who is reading this post to read very carefully what Jesus is saying in Matthew chapters 5, 6, and 7 to become acquainted once again with what Jesus taught in that sermon on that mountain.
In peace and Love

You and I were in perfect harmony regarding the 10 Commandments until you said: "The 10 still do stand because they "bring knowledge of sin"

I believe the 10 do still stand, but I don't believe the 10 gives the knowledge of sin... I believe the 10 (including the whole Law) gave" the knowledge of sin when a person/Israel was "justified by" or "under" the law. I believe the law was a man's Schoolmaster to bring a man unto Christ, but when Christ has come, a man is no longer "under" the law or the 10 "FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS" (Gal. 3:23-25). Only the law told and imputed sin unto a person. Jesus is not telling a believer they sin, because Jesus is not concluding or imputing sin unto a believer. Jesus is not the minister of sin any longer (Gal. 2:17).

Romans 3:19
Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are "under" the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

John the Baptist was the greatest, in his day among men - but all things were not possible with John as it is with believers after Christ's ressurection. All power had not been given unto Christ in Heaven and in Earth until Jesus rose from the dead. John didn't have this power (Mat. 28:18). We as believers have risen with Christ as we live in Christ where there is no sin.

We are told to be perfect even as or Heavenly Father is perfect (Mat. 5:48). The disciple is not greater than his master, but he that is perfect shall be as his master ( Luk. 6:40).

Believers can do everything we as believers are commanded to do in Christ through faith.

1 Corinthians 10:13
There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man:but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Sure. Firstly, Jesus said in Matthew 23:9 , "And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven."

"Sir" is a reduced form of sire which means to father.

Not only just sir/senor, but also do not be called masters (e.g. Mister/Mr) for one is your Master, even Christ. - Matthew 23:10

Also, be not called Rabbi (e.g. Teacher/Doctor): for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. - Matthew 23:8

God is no respecter of persons (Acts 10:34-35). If you are a follower of Jesus, neither should you.


In peace and Love.

First perdoname Brother Bendito if I step on your toes here. I felt moved to reply to his response to you.

Dear Unprofitable Servant,

Now if the use of "Sir" by Brother Bendito was meant in the way the Biblical means it, which I'm pretty sure it was not, nor do I when I use it. It would be in reality the word kyrios, but in the English language that is not the case, even though the translators used that word to signify that Greek word. Sire, probably would have been more appropriate or some of the words you ID'd. Anyway, "sir" normally denotes an acknowledgement of being an elder or used as a sign of respect. Especially to those who are from an older generation then your own or in my case the Military as well. Considering that Brother Bendito is more then double your age, at the very least if not respecting his writings, then at least his age. Though I'm sure he would not desire it from you for that reason alone.

Now, he very well might have used sir to you in place of something else less appealing or sarcastically, but Brother @Bendito can speak for himself if that was the case there.

Now you know that teacher acknowledgement/respect of the Elder, even Servants to Masters and Masters to Servants are mentioned in the Epistles and not necessarily negatively as you would have it. Now you may not like that and according to you I'm sure would contradict our Lord and Savior Jesus' words, but you'll have to take it up with the Apostles and God who inspired their writings and provided such guidance. Possibly even the translators???? Hummmm......

Context is important, and the fact that Scripture was written originally in another language must also be considered.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Nick
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[Bendito]

First perdoname Brother Bendito if I step on your toes here. I felt moved to reply to his response to you.

Dear Unprofitable Servant,

Now if the use of "Sir" by Brother Bendito was meant in the way the Biblical means it, which I'm pretty sure it was not, nor do I when I use it. It would be in reality the word kyrios, but in the English language that is not the case, even though the translators used that word to signify that Greek word. Sire, probably would have been more appropriate or some of the words you ID'd. Anyway, "sir" normally denotes an acknowledgement of being an elder or used as a sign of respect. Especially to those who are from an older generation then your own or in my case the Military as well. Considering that Brother Bendito is more then double your age, at the very least if not respecting his writings, then at least his age. Though I'm sure he would not desire it from you for that reason alone.

Now, he very well might have used sir to you in place of something else less appealing or sarcastically, but Brother @Bendito can speak for himself if that was the case there.

Now you know that teacher acknowledgement/respect of the Elder, even Servants to Masters and Masters to Servants are mentioned in the Epistles and not necessarily negatively as you would have it. Now you may not like that and according to you I'm sure would contradict our Lord and Savior Jesus' words, but you'll have to take it up with the Apostles and God who inspired their writings and provided such guidance. Possibly even the translators???? Hummmm......

Context is important, and the fact that Scripture was written originally in another language must also be considered.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Nick
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Very good Nick! The fact is....We are speaking English not Hebrew or Greek. Thank you

 

[The Unprofitable Servant]

@Christ4Ever

If you want to break down the passage in Matthew 23:9, that is fine by me. But before I do, I hope you can recognize within yourself what it is that you are advocating, that is, a "That is not what Jesus meant" mentality/spirit. Jesus said in Mark 8:28 & Luke 9, "Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.

What is more concerning is you defending and promoting Bendito to continue to disobey what Jesus commanded, at the same time, attempting to side step what Jesus said for His followers to do. I really do hope you will humble yourself and choose to be broken on the Rock rather than blaspheme and be crushed into powder by it. - Mark 3:28-29 & Luke 12:8-10

It would be in reality the word kyrios, but in the English language that is not the case, even though the translators used that word to signify that Greek word.

The word in question in Matthew 23:9 is NOT kyrios, as you suggest, but patēr (πατήρ) (Strongs G3962). I am not sure if your reference was a simple slip up or more charlatanic; but here is the link of the word in question in that passage.

Matthew 23:9 patēr/father/πατήρ

The breakdown for the definition is this:

i. generator or male ancestor
-either the nearest ancestor: father of the corporeal nature, natural fathers, both parents
-a more remote ancestor, the founder of a family or tribe, progenitor of a people, forefather: so Abraham is called, Jacob and David
-fathers i.e. ancestors, forefathers, founders of a nation
-one advanced in years, a senior
ii. metaph.
-the originator and transmitter of anything
-the authors of a family or society of persons animated by the same spirit as himself
-one who has infused his own spirit into others, who actuates and governs their minds
-one who stands in a father's place and looks after another in a paternal way
-a title of honour
-teachers, as those to whom pupils trace back the knowledge and training they have received
-the members of the Sanhedrin, whose prerogative it was by virtue of the wisdom and experience in which they excelled, to take charge of the interests of others

1. Anyway, "sir" normally denotes an acknowledgement of being an elder or used as a sign of respect. Especially to those who are from an older generation then your own or in my case the Military as well. Considering that Brother Bendito is more then double your age, at the very least if not respecting his writings, then at least his age.

The word Jesus used in Matthew 23:9 is directing us to do the EXACT OPPOSITE of what you have just suggested here (even if by the metaphorical definition)! The spirit of what Jesus is saying is to not call ANYONE by respectable titles/names except God our Father. Both Peter realized this in Acts 10 (Acts 10:34-35) as well as Paul in the second chapter in his letter to the Romans (Romans 2:11).

Now you know that teacher acknowledgement/respect of the Elder, even Servants to Masters and Masters to Servants are mentioned in the Epistles and not necessarily negatively as you would have it.

I do agree. As example, Pauls first letter to Timothy (1 Timothy 5:1); he is referring to them AS but that is not evidence or excuse to call people titles to "puff up their pride". I hope you can see the difference.

Now you may not like that and according to you I'm sure would contradict our Lord and Savior Jesus' words, but you'll have to take it up with the Apostles and God who inspired their writings and provided such guidance.

Haha! Au contraire! I believe the apostles and anyone else who contradict what Jesus said will have to take it up with God. The apostles didn't do it all right; Jesus did! Did not Peter try to rebuke the Lord Jesus in Matthew 16:22-23 ? Did not Judas Iscariot betray Jesus the Christ? Was it not the same Paul that first went around all Judea and Samaria persecuting Christians that also said, "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed." - Galatians 1:8

Context is important, and the fact that Scripture was written originally in another language must also be considered.

The fact is....We are speaking English not Hebrew or Greek. Thank you

God is not simply limited to a single language to transmit His message to His creation. This was made evident at pentacost (Acts 2:5-11) as they said, "we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God."

What are these "wonderful works of God"?

Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.” - John 6:29


In peace and Love

 

[The Unprofitable Servant]

I didn't elaborate on the scriptures I posted because I assumed you were asking for scriptures in response to your question - 10-20 things Jesus instructed believers to do?

You did provided 21 verses but still did not provide in full spectrum 10-20 things Jesus specifically commanded.

You did provide a few though:
#1 Love in keeping the commandments Jesus gave us. - John 14:15
#2 Loving one another as Jesus has loved us. - John 15:12
#3 Loving God with all our heart, mind, strength, and spirit. - Mark 12:30
#4 Loving others as our-self. - Mark 12:31
#5 Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. - Mark 8:34 (Good One @regibassman57 !)

Your references from Paul's letter to the Ephesians are not from Jesus, so those don't count. Remember, the question is 10-20 things JESUS instructed his followers to do. I believe Paul is in harmony with God in all his epistles but we are not followers of Paul or the Law of Moses, are we?

I think the comparison of the old and the new is imporatant to understand; especially when it comes to justification/righteousness apart from works of the law. I do not believe the 10 declares us righteous or unrighteous according to our works by faith.

I totally agree!

You and I were in perfect harmony regarding the 10 Commandments until you said: "The 10 still do stand because they "bring knowledge of sin"

I still believe we are in harmony; hopefully I can provide a bit of clarity. Bear with me, my friend.

I believe the 10 do still stand, but I don't believe the 10 gives the knowledge of sin...

You almost hit it in Romans 3 but you stopped one verse short.

"Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin." - Romans 3:20

John the Baptist was the greatest, in his day among men - but all things were not possible with John as it is with believers after Christ's ressurection. All power had not been given unto Christ in Heaven and in Earth until Jesus rose from the dead. John didn't have this power (Mat. 28:18). We as believers have risen with Christ as we live in Christ where there is no sin.

Amen and very well said!

What I am trying to bring to light is what Paul was speaking of, continuing on in Romans 3:21-31

We uphold the law through the works of faith that Jesus did and commanded his followers to do so that we may become perfect just like Jesus! (enter what Jesus said right before and after #6 Matthew 5:48)

I'm rootin' for ya' @regibassman57 !


In peace and love

 

[Bendito]

You did provided 21 verses but still did not provide in full spectrum 10-20 things Jesus specifically commanded.

You did provide a few though:
#1 Love in keeping the commandments Jesus gave us. - John 14:15
#2 Loving one another as Jesus has loved us. - John 15:12
#3 Loving God with all our heart, mind, strength, and spirit. - Mark 12:30
#4 Loving others as our-self. - Mark 12:31
#5 Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. - Mark 8:34 (Good One @regibassman57 !)

Your references from Paul's letter to the Ephesians are not from Jesus, so those don't count. Remember, the question is 10-20 things JESUS instructed his followers to do. I believe Paul is in harmony with God in all his epistles but we are not followers of Paul or the Law of Moses, are we?



I totally agree!



I still believe we are in harmony; hopefully I can provide a bit of clarity. Bear with me, my friend.



You almost hit it in Romans 3 but you stopped one verse short.

"Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin." - Romans 3:20



Amen and very well said!

What I am trying to bring to light is what Paul was speaking of, continuing on in Romans 3:21-31

We uphold the law through the works of faith that Jesus did and commanded his followers to do so that we may become perfect just like Jesus! (enter what Jesus said right before and after #6 Matthew 5:48)

I'm rootin' for ya' @regibassman57 !


In peace and love

All right. Which one of the do's that you've listed does not fit into these two?
Matthew 22:37-40 (KJV)

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the first and great commandment.

39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

 

[regibassman57]

@Unprofitable Servant,

You did provided 21 verses but still did not provide in full spectrum 10-20 things Jesus specifically commanded.

I definitely agree we are to walk in the commandments of Christ, without doing so we cannot bear the fruit of Love. I look at all scriptures as inspired by God. I do, however, understand what you were looking for and agree.

We uphold the law through the works of faith that Jesus did and commanded his followers to do so that we may become perfect just like Jesus! (enter what Jesus said right before and after #6 Matthew 5:48)
In peace and love

I also agree we uphold the law, but not the Mosaic Law. I believe, where there is a change in the Priesthood there is a change in the law (Heb. 7:12.). We keep the Ten Commandments because Jesus is the author of Eternal Salvation and has told us to. We are justified by Jesus and not the the Mosaic Law. Believers in Christ keep the commandments because they are everlasting. The Ten were given to Moses on Mount Sinai; they are the Testimonies of God, which are referring to His Character.

 

[Christ4Ever]

@Christ4Ever

If you want to break down the passage in Matthew 23:9, that is fine by me. But before I do, I hope you can recognize within yourself what it is that you are advocating, that is, a "That is not what Jesus meant" mentality/spirit. Jesus said in Mark 8:28 & Luke 9, "Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.

What is more concerning is you defending and promoting Bendito to continue to disobey what Jesus commanded, at the same time, attempting to side step what Jesus said for His followers to do. I really do hope you will humble yourself and choose to be broken on the Rock rather than blaspheme and be crushed into powder by it. - Mark 3:28-29 & Luke 12:8-10

The word in question in Matthew 23:9 is NOT kyrios, as you suggest, but patēr (πατήρ) (Strongs G3962). I am not sure if your reference was a simple slip up or more charlatanic; but here is the link of the word in question in that passage.

Matthew 23:9 patēr/father/πατήρ

The breakdown for the definition is this:

i. generator or male ancestor
-either the nearest ancestor: father of the corporeal nature, natural fathers, both parents
-a more remote ancestor, the founder of a family or tribe, progenitor of a people, forefather: so Abraham is called, Jacob and David
-fathers i.e. ancestors, forefathers, founders of a nation
-one advanced in years, a senior
ii. metaph.
-the originator and transmitter of anything
-the authors of a family or society of persons animated by the same spirit as himself
-one who has infused his own spirit into others, who actuates and governs their minds
-one who stands in a father's place and looks after another in a paternal way
-a title of honour
-teachers, as those to whom pupils trace back the knowledge and training they have received
-the members of the Sanhedrin, whose prerogative it was by virtue of the wisdom and experience in which they excelled, to take charge of the interests of others

1. The word Jesus used in Matthew 23:9 is directing us to do the EXACT OPPOSITE of what you have just suggested here (even if by the metaphorical definition)! The spirit of what Jesus is saying is to not call ANYONE by respectable titles/names except God our Father. Both Peter realized this in Acts 10 (Acts 10:34-35) as well as Paul in the second chapter in his letter to the Romans (Romans 2:11).

I do agree. As example, Pauls first letter to Timothy (1 Timothy 5:1); he is referring to them AS but that is not evidence or excuse to call people titles to "puff up their pride". I hope you can see the difference.

Haha! Au contraire! I believe the apostles and anyone else who contradict what Jesus said will have to take it up with God. The apostles didn't do it all right; Jesus did! Did not Peter try to rebuke the Lord Jesus in Matthew 16:22-23 ? Did not Judas Iscariot betray Jesus the Christ? Was it not the same Paul that first went around all Judea and Samaria persecuting Christians that also said, "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed." - Galatians 1:8

God is not simply limited to a single language to transmit His message to His creation. This was made evident at pentacost (Acts 2:5-11) as they said, "we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God."

What are these "wonderful works of God"?

Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.” - John 6:29

In peace and Love

Dear Brother,
Your assumption that I am clearly wrong, in seeking context to what Scripture provides to us, because of how you interpret this part of Scripture, really means that you seek not to break bread so that we might grow in His Word, but rather to instruct another who clearly does not understand the truth.

That being the case. Let me present for your consideration, and the edification of what God has given us to know, these words.

Let's start where you have apparently focused on in Scripture, and that is Matthew 23:9 I've highlighted the words, because I believe that once I do this and you read it. That you will receive clarity to it's significance.

And call no [man] your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Matthew 23:9

Do you realize that what Jesus is saying in this verse is that you should not call your earthly "father", "Father"? Meaning, don't make out your earthly father to be your heavenly Father. The world does this readily, in the belief that the earthly father is the one who gives life! We, of course know better. Now, understanding that it had nothing to do with the word itself, but the connotation placed upon the word to signify that which only belongs to our Heavenly Father and not to our earthly father. Unless you would critique the translators, for not knowing the significance of capitalization and its use in English grammar.

This is important to take into account if only for the fact that for the many times that Jesus himself used the word father in not identifying the Heavenly Father, but earthly ones, as well as its usage throughout all the Gospels. Let's look if you will at some of the verses that used the little "f" which speaks of the earthly father. I'll only go up to Mark Chapter 7, because of the frequency of its usage.

And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father. Matthew 8:21

And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against [their] parents, and cause them to be put to death. ... 35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. ... 37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. Matthew 10:21, 35, 37

For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. 5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to [his] father or [his] mother, [It is] a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; 6 And honour not his father or his mother, [he shall be free]. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. Matthew 15:4-6

And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? ... 19 Honour thy father and [thy] mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. ... 29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life. Matthew 19:5, 19, 29

Whether of them twain did the will of [his] father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you. Matthew 21:31

And call no [man] your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Matthew 23:9

And straightway he called them: and they left their father Zebedee in the ship with the hired servants, and went after him. Mark 1:20

And they laughed him to scorn. But when he had put them all out, he taketh the father and the mother of the damsel, and them that were with him, and entereth in where the damsel was lying. Mark 5:40

For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death: 11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, [It is] Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; [he shall be free]. 12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother; Mark 7:10-12

If the Holy Spirit had not led me to see this, I don't believe any more time delving into Scripture would have helped, in what I now can see clearly. People who live in the country might call it "Not seeing the forest for the trees". That being said, you can see that Matthew 23:9 goes hand in hand with Luke 20:25 And he said unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar's, and unto God the things which be God's. I realize that on the face value of what this states, that Jesus was using money coined by the Romans to make His point. However, looking closely at the wording one sees, that He is attempting to show them that there is a difference between what belongs to man, to what belongs to God and that they should not be mixed/confused. This theme is present elsewhere in the Epistles. The reason being in those books is that the Gentiles who were the primary recipients of them really didn't have a clear understanding that there is a difference between what is man's verses what belongs to God. Also, introducing them to "intent" which has much to do with it. Read Romans 14 in the context of our discussion here that it might also bring you peace.

If my usage of certain words offend you then I'll not use them brother. However, I am also a Moderator in Talk Jesus and so saying have responsibilities that go beyond what I would have no issue complying with if it were to prevent you from being pained. This is not something I can or will force upon others. Nor, should you expect it of me. All I ask is that you have compassion to others that God has also chosen to be His.

May you receive this in the love it is being offered to you with brother.
With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[regibassman57]

@Unprofitable Servant,
The verse you posted, "Matthew 5:48," do you believe it's possible for a believer to attain to this perfection?

 

[regibassman57]

@Unprofitable Servant,

You almost hit it in Romans 3 but you stopped one verse short.
"Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin." - Romans 3:20

What I am trying to bring to light is what Paul was speaking of, continuing on in Romans 3:21-31

We uphold the law through the works of faith that Jesus did and commanded his followers to do so that we may become perfect just like Jesus! (enter what Jesus said right before and after #6 Matthew 5:48)

I thought I would touch on some of the scriptures you mentioned - Romans 3:21-31. I agree with your interpretation of Romans 3:20. We become "CONSCIOUS" of sin. It confirms my studies from Hebrews 10:2.

Rom 3:21 But now the “righteousness” of God “without the law” is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

A “believer’s righteousness” does not depend on the “law” of Moses or the “law” of Christ when it comes to his or her “position” in Christ; this is by faith. This is also how God sees us as innocent/justified in Christ – not according to our works. The Ten Commandments are crucial in bringing about the character of Christ in Love. This is the righteousness 1John 3:7 and 2:29 teaches.

1Jo 3:7 Little children, “let no man deceive you:” he that “does righteousness is righteous,” even as “Christ” is righteous.

1Jo 2:29 If you know that he is righteous, you know that every one that “does righteousness is born of him.”

Without a person bringing about 30 fold, 60 fold or 100 fold fruit in the character of Christ, that person is not born again in manifestation and will be seen as unfruitful or faithless on the Day of Judgment. This is why faith without works is dead (Jam. 2:17) (Mat. 13:23). Without faith it's not a sure bet.

Rom 3:22 Even the “righteousness of God” which is “by faith of Jesus Christ” unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Rom 3:23 For “all have sinned,” and come short of the glory of God;

All “HAVE” (past tense) sinned and come short of God’s Glory. Now that we have been freely declared righteous through Grace, this “gift” can never be taken from us. God’s gifts and callings are without repentance (Rom. 11:29). God only sees us as righteous/innocent and never unrighteous.

Rom 3:24 Being “justified freely” by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

G1344 (justfified)
dikaioō
From G1342; to render (that is, show or regard as) just or innocent: - free, justify (-ier), be righteous.

Because we know we are not innocent in our unfruitful works apart from the law, this gift (from sin) must be seen and received through faith and acted upon accordingly. If we believe God sees a believer as innocent, we will think and conduct ourselves this way as we exercise Godliness.