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Leaving legalism

Bfaith

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My name is Megan and I have been raised apostolic pentecostal since I was 11. I left the church for a few years as a teenager and early adult but went back when my kids were very young. My husband was never raised in this religion or any other religion. He considers himself agnostic, so when I went back to church, he was not happy, but allowed me to raise the kids in this religion. My mother lived, breathed and died in this religion and until recently I tried to follow in her foot steps as a 2nd generation apostolic pentecostal for the last 17 years. My kids were 3rd generation. I was so proud of that. My kids were very involved in church as well as I.
Our church voted in a new pastor about 2 years ago now and the longer he continued to lead the church, the more he kept speaking about striving to be perfect. Each message would get even more strict about all the things we shouldn't do because God is holy and if we do those things, we are not holy and if we don't follow to a tee, we will not make it to Heaven. This started to weigh on me heavily and I thought what was the point of even trying anymore because I can't possibly be perfect. Around the same time I was feeling this way, my son, age 17, dropped a bomb on me by telling me he did not believe in the Acts 2:38 message or oneness message. I was devastated. My daughter and her husband started telling me they did not believe either and had studied out the gospel and now fully believe apostolic pentecostals have it wrong. I felt like my life had been turned upside down. Everything I ever tried to instill in my kids was gone. I encouraged my son to speak with our pastor, thinking it would help him to gain an understanding of what the "truth" was. I guess I thought that the pastor would guide him and help him. Well, after my son spoke with the pastor one night, he came home and was a mess. He told me the pastor did not try to talk with him, but just told him he was wrong and threw a bunch of scriptures at him. This made my son feel horrible and made him shut down to our pastor. After that point, our pastor started to call him out over the pulpit. He never said his name, but would always put little jabs toward my son into his message. I was devastated. I started to really pray and study to find out for myself what my kids were talking about. It has been a few months and I have left the church as well as my kids and we are trying to find a new, non apostolic pentecostal church to attend. I still struggle with everything because this has been my life. It's all I've ever known. I haven't talked to anyone about how I feel except my kids. I still love all of my old church family and really feel for them. I also feel very betrayed that I was falsely led astray for so long. I feel like I live a double life. I still look like an Apostolic pentecostal, but I do not agree with it.
I feel almost embarrassed to tell anyone because I defended this religion for so long against so many people. I cry almost daily because I have so many emotions over all of this.
 
Can you define legalism? What does it mean to you? Can you give an example?

Many people would say Jesus was a legalist.

Matt 5:20; "For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.
Matt 5:22; "But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.
Matt 5:29; "If your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.
Matt 5:30; "If your right hand makes you stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to go into hell.
Matt 10:28; "Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Matt 18:9; "If your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out and throw it from you. It is better for you to enter life with one eye, than to have two eyes and be cast into the fiery hell.
Luke 12:5; "But I will warn you whom to fear: fear the One who, after He has killed, has authority to cast into hell; yes, I tell you, fear Him!

Matt 5:19; "Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Matt 19:17; And He said to him, "Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments."
Matt 22:40; "On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets."
Mark 10:19; "You know the commandments, 'DO NOT MURDER, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, DO NOT STEAL, DO NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, Do not defraud, HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER.'"
Luke 18:20; "You know the commandments, 'DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, DO NOT MURDER, DO NOT STEAL, DO NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER.'"
John 14:15; "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.
John 14:21; "He who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will disclose Myself to him."
John 15:10; "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.

Luke 10:15; "And you, Capernaum, will not be exalted to heaven, will you? You will be brought down to Hades!
 
Legalism in this instance is that a person can obtain salvation earned through good works and not the work of Jesus Christ on the cross. I grew up with that thinking, that if I did not follow every rule or law set forth by God or the man of God, I risk eternal damnation.
An example for me is that I could loose my salvation for even the littlest mistake.
For example, women are to dress a certain way at all times. In my case, women were to never ever wear pants, only skirts or dresses. If you did not follow this, you were in Rebellion and meant that you lost your salvation and are going to hell.
I do believe we are to do good works and follow the commandments, but not to earn our salvation. I have learned that salvation is a free gift. We follow God because He first loved us and once we have his spirit in us, we want to do those things. It doesn't mean we will never sin, the Bible says we have all sinned. But God's grace makes a way for us.
I hope this answers your questions.
 
For example, women are to dress a certain way at all times. In my case, women were to never ever wear pants, only skirts or dresses. If you did not follow this, you were in Rebellion and meant that you lost your salvation and are going to hell.
Could you share with me whether your decision to wear skirts comes from a personal conviction to be right before God, or is it something you feel your Pastor forced on you to do? Understanding your heart in this matter will help us support you in your spiritual journey.
 
@Bfaith
Hello Sister,
Welcome to Talk Jesus an online community of Jesus Christ believers!
I hope you will find fellowship, and growth in God's Word while here!

Thank-you for sharing parts of your life, and what is, has been troubling to you. I am sure it was hard doing so. Sadly, too often our focus is on the Denomination, which can move us away from the Way it should be, which is Jesus Christ, our Brothers & Sisters in Christ Jesus, and growing in His Word, while growing closer to Him, while spreading the Gospel!

I have never thought that when we get to Gloryland that we'd be asked or directed to where the Baptists', Pentecostals', Catholics, etc., whichever is appropriate for us, are located so that we could join them! :) Those who think so, as the preacher you mentioned might do well to reread Matthew 23 and ponder upon it and other Scripture as well. Sadly, your son was thirsty, and this man gave him the law to feed upon, in which though perfect, does not provide what only God's Grace through Jesus Christ can, and that is Hope in His Love!

I know it is hard, but do not be down Sister! Sadly, it is but another sign of the times, both in the World, and the Church. It seems the extremes are happening, and it is trying to draw those in the Lord, away from His Grace & Mercy through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ! Keep the faith and keep praying for your family. Most especially your husband! That he might take up the mantle of leadership in Christ Jesus which is rightfully his to carry for your family that has fallen to you. (brotherly hug)

Praying for you and yours Sister.

With the Love of Christ Jesus, again be welcomed!
YBIC
Nick
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Legalism is being so obsessed with the "rules" they become superior to God and his message: "Follow me".
It does NOT negate them.
It's what the Pharisee did, ignoring who Jesus was/is, and worst, attributing his works to evil.
That's blasphemy of the Holy Spirit of which will NEVER be forgiven.

Just b/c some guy stands in front of a church congregation doesn't mean he was called to it.
A lot of chuches have been "planted" but how many are successful?
Better yet which ones are Bible/God based and which are watered down and care more for butts in seats?
 
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