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A project I created which be helpful to some lay speakers in the United Methodist Church or
any church in general.
Leading Public Worship (United Methodist Church)
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A project I created which be helpful to some lay speakers in the United Methodist Church or
any church in general.
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The United Methodists....
Is this the church that has had gay clergy in the past? Performed same sex marriages in the past? Still allows transgender clergy? It seems they are still deciding what to do with this.
www.hrc.org
Is this the church that supports the Black Lives Matter political organization?
They support conditional abortion.
www.pewresearch.org
Not a real good track record.
Is this the church that has had gay clergy in the past? Performed same sex marriages in the past? Still allows transgender clergy? It seems they are still deciding what to do with this.
Stances of Faiths on LGBTQ+ Issues: The United Methodist Church
The United Methodist Church, with an estimated 10.4 million members, has current policies that are strongly against the LGBTQ+ community. However, many…
Is this the church that supports the Black Lives Matter political organization?
They support conditional abortion.
Where major religious groups stand on abortion
Abortion is still a difficult, contentious and even unresolved issue for some religious groups.
www.pewresearch.org
Not a real good track record.
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we have the uniting church here, muslims are welcome to come and pray in there building, they have gay priests, support same sex marriage, condone abortion. They do have an outstanding welfare system, foodbank, no interest loans, they pay overdue bills to anyone who needs it. They have very generous business people who donate finances to them for there welfare programs. Also free haircuts to anyone, a financial counsellor and free social worker. Pity they are so lost otherwise.
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There is a big potential split for the UMC church.
The UMC is a global church so some of the policies enacted by the elders do not represent the views of the members just like some of the foreign policies of a nation do not represent the views of the people.
The church is awaiting annual conference to come to a resolution. It is mostly the churches in the USA the support the gay marriage whereas the African conferences oppose it. There will
be a meeting of the general assembly to put forth a statement for the global UMC. The conference was cancelled this year due to covid.
I do not gay marriage and many in the UMC do not also. As a Christian I do not support abortion,
but I do support the affirmation of the statement "Black Lives Matter".
Though the political entity has caused much controversy mostly with Whites it seems who are possibly unaware of the struggle, the message itself is merely
a stand against racism.
Divorced from all the politics of it, the phrase at the core is just about raising awareness to racism in the context of police brutality, however
by the intense opposition that comes out whenever race is mentioned it confuses me why we who are the body of Christ, called to stand with the oppressed feel so
uncomfortable talking about race and acknowledging the obvious racism in the USA which is not new, but the fruit of a people brought in chains and treated like
2nd class citizens for years. In the USA there has been more years when Blacks were enslaved compared to when they were granted legal freedom. Think about
that 200 years of slavery compared to 156 years since the emancipation proclamation, and we think all of that has disappeared when the years of harm have
been longer than the years of gradual healing. Are we serious???
You deny a people from learning to read and wonder why they now are doing poorer on test scores
You persecute a people and put them in chains and wonder why they have issues of anger
You deny financial opportunities from a people and centralize wealth and wonder why they are not as financially well off as the rest of society.
You systematically target their communities with drugs and wonder why their communities have such gang problems.
Are we serious???
For me it is a matter of systemic racism and this is how I define systemic racism.
It is interesting how in the church we will talk about the life of the unborn, but when it comes to the oppressed that are alive, especially of a minority group
we are silent. Very interesting.
The UMC is a global church so some of the policies enacted by the elders do not represent the views of the members just like some of the foreign policies of a nation do not represent the views of the people.
The church is awaiting annual conference to come to a resolution. It is mostly the churches in the USA the support the gay marriage whereas the African conferences oppose it. There will
be a meeting of the general assembly to put forth a statement for the global UMC. The conference was cancelled this year due to covid.
I do not gay marriage and many in the UMC do not also. As a Christian I do not support abortion,
but I do support the affirmation of the statement "Black Lives Matter".
Though the political entity has caused much controversy mostly with Whites it seems who are possibly unaware of the struggle, the message itself is merely
a stand against racism.
Divorced from all the politics of it, the phrase at the core is just about raising awareness to racism in the context of police brutality, however
by the intense opposition that comes out whenever race is mentioned it confuses me why we who are the body of Christ, called to stand with the oppressed feel so
uncomfortable talking about race and acknowledging the obvious racism in the USA which is not new, but the fruit of a people brought in chains and treated like
2nd class citizens for years. In the USA there has been more years when Blacks were enslaved compared to when they were granted legal freedom. Think about
that 200 years of slavery compared to 156 years since the emancipation proclamation, and we think all of that has disappeared when the years of harm have
been longer than the years of gradual healing. Are we serious???
You deny a people from learning to read and wonder why they now are doing poorer on test scores
You persecute a people and put them in chains and wonder why they have issues of anger
You deny financial opportunities from a people and centralize wealth and wonder why they are not as financially well off as the rest of society.
You systematically target their communities with drugs and wonder why their communities have such gang problems.
Are we serious???
For me it is a matter of systemic racism and this is how I define systemic racism.
It is interesting how in the church we will talk about the life of the unborn, but when it comes to the oppressed that are alive, especially of a minority group
we are silent. Very interesting.
Jesus_is_LORD
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Let's bring it back to Jesus.
Jesus said this, "By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.” -John 13:35
And many within the church in the Black community are not feeling the love from their White brothers
and sisters in Christ. You don't have to agree with someone to love them.
For me personally, when the riots were happening in Baltimore city with the death of Freddie Gray, I took to the
streets to show love. I purchased gift cards and thank you cards for police officers and I walked the streets
and was thanking the police for their service, while also going to the mayor's office and sharing ideas of
better community policing. My response was to share love, even in the midst of a sad situation.
Let us share love. It seems however that the lack of empathy for what Blacks go through in this country comes
across as a lack of love and thus stains the witness of the church. Personally my faith is not in jeopardy because of
the behaviors of others, I'm not going to hate anyone because of their actions towards me.
Owe no man anything but love.
Jesus said this, "By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.” -John 13:35
And many within the church in the Black community are not feeling the love from their White brothers
and sisters in Christ. You don't have to agree with someone to love them.
For me personally, when the riots were happening in Baltimore city with the death of Freddie Gray, I took to the
streets to show love. I purchased gift cards and thank you cards for police officers and I walked the streets
and was thanking the police for their service, while also going to the mayor's office and sharing ideas of
better community policing. My response was to share love, even in the midst of a sad situation.
Let us share love. It seems however that the lack of empathy for what Blacks go through in this country comes
across as a lack of love and thus stains the witness of the church. Personally my faith is not in jeopardy because of
the behaviors of others, I'm not going to hate anyone because of their actions towards me.
Owe no man anything but love.
And the otherwise being lost is the Most important Their spiritual life is far more important.
