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One sister recommended an article to me, which talks about Jews.
the article said everything is under God's plan, so Jew's fate in WW2 was also God's plan.
because Jews ancestors killed Jesus and said if there would be any bad result, let do it to their children.
so God used Nazi to punish Jews. ( The part scares me, cause I think about Bin Larden)
but God also promised Jews to rebulid Jerusalem, which they did in 50s.

anyway after reading the article I think the author is not anti-semitic, but do you think he passed the bottom line a little bit?
Jews, Nazi-----2 parts of God's play?
Jews are also God's children, although they believe Judaism. Jesus was the King of Jew. Jews did nothing wrong in WW2, but did they really need to repay the debt that their ancestors made? Do you feel it is unfair?:confused:
 
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do you mean she is a racialist?
in some extent, it is a kind of public opinion in my country.
even among believers, we do love Jews, but most people believe God arranged Jew's fate in WW2.
i have no comment on this.
 
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NewMan said:
I think your friend has some growing to do in Jesus...
lol! Newman! JesusistheGod reacted quickly to your post and encourage you to interject a bit more to his question.

Your servant in Christ Jesus.
 
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Let's get some things straight. One thing, Hitler was clearly anti-christ and purely evil. He had ordered over one million jews killed because of whatever naive mentality that did not meet his desires. He wanted world domination and all to be blonde hair, blue eyes. Talk about stupidity. Well, he committed suicidie and faced his consequence.

As for jews, they are GOD's chosen people who were the ones to spread the Gospels across the world. Sure, GOD was mad at them here and there but they were always His chosen nation to do His will. If I'm not mistaken, Israel was the first nation of the world.
 
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jesusisthegod said:
do you mean she is a racialist?
in some extent, it is a kind of public opinion in my country.
even among believers, we do love Jews, but most people believe God arranged Jew's fate in WW2.
i have no comment on this.
ha ha ha, No, I don't mean she is a racist, Don't be silly!:confused:

She just doesn't fully understand the charictor of Jesus, who Jesus is, and what "Father forgive them for they know not what they do" means... She will learn all this from our Lord in time...

Chad covered the rest of what I would have said very well...:thumbs_up
 
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Perhaps this passage from Jeremiah may shed some light on the subject -

JER 16:10 "When you tell these people all this and they ask you, `Why has the LORD decreed such a great disaster against us? What wrong have we done? What sin have we committed against the LORD our God?' 11 then say to them, `It is because your fathers forsook me,' declares the LORD, `and followed other gods and served and worshiped them. They forsook me and did not keep my law. 12 But you have behaved more wickedly than your fathers. See how each of you is following the stubbornness of his evil heart instead of obeying me. 13 So I will throw you out of this land into a land neither you nor your fathers have known, and there you will serve other gods day and night, for I will show you no favor.'

JER 16:14 "However, the days are coming," declares the LORD, "when men will no longer say, `As surely as the LORD lives, who brought the Israelites up out of Egypt,' 15 but they will say, `As surely as the LORD lives, who brought the Israelites up out of the land of the north and out of all the countries where he had banished them.' For I will restore them to the land I gave their forefathers.

JER 16:16 "But now I will send for many fishermen," declares the LORD, "and they will catch them. After that I will send for many hunters, and they will hunt them down on every mountain and hill and from the crevices of the rocks. 17 My eyes are on all their ways; they are not hidden from me, nor is their sin concealed from my eyes. 18 I will repay them double for their wickedness and their sin, because they have defiled my land with the lifeless forms of their vile images and have filled my inheritance with their detestable idols."

JER 16:19 O LORD, my strength and my fortress,
my refuge in time of distress,
to you the nations will come
from the ends of the earth and say,
"Our fathers possessed nothing but false gods,
worthless idols that did them no good.

JER 16:20 Do men make their own gods?
Yes, but they are not gods!"

JER 16:21 "Therefore I will teach them--
this time I will teach them
my power and might.
Then they will know
that my name is the LORD.

JER 17:1 "Judah's sin is engraved with an iron tool,
inscribed with a flint point,
on the tablets of their hearts
and on the horns of their altars.

JER 17:2 Even their children remember
their altars and Asherah poles
beside the spreading trees
and on the high hills.

JER 17:3 My mountain in the land
and your wealth and all your treasures
I will give away as plunder,
together with your high places,
because of sin throughout your country.

JER 17:4 Through your own fault you will lose
the inheritance I gave you.
I will enslave you to your enemies
in a land you do not know,
for you have kindled my anger,
and it will burn forever."
 
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Well I can see who ever wrote that article is surely a twisted individual and should not be given a second thought except prayer..

That God would use humilation. rape, torture, horrid medical experiments, hunger. to tottally debase abuse and bring another human being to the lowest level you could to a person.. for punnishment.. for Killing Jesus... ? not just Jewish people were killed, but mentally disabled, handicapped, politcal prisoners. and anybody else who did not fit into Hiltlers plan..

Nobody killed Jesus ( not in the sense of Jews being responsible).. did not Jesus come to die.? was this not the plan from the begining to be the spotless lamb...? Did not Jesus say he lays down his life? How can there be a debt to pay on something that was planned before the creation of the earth.. ?

Jesus came to pay our debt., and there is no price that could be payed for this. nothing. ever.. nothing
No this is a disjusting article on the majesty of God..,

No human on the face of the earth knows Gods plans on running the planet, how he works them in to being, or what purposes or why..

I think a good long reading of Job is needed.

Kevin
 
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Job is an awesome book. Its one (well all books in the bible are) that you "cannot put down" until you read the whole thing, even though its long. To me it is that way. Also, Jeremiah is what I am currently reading. GOD is not happy at all in that book as far as I see, hopefully not misunderstanding anything.

Honestly, the person that wrote the article will face a fine punishment if it were intentional against GOD. If it were just a misunderstanding or "lost" viewpoint, GOD speaks for sure either way. I hope this person will get witnessed to and saved.
 
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Chad

Brother ..

You noticed that too... Job scares me alittle.. on how God responded like a stern parent taking to a child.. but what a incredible book.. to read God respond.. just awesome... gives me goosebumps.. what a incredible God we serve

Kevin
 
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I am not justifying abuse of humankind, I am pointing out God predicted the Israelites would be banished from the Holy land and then return.
`As surely as the LORD lives, who brought the Israelites up out of the land of the north and out of all the countries where he had banished them.' JER 16:15
 
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6 millions Jews were killed in WW2.
In Shanghai, China, 30,000 Jews from Europe were protected by chinese during the same period.
 
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To say that the Jews killed Jesus is a very shallow and worldly viewpoint. The truth is that every sinner (and that includes me!) is responsible for Jesus' death. He died in our place so that we could inherit eternal life. No one but Jesus alone was responsible for his death. He allowed the Jews and the Romans to kill him, it was part of the redemption plan. Jesus laid down his life voluntarily.

The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life - only to take it back up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down on my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again.
John 10:17-18
 
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evangeline said:
To say that the Jews killed Jesus is a very shallow and worldly viewpoint. The truth is that every sinner (and that includes me!) is responsible for Jesus' death. He died in our place so that we could inherit eternal life. No one but Jesus alone was responsible for his death. He allowed the Jews and the Romans to kill him, it was part of the redemption plan. Jesus laid down his life voluntarily.

The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life - only to take it back up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down on my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again.
John 10:17-18
Amen!
Speaking the truth in Love. I couldn't agree more.

Peace be with you,
John.
 
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sorry for my careless mistake:
should be 6 million Jews were killed in WW2.
by the way, 25 million Russian were killed in WW2,
35 million Chinese were killed;
8 million( not so sure) German were killed;
6-8 million (not so sure) Japanese were killed;
in the WW2.
so it was a tragedy for all the human beings ,not only for Jews.
I agree with this opinion.
 
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I think Russia lost near 40 million. Yes it was a great tragedy. The greatest tragedy was that many of these people died without believing in Jesus. no matter what race or nation they where.

But one thing i know. Nothing happens on earth without God allowing it to happen. Evil man will make their plans but all their plans will come to nothing when our Messiah returns.



All Praise The Ancient Of Days
 
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jesusisthegod i am not sure what you are asking?

Do you mean Judas the apostle who betrayed Jesus?

I do not believe that judas was unforgivable nor the jews or romans who killed Jesus. it all depends on if they repented before they died. I know that many jews believed in Jesus after He was killed and probably there where some romans also who believed in Jesus before they died.

All praise the Ancient Of Days
 
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do you mean Jesus' death take away all the sins since the beginning of the world to the end of the world? so all the human beings are forgivable.
or He just took away the sins after His death? so people who were bron after His death were forgivable automatically. the people in the world before His death needed followed Him to get forgiven?
 
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Hi Jesusisthegod


No i do not believe that all mankind are automatically saved because of Jesus. What i mean is that even those who took part in the killing of Jesus could be saved if they had repented for what they had done and believed in Jesus as Messiah.

I know from scriptures that some people who did take part in the killing of Jesus later on repented and believed in Jesus and where saved. This happened to some on the day of Pentecost.

All praise The Ancient Of Days
 
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