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Jesus said “taken” means judged.

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1. Jesus said “taken” means judged.

“The flood came and took them all away. So shall the coming of the Son of Man be.” (Matt 24:39)

Not blessed. Not raptured.
Taken = Judged.
And who was left behind?
Noah.

2. Paul says the resurrection of the dead and the gathering of the elect happen at Christ’s return.
“The Lord Himself shall descend… the dead in Christ shall rise first… then we which are alive… shall be caught up together with them…” (1 Thess 4:16–17)

That perfectly matches:
“He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather His elect…” (Matt 24:31)

Same event.
Same sequence.
No secret rapture. No disappearing act. No two comings of Christ.

3. The “mystery” Paul speaks of was hidden — not absent.

“I will open My mouth in parables; I will utter things kept secret from the foundation of the world.” (Matt 13:35)
Jesus literally says He’s revealing hidden things. That’s what a mystery is — not nonexistent, just not clearly understood until the appointed time.

4. The resurrection and transformation “in a twinkling of an eye” refers to the changenot to a secret vanishing.
“We shall all be changed — in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye.” (1 Cor 15:51–52)
That describes how fast our bodies are transformed — not how fast Jesus snatches us off the planet like a cosmic magician.

5. The idea of people being left behind but “it’s okay, they’ll have another chance” is nowhere in the words of Christ. That’s Hal Lindsey fiction, not Scripture.

In fact, Jesus says:

“As in the days of Noah… they knew not until the flood came and took them all away. So shall also the coming of the Son of Man be.”
No second chance. No post-rapture revival tour.

Scofield
contradicts Christ at nearly every point:

Jesus says the wicked are taken — they say the righteous are.

Jesus says He returns once — they invent a return before His return.

Jesus gathers the elect at the trumpet — they say the elect are gone already.

Paul says the resurrection is at Christ’s coming — they say it’s before.

The early Church warned of this delusion — ^ and here it is.

Let’s call this what it is:
A Disney-tier distortion of the Gospel, propped up by the Rockefeller's & Oxford, Zionist Scofield notes, Hollywood fantasy, and a total disregard for Jesus’ own words.

Jesus isn’t coming back twice to clean up your Scofieldian lies and theological wreckage.
He returns once — in glory, in power, at the last trumpet.
And if you’re not ready then, you don’t get a sequel.

This isn’t Left Behind.

It’s Left Out.
Forever.
 
Scofield had to make Christians buy into a pre-trib rapture to pull off the biggest theological con job in Church history—convincing them that the Body of Christ isn't Israel. That was the linchpin. If believers understood that they are the fulfillment of God's covenant—they are the seed of Abraham through faith in Christ—then there’d be no room left for this modern Zionist abomination masquerading as prophecy. But Scofield, backed by the Rothschilds, British elites, and the Oxford press, crafted footnotes so deceptive, so surgically tailored, that they didn’t just change opinions—they reprogrammed the entire Church.

This wasn’t innocent error. This was strategic spiritual sabotage. The modern nation calling itself “Israel”—a land annexed in 1948 with blood, bullets, and banking deals—was marketed as the fulfillment of prophecy. And in order for Christians to swallow that lie, they first had to be cut out of the covenant. That’s what Scofield did. He surgically removed the Church from its place as the Israel of God and replaced it with a Christ-rejecting political state propped up by global elites. And the hook that made it all work? The two-stage return of Jesus. The so-called “secret rapture” before the tribulation, and then a second return years later. This is nowhere in Scripture. Jesus said He comes once. With fire. With angels. With a trumpet. And when He comes, the wicked are taken, not the righteous. But Scofield’s heresy flipped the script, reversed judgment and reward, and told Christians that they’d be yanked out of the way so God could “deal with Israel” again. Not the Israel that believes in Messiah. No—ethnic, unbelieving, Christ-denying Israel.

This wasn’t just a doctrinal shift. This was a full-blown replacement of the Gospel. Instead of preaching Christ crucified, we now have entire denominations preaching “stand with Israel” as if waving a flag earns you righteousness. The Church became Zionism’s marketing arm, not Christ’s body. And the sickest part? They fund it. With billions. Supporting a state that spits on the Messiah while calling it “God’s chosen.”

Scofield didn’t just get it wrong—he intentionally handed the Church over to the synagogue of Satan, dressed it up in Bible quotes, and made Christians cheer for their own theological execution. Jesus flipped tables for far less. This is not a mistake. It is the greatest act of theological treason since Judas kissed the Lord and handed Him over. If you can read the New Testament and still claim the modern state of Israel is the fulfillment of God’s promise, then you’re not following Christ. You’re following Scofield. And if your end-times theology was written in the margins of a Rockefeller-funded Bible printed in Oxford, you might want to check which kingdom you're actually promoting. Because it sure isn’t the one Jesus preached.
 
I have always been amazed how people believe that the Jesus appearing in the air but does not touch the ground does not count as his return , of course they have to believe that in order for the pre trib to work. I would like to get your thoughts on the verse in revelation that says Jesus says

Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.


when I was a pre trib believer at one point I used this verse often to point to a rapture.
 
I agree with a lot of this. But it seems those who are "taken" will be with the Lord forever.

1Thes 4:16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
1Thes 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.
 
Context: "2nd Corinthians chapter 11 (KJV)
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works."

Context reiteration: Revelation/Apocalypse 2:9-11

Christ is Truth, and this is why bearing false witness, lying, is an offense of the Hell-bound. That serpent/ dragon/ fallen angel/ lying dEvil (by any name) tried this in the Garden of Eden.

Christ commands us to cast out devils in His name. Christ is the Way. Yeah.
 
I have always been amazed how people believe that the Jesus appearing in the air but does not touch the ground does not count as his return , of course they have to believe that in order for the pre trib to work. I would like to get your thoughts on the verse in revelation that says Jesus says

Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.

when I was a pre trib believer at one point I used this verse often to point to a rapture.
What verse is that, and what are you comparing it with, please : )
 
What verse is that, and what are you comparing it with, please : )
A verse taken out of revelation when Jesus is talking to the churches.

Revelation 3:10

Because you have kept my word about patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell on the earth.
 
Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

"The Gospel of Christ"​

Is correct to be "taken" or "took" has to do with "judgment." Noe and the ark have nothing to do with the rapture or the resurrection of the dead.
It has to do with Jesus in His second coming when He returns to earth in flaming vengeance to destroy all the ungodly and those who do not know God. Remember, Noe and his family were allowed to repopulate the earth after the wicked were destroyed. When Jesus returns and destroys all the wicked (similar to the flood), after all the people who make it through the great tribulation and were not killed, will repopulate the Millennium Kingdom.

This is why many believe that Noah went through the flood and did not catch up to God, but rather saw the destruction of the wicked. They also think that the Church will go through the great tribulation, as Noah experienced the flood, which implies that the Church will also experience the great tribulation. However, this is not true.
 
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