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Greetings in Jesus' Name!

I recently saw a documentary on kids about 10-15
years old that were troubled with the disorder of
Tourettes!

Tourettes, def. Neurological disorder characterized
by facial grimaces and tics and movements of the
upper body and grunts and shouts and coprolalia.

coprolalia,def. An uncontrollable use of obscene
language; often accompanied by mental disorders.

I was so impressed with the demeanor, intelligence
and communication skills in forming compound and
structured sentences.

All the children excelled in differnet and various sports,
musical instruments, art, crafts and hobbies.

They were so frustrated though about their malady,
some would become very withdrawn or violent trying
to inflict bodily harm on themselves.

I felt the compassion of God rise up in me and started
to pray for them!

Has anyone known or know any boy,girl, man woman ,
or Christian [hopefully not] having this disorder?

Has anyone ever witnessed them being delivered by
Jesus' healing power?

My grandmother's daughter-in-law's mother I believe
had this.

I remember as a child seeing her walk, then squat down,
walk like a duck and move her head like a chicken while
making strange' sounds. I don't know if this syndrom is
demons?

I have ministered to many different types of 'vexed'
people who were 'set free' of demon power in the Name
of Jesus Christ! Praise God!
But I've never had an opportunity to minister Christ to
thistype of altered state of someone's'normal' personality!

Have any of you ministered to people having Tourettes?

What are your thoughts on this subject?

God Bless!

Your brother in Christ,
Joe
 
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Yes I knew someone who had this tourettes , he had it from a child on up. He was a born again beleiver , he of course prayed it would be taken away from him . It wasn't but he said he felt God put this upon him for a testing of sorts and was always an upbeat person even with the tourettes. He was a mighty wittness for Jesus and loved the Lord with all his heart, he was truly a remarlable man. He died almost 2 years ago, he had cancer , but thats not what killed him he had a heart attack.
 
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I don't know anything about abnormality other than what you have posted. But I do know this, God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind. God may allow things to transpire, but that doesn't mean the He instigated it. A good example of this is God cannot lie and satan is the father of all lies, yet God allows or permits it.
 
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It must be hard to be a christian and suffer from coprolalia,i sometimes wonder,when the brain can pick to shout anything,why is it only restricted to obscenities?i can imagine it must be hard to lead a normal christian life or life at all for them,how would the church react to a coprolalia sufferer sitting in the pews?It must put the sufferer off going to church.be nice to meet anyone out there who is a sufferer and a christian too:smile:
 
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Oh Paul attended chrurch regulaly , the people in the church knew what he was going through and that medicaly there is no cure . They had him on Haldol to help aleveiate the symptons , but he still had episods. And he was a christian who handled what he had in a dignified manner. He never blamed God at all , he just knew in his heart that all people have different trials that come upon them and he just happened to be one of them. Even when he found out about the cancer he was not afraid , he said he knew he had a masion waiting for him if he died and he could finaly be with the Lord. A very speacial person indead.
 
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bigwhale said:
It must be hard to be a christian and suffer from coprolalia,i sometimes wonder,when the brain can pick to shout anything,why is it only restricted to obscenities?i can imagine it must be hard to lead a normal christian life or life at all for them,how would the church react to a coprolalia sufferer sitting in the pews?It must put the sufferer off going to church.be nice to meet anyone out there who is a sufferer and a christian too:smile:
I looked it up online and it sounds like a terribly embarrassing illness, but I can't imagine God causing one of His children to endure this. Especially in light of what Jesus said in the book of Luke.

Luke 6:43-45
43*“A good tree can’t produce bad fruit, and a bad tree can’t produce good fruit. 44*A tree is identified by the kind of fruit it produces. Figs never grow on thornbushes or grapes on bramble bushes. 45*A good person produces good deeds from a good heart, and an evil person produces evil deeds from an evil heart. Whatever is in your heart determines what you say.
 
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Set Free! said:
Has anyone known or know any boy,girl, man woman ,
or Christian [hopefully not] having this disorder?
A pastor in one of our churches has Tourettes - he has lost an eye and beaten himself black and blue over the years. He has spent many months with doctors and specialists trying to find the right drug coctail to help curb the symptoms, and that has taken its toll on his health, as he goes through withdrawl over several weeks each time they switch drugs...

He is convinced that it is not a spiritual matter; it is purely a physical condition, though several people have thought they were discerning that it is spiritually rooted.

Can't really try deliverance ministry with someone who doesn't believe it is needed I guess.

He should be back from the specialists in a month or so, and we will see where God takes it from there.
 
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Its just a phiysical thing , people with this dissorder are not spiritualy lacking. I do not beleieve God makes anyone ill , I have a nephew Donald who was born with Cerable Palsy , he was deprived of oxygen during birth, God did nothing things just happen. This worls is full of good God fearing people who get cancer , MS , Lou Garrets desise to mention a few. That dosen't have a thing to do with God putting this on those who love and obey him.. In my opinon at least.
 
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Autism is another example of a syndrome that could be mistaken for demon possession. There is also another syndrome, named Selective Mutism: someone in my own immediate family suffers from it.
 
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greyfeather said:
Its just a phiysical thing , people with this dissorder are not spiritualy lacking.
Where my question lies is not whether someone is spiritually lacking, but rather under a spiritual oppression or curse of some kind or generational or other curse that needs to be dealt with.

For me, it is in the same catagory as clinical depression, and being thought of as a chemical imbalance that is to be treated with drugs.

I know a number of poeople diagnosed with clinical depression and some of them have stories like this one from a 17 year old girl: "My parents divorced when I was 5, and I was rejected by both my parents - neither one wanted me, and I have been through 12 different sets of foster parents since then. I have been kicked out of school..." It is just a chemical imbalance the doctors say...That is why you are depressed.

Come on, now, I don't think that drugs can begin to address the issues she faces...

Anyway, I agree that God is not the author of sin or sickness - we live in a fallen world that is being, and will be fully redeemed. I can hardly wait!
 
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Brother Paul!

greyfeather said:
Oh Paul attended chrurch regulaly , the people in the church knew what he was going through and that medicaly there is no cure . They had him on Haldol to help aleveiate the symptons , but he still had episods. And he was a christian who handled what he had in a dignified manner. He never blamed God at all , he just knew in his heart that all people have different trials that come upon them and he just happened to be one of them. Even when he found out about the cancer he was not afraid , he said he knew he had a masion waiting for him if he died and he could finaly be with the Lord. A very speacial person indead.

Hi Rose Mary!

Good to see you on Talk Jesus!

Wow, what a guy Paul was! I draw stregnth from
'his' testimony! :thumbs_up

I do wonder and agree with 'bigwhale' on this point:

"i sometimes wonder,when the brain can pick to
shout anything,why is it only restricted to obscenities?"

Does anyone know why this happens, even in a Christian?

God Bless!

Joe
 
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Hi Joe,
Tourettes is one thing that alot is unknown about and needs to be study in greater depth. One thing I would like to address is the cussing thing, these people also make animal sounds at times. I and others are of an opion that the reason for this is , through out our lives we all have heard cussing at some point in time as we have all heard animal sounds. Things that we hear see and lern are all stored in the brain. So its a therory that the brain for what ever reason miss fires and anything can come out of a Tourettes sufferers mouth. I think personal it comes from the subconcous part of the brain. In the case of Paul he never cussed untill he had an episode , he detested bad laungage of any kind so what I have written is the only way I have of tring to explain this.
In Christ
Rose Mary
 
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I know this was posted in 2006 but hopefully someone will look. I've been a born again believer since my early teens, Love Jesus with all my heart, been baptized and wanted to be in ministry one day so I studies a Bachelor in Contemporary Ministry and Theology. One year after completing my course I started hearing voices... It sent me to a psychiatric ward 4x and convinced me I was unsaved and going to hell. The voices told me repeatedly to kill myself and do bizarre things. I'm much more in control now one year on and am aware the enemy must have a part to play in this! It can't be just chemicals... Only last week I started having uncontrollable outbursts swearing! I hate swearing and never had it in my vocabulary even before Christ. It's happened all week and I try and surpress it all day as to be a positive representative of Christ then when I get into my room, or if I relax my brain too much it just comes out. The thought doesn't even run through first, it just happens. I feel my mouth starting to make an F shape and I can feel the pressure to say f u, all the time. Now it's also making me put my middle finger up.

I would like to say it is uncontrollable! I do not enjoy it nor do u think it's funny.

Nor is it the wellspring of my heart. I completely understand why this scripture would be brought up in this context but... I've never meditated on foul language nor am I constantly around people who do. I've studied the word of god for 3 yrs and meditated on that, solid for 9 hrs a day doing my assesments.

I am definatly a Christian, Jesus is The Lord of my life... So this must happen to his children just like cancer and other horrible things.

In my denomination I've been told I can't be demon possessed because our spirit is filled with the Holy Spirit. I'm not quite sure how this works because I know the Holy Spirit is within me and I speak in tounges.

I would like to say I agree with the person that questions why this illness 'coprolalia' only accesses obscenities in your brain and not just random babble. If it was just muddling up my thoughts and accessing random words at random times I'd understand. But it doesn't... It's the f word, s word and a multitude of horrible sentences also randomly directed at myself or others. I am a positive girl and believe in positive self talk and meditating on gods word, so these outbursts go against my character and self beliefs. It also yells, "your ugly", when I believe I'm beautiful.

Honestly... If this is not some form of Demon possession I don't know what is. Sure it'll have a chemical imbalance too, but why just derogatory remarks and even using the Lords namd in vein. I've seen another girl with Tourette's say the name of Jesus repeatedly in a derogatory manner.

I defiantly believe the church needs to rise up in the area of mental health! The answer is not all pills people! If you still hear voices on the medication and all of this happens, you've gotta ask yourself what else is at play.

I honestly have felt like the madman in the gospels that Jesus delivered, except I haven't been delivered yet. Not only that they denied me the ability to step up in leadership at church because of my illness. I completely understand, a new Christian or someone under my pastoral leadership would never understand if all of a sudden I burst out swearing. It deeply saddened me though because I just finished my degree, which I did to be more involved in full time ministry. My hopes and dreams seem a bit shattered...

Just like prayer for other areas, people should take Christians with horrible mental illnesses seriously. Many are suicidal because of the persecutors thoughts that come. Let me tell you, hospitals not that healing either, nurses injecting unknown substances into you and waking up days later!! Yup I've suffered so many horrible side effects from medication you need to know it neither stops the voices nor deals with the issue. If a matter is also spiritual, our churches should be better prepared to handle such cases and not just call the psychiatrist.

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Hi I don't know you but I came across your post. I am a Christian social work major who is currently studying TS. I was baffled when I began to see all of the symptoms of TS, so I decided to search for Christians who might have the disease. I want you to know I believe you when you say it is demonic. As to your question about rather or not you are possessed, I have always been told that born again believers can not be possessed but they can be oppressed. Perhaps this is what is going on with you? I wont say for sure because I don't know personally I don't want to be just talking out of my own understanding. However I feel strongly that this is true. I suffered from many things AFTER I gave my life to Christ so I believe that although u cant be possessed you can be demonically influenced. I want you to know that I will be taking you name and praying for your deliverance. You are already delivered its just a matter of WHEN rather now or in glory. However never keep the constant hope that the Lord will deliver you. No matter what anyone else tells you. You ARE FREE. don't get comfortable . Remember that God can deliver you its just a matter of WHEN he will. If he doesn't.. know this... "His Grace is sufficient" period. God bless you and I will be praying for you my sister and I look forward to hearing about your deliverance rather it be in the present or when I see you in glory.:smile:
"I was given a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan to torment me. 8 Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me 9 But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness. Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me. 10 That is why, for Christ’s sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.2 Corinth 12;9"
also realize that in this text he said he was given a thorn in his flesh a messenger of satan. Nowhere does it say that it came from God. God does not author evil but he can allow it. Those reason for us may never be known but its not our responsibility to fathom the thoughts and ways of God . It only important that we are faithful and obedient despite the circumstances. We must love and want God more than we want the answers

Check out the following links. I would also do your own research on demonic oppression and let the holy spirit lead you on the next steps to take. I do believe in clinical treatment but I think those things when they are not combined with the spiritual serve as temporary sedations of the real problem.
What does the Bible say about demonic oppression?
 
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I know this was posted in 2006 but hopefully someone will look. I've been a born again believer since my early teens, Love Jesus with all my heart, been baptized and wanted to be in ministry one day so I studies a Bachelor in Contemporary Ministry and Theology. One year after completing my course I started hearing voices... It sent me to a psychiatric ward 4x and convinced me I was unsaved and going to hell. The voices told me repeatedly to kill myself and do bizarre things. I'm much more in control now one year on and am aware the enemy must have a part to play in this! It can't be just chemicals... Only last week I started having uncontrollable outbursts swearing! I hate swearing and never had it in my vocabulary even before Christ. It's happened all week and I try and surpress it all day as to be a positive representative of Christ then when I get into my room, or if I relax my brain too much it just comes out. The thought doesn't even run through first, it just happens. I feel my mouth starting to make an F shape and I can feel the pressure to say f u, all the time. Now it's also making me put my middle finger up.

I would like to say it is uncontrollable! I do not enjoy it nor do u think it's funny.

Nor is it the wellspring of my heart. I completely understand why this scripture would be brought up in this context but... I've never meditated on foul language nor am I constantly around people who do. I've studied the word of god for 3 yrs and meditated on that, solid for 9 hrs a day doing my assesments.

I am definatly a Christian, Jesus is The Lord of my life... So this must happen to his children just like cancer and other horrible things.

In my denomination I've been told I can't be demon possessed because our spirit is filled with the Holy Spirit. I'm not quite sure how this works because I know the Holy Spirit is within me and I speak in tounges.

I would like to say I agree with the person that questions why this illness 'coprolalia' only accesses obscenities in your brain and not just random babble. If it was just muddling up my thoughts and accessing random words at random times I'd understand. But it doesn't... It's the f word, s word and a multitude of horrible sentences also randomly directed at myself or others. I am a positive girl and believe in positive self talk and meditating on gods word, so these outbursts go against my character and self beliefs. It also yells, "your ugly", when I believe I'm beautiful.

Honestly... If this is not some form of Demon possession I don't know what is. Sure it'll have a chemical imbalance too, but why just derogatory remarks and even using the Lords namd in vein. I've seen another girl with Tourette's say the name of Jesus repeatedly in a derogatory manner.

I defiantly believe the church needs to rise up in the area of mental health! The answer is not all pills people! If you still hear voices on the medication and all of this happens, you've gotta ask yourself what else is at play.

I honestly have felt like the madman in the gospels that Jesus delivered, except I haven't been delivered yet. Not only that they denied me the ability to step up in leadership at church because of my illness. I completely understand, a new Christian or someone under my pastoral leadership would never understand if all of a sudden I burst out swearing. It deeply saddened me though because I just finished my degree, which I did to be more involved in full time ministry. My hopes and dreams seem a bit shattered...

Just like prayer for other areas, people should take Christians with horrible mental illnesses seriously. Many are suicidal because of the persecutors thoughts that come. Let me tell you, hospitals not that healing either, nurses injecting unknown substances into you and waking up days later!! Yup I've suffered so many horrible side effects from medication you need to know it neither stops the voices nor deals with the issue. If a matter is also spiritual, our churches should be better prepared to handle such cases and not just call the psychiatrist.

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Hello Joliejen! you are so right when you said "people should take Christians with horrible mental illnesses seriously". The problem is that we Chistians don't know what to do, how to help, or anything.
I have thought before about mental hospitals....how can anyone minister to the people inside? Maybe you have to be admitted first? Or are there chaplains?
And when someone who is acting weird attends church, is there anyone trained to help? I don't think so...
The real question is what does God want me to do? That's where ministry begins.
Please, Father, give Joliejen wisdom about her problem. Please give us both wisdom about ministering to people with mental health problems. Thank you for your continued presence in our lives...amen
 
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I was baffled when I began to see all of the symptoms of TS, so I decided to search for Christians who might have the disease. I want you to know I believe you when you say it is demonic.
I think TS is demonic. I think many things are demonic, that we just write off as just some disease, or this or that. But I know, even though there is a reason for everything, it is not necessarily because of something this, or that, person did that caused them to have a disease like tourettes.

John 9
3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.​

Nevertheless, identifying exactly what the problem is first, is critical to do before the problem can be fixed.

Blessings,

Travis
 
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