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Isaiah 3: 12, When the Father Is Overthrown, and The Boys Are Dysfunctional
"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over
them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy
the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3: 12
"But there was none like unto Ahab, which did sell himself to work
wickedness in the sight of the LORD, whom Jezebel his wife stirred
up." I Kings 21: 25
On the other hand, there are several scriptures which say that the man should be the leader of the couple or the family.
"For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head
of the church: and he is the saviour of the body." Ephesians 5: 23
"Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if
any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the
conversation of the wives;" I Peter 3: 1
"Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own
understanding.
6.In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths."
Proverbs 3: 5-6
To try and make women or children equal to the father figure is to rebel against the ways of God, and it is leaning to human understanding.
Christian faith is based upon a belief that God the Father is
sovereign and that his Word is absolute. In order to diminish and
eventually destroy faith, the Christian belief that God the Father is
the absolute patriarchal authority must be done away with. The
patriarchal authority of the husband and father in the family is a
reflection of God's patriarchal authority. But Paul in Ephesians 5:
25 says for husbands to love their wives, as Christ loved his people.
"For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the
same is my brother, and sister, and mother." Matthew 12:50
"Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and
we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto
the Father of spirits, and live?" Hebrews 12:9
The Transformational Marxist Theodore W. Adorno understood all this,
and in his 1950 book, The Authoritarian Personality, Adorno said that
Christianity and the patriarchal family must be done away with,
because both cause the authoritarian personality and fascism. Being a
Marxist, but not a Bolshevik, Adorno, and his buddies in the Frankfurt
School, had a dialectic mind, and used the dialectic to oppose
fascism, while deceptively promoting their form of collectivism and
totalitarian Marxism. But they didn't call it Marxism, especially not
in the United States. They called it "Democracy," and were perhaps
the forerunners of the present day "Democratic" Party.
"Once the earthly family is discovered to be the secret of the
heavenly family, the former must be destroyed (annihilated), in theory
and in practice." Karl Marx, Feuerbach Thesis #4
“The authoritarian family becomes the factory in which the state’s
structure and ideology are molded.” Wilhelm Reich THE MASS PSYCHOLOGY
OF FASCISM
“The conception of the ideal family situation for the child:
uncritical obedience to the father and elders, pressures directed
unilaterally from above to below, inhibition of spontaneity and
emphasis on conformity to externally imposed values.” Theodore. W.
Adorno, The Authoritarian Personality
“Psychoanalysis must treat religion as a neurosis.” Norman O. Brown
LIFE AGAINST DEATH
“God is conceived more directly after a parental image and thus as a
source of support and as a guiding and sometimes punishing
authority.” Theodor W. Adorno The Authoritarian Personality (1950)
The counterculture of the sixties and seventies introduced a kind of
group think to a generation of Americans and a few born before 1945,
and an ideal of group conformity which was not fully known by those
who took part in this new group think at the time. They were more
interested in becoming "liberated" from the patriarchal family and
patriarchal authority of God in Christianity. But remember the Woodstock Festival in 1969 as the experience of group think, and the many Hippie assemblies to hear rock bands with all the pot smoking.
“The real nature of man is the totality of social relations.” Karl
Marx Thesis on Feuerbach # 6
“It is not individualism that fulfills the individual, on the
contrary it destroys him. Society is the necessary framework through
which freedom and individuality are made realities… only in a
socialist society.” Karl Marx
“The individual is emancipated in the social group.” “Freud
commented that only through the solidarity of all the participants
could the sense of guilt be assuaged.” Norman O. Brown LIFE AGAINST
DEATH
“Only within a social context individual man is able to realize
his own potential as a rational being.” Joseph O’Malley Karl Marx
Critique of Hegel's 'Philosophy of Right'
"One of the most fascinating aspects of group therapy is that
everyone is born again, born together in the group." “Few individuals,
as Asch has shown, can maintain their objectivity [belief in parent or
God] in the face of apparent group unanimity; ...” Irvin D. Yalom
Theory and Practice and Group Psychotherapy
“The individual accepts the new system of values and beliefs by
accepting belongingness to the group.” Kurt Lewin in Kenneth Benne
Human Relations in Curriculum Change
Kurt Lewin was the Marxist social psychologist who began the Group
Dynamics movement, which, among other things, taught the importance of
group cohesiveness in changing human values, beliefs, attitudes and
behavior.
"Small groups are the most effective way of closing the back door of
your church." Rick Warren
Rick Warren is not a member of the Frankfurt School or an American
psychologist Transformational Marxist, but is now a leader of the huge
number of false teachers which have led many Christians away from
having the mind of Christ and uniting with him.
Much of American Psychology, especially that which comes out of Freud
or out of behaviorism over-emphasizes and makes all important man's
flesh, and
follows or supports the Transformational Marxist bent which wants to
overthrow God as the Father figure and wants to diminish the family
because the traditional family has been the foundation of
Christianity, and its patriarchal paradigm, "it is written," "two
plus two is always four and cannot be another number," etc.
Psychology exalts the flesh of man, especially man's pride, calling it
self-esteem and self-actualization (Rogers and Maslow), above man
created as a living soul.
Psychoanalysis from Freud stressed the flesh and advocated a revolt
against the Father authority figure. Behaviorism in psychology, from
Wundt, to Watson and to B.F. Skinner with his Skinner box psychology
all pointed toward a reduced man who is nothing but desires, feelings
and conditioning. Wilhelm Wundt did not deal with classical
and operant conditioning as did John B. Watson and B.F. Skinner.
Wundt did early work on sensory psychology, which was another form of
psychological reductionism.
Dean Gotcher has studied several other psychologists and psychiatrists
who have helped to develop the dialectic which first came from Hegel.
Gotcher has lectures on self psychologists A.H. Maslow and Carl
Rogers, and on psychiatrist and group therapist Irvin Yalom,
Erick Fromm, Norman O. Brown and Herbert Marcuse, who is more like a
sociologist than a psychologist.
Benjamin Bloom was an educational psychologist who wrote volumes on
the taxonomies of educational goals. His system has been used in the
certification of all public school and other school teachers for
decades. Bloom was a Transformational Marxist who had great influence
on the American education system - and all this could only happen
because American society is organized in a top-down way, so that the
elites at the top have control over the entire society.
Benjamin Bloom, who wrote the two volume book on the Taxonomy
of Educational Goal Objectives, by which all teachers must be
certified, said "“We recognize the point of view that
truth and knowledge are only relative and that there are no hard and
fast truths which exist for all time and places.” (Benjamin Bloom, et
al., Taxonomy of Educational Objectives, Book 1, Cognitive Domain)
Dean Gotcher found a footnote in Bloom's Taxonomy of Educational
Objectives Book 2, Affective Domain, on the "Weltanschaaung" or world
view Bloom was following. On
page 166 of this volume Bloom acknowledges the influence of Theodore W. Adorno
and Eric Fromm on the psychological theory, philosophy or ideology
contained in his two volumes, Educational Goal taxonomies. Book II
Affective Domain p. 166. Bloom used the German word Weltanschaaung on this
page of his book to refer to the philosophy underlying Bloom's
educational goals.
“1. Cf. Erich Fromm, 1941; T. W. Adorno et al., 1950” Benjamin Bloom,
Book II Affective Domain p. 166. This is Bloom's footnote
acknowledging the influence on his thinking from Erich Fromm and
Theodore W. Adorno. Adorno was an original Frankfurter Marxist who
posed as a personality and social psychologist in writing his 1950
book, The Authoritarian Personality, in which he claimed that the
authoritarian personality and fascism are caused by the family and
Christianity. Erich Fromm was a Transformational Marxist psychologist
and close associate of the Frankfurters.
"In the eyes of the dialectical philosophy, nothing is established for
all time, nothing is absolute or sacred." (Karl Marx)
For Transformational Marxism and the dialectic mind there are no absolute
truths and no absolute morals. Everything is relative and subject to
dialogue within
the dialectic process, with more emphasis on relationships and
feelings than on truth
or morals.
The present II Timothy type Christian community (II Timothy 3: 5, 7-8) does not follow Marx in his
rejection of God, but it does make use of the dialectic procedure in arguments from
Hegel and Marx and refined by several American psychologists.
Dean Gotcher says the Mega Church movement cannot
exist without the dialectic church. That is, Psychologized
Transformational Marxism invaded the American church a number of decades
ago.
The Transformational Marxists, who were lodged in our major
universities after the Frankfurt School got run out of Nazi Germany,
set out on their "long march through the institutions" soon after the
publication of The Authoritarian Personality (1950) by
Marxist-Freudian Theodore W. Adorno, a Frankfurter. We then got the
counterculture, with the drug and hippie movements at its core and
many allied movements that changed an entire generation, the Baby
Boomers. Some of these allied movements were the homosexual,
feminist, lesbian, and self psychology movements. The drug movement
and the Hippies rejected patriarchal Christianity, especially Christian
morality. But the feminist, lesbian and homosexual movements were more
focused on diminishing the patriarchal American family. These
movements, along with
the self psychology of A.H. Maslow and Carl Rogers, which was brought
into the counterculture, helped greatly to "kill" the American
father figure, and
the leadership of the male in the heterosexual relationship.
Back about twenty-five years ago the Christian book publishers were
not interested in manuscripts on a Biblical view of the counterculture and
its rejection of Christianity. There was no Internet back then, and self-publishing
was only in its very beginning. At that time, the counterculture had been
going on since the early to mid sixties, about 20 years. The Christian book
editors and almost all Christian leaders did not realize then that the
counterculture marked a fundamental shift in thinking, from absolute truth and
absolute morality to a reliance upon relationships, feelings, opinion and group consensus rather than
"It is written." The making of what had historically been a small art, literature and music bohemian subculture into a mass movement which changed millions of younger people was somewhat unique. This bohemian subculture, made into a mass movement, exalted sensuality, or man's flesh.
In addition, remember that starting in the seventies there was something called
the "Me Generation," that is, an entire generation under the influence of self psychology, having
something of the traits and new thinking paradigm of those fewer young people in the counterculture
itself. And all this was to a great extent driven from an elite, or elites, in American society, from intellectuals, especially psychologists, from the major universities, and from avant-garte art, literature and bohemian centers like the Haight-Ashbury district of San Francisco and the Lower East Side bohemian area of New York City. In the Midwest, major watering holes of the counterculture were at the University of Wisconsin in Madison and the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor.
Now there are consequences of all this rebellion against the
patriarchal structure of Christianity and the family.
"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over
them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy
the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3: 12
"But there was none like unto Ahab, which did sell himself to work
wickedness in the sight of the LORD, whom Jezebel his wife stirred
up." I Kings 21: 25
On the other hand, there are several scriptures which say that the man should be the leader of the couple or the family.
"For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head
of the church: and he is the saviour of the body." Ephesians 5: 23
"Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if
any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the
conversation of the wives;" I Peter 3: 1
"Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own
understanding.
6.In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths."
Proverbs 3: 5-6
To try and make women or children equal to the father figure is to rebel against the ways of God, and it is leaning to human understanding.
Christian faith is based upon a belief that God the Father is
sovereign and that his Word is absolute. In order to diminish and
eventually destroy faith, the Christian belief that God the Father is
the absolute patriarchal authority must be done away with. The
patriarchal authority of the husband and father in the family is a
reflection of God's patriarchal authority. But Paul in Ephesians 5:
25 says for husbands to love their wives, as Christ loved his people.
"For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the
same is my brother, and sister, and mother." Matthew 12:50
"Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and
we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto
the Father of spirits, and live?" Hebrews 12:9
The Transformational Marxist Theodore W. Adorno understood all this,
and in his 1950 book, The Authoritarian Personality, Adorno said that
Christianity and the patriarchal family must be done away with,
because both cause the authoritarian personality and fascism. Being a
Marxist, but not a Bolshevik, Adorno, and his buddies in the Frankfurt
School, had a dialectic mind, and used the dialectic to oppose
fascism, while deceptively promoting their form of collectivism and
totalitarian Marxism. But they didn't call it Marxism, especially not
in the United States. They called it "Democracy," and were perhaps
the forerunners of the present day "Democratic" Party.
"Once the earthly family is discovered to be the secret of the
heavenly family, the former must be destroyed (annihilated), in theory
and in practice." Karl Marx, Feuerbach Thesis #4
“The authoritarian family becomes the factory in which the state’s
structure and ideology are molded.” Wilhelm Reich THE MASS PSYCHOLOGY
OF FASCISM
“The conception of the ideal family situation for the child:
uncritical obedience to the father and elders, pressures directed
unilaterally from above to below, inhibition of spontaneity and
emphasis on conformity to externally imposed values.” Theodore. W.
Adorno, The Authoritarian Personality
“Psychoanalysis must treat religion as a neurosis.” Norman O. Brown
LIFE AGAINST DEATH
“God is conceived more directly after a parental image and thus as a
source of support and as a guiding and sometimes punishing
authority.” Theodor W. Adorno The Authoritarian Personality (1950)
The counterculture of the sixties and seventies introduced a kind of
group think to a generation of Americans and a few born before 1945,
and an ideal of group conformity which was not fully known by those
who took part in this new group think at the time. They were more
interested in becoming "liberated" from the patriarchal family and
patriarchal authority of God in Christianity. But remember the Woodstock Festival in 1969 as the experience of group think, and the many Hippie assemblies to hear rock bands with all the pot smoking.
“The real nature of man is the totality of social relations.” Karl
Marx Thesis on Feuerbach # 6
“It is not individualism that fulfills the individual, on the
contrary it destroys him. Society is the necessary framework through
which freedom and individuality are made realities… only in a
socialist society.” Karl Marx
“The individual is emancipated in the social group.” “Freud
commented that only through the solidarity of all the participants
could the sense of guilt be assuaged.” Norman O. Brown LIFE AGAINST
DEATH
“Only within a social context individual man is able to realize
his own potential as a rational being.” Joseph O’Malley Karl Marx
Critique of Hegel's 'Philosophy of Right'
"One of the most fascinating aspects of group therapy is that
everyone is born again, born together in the group." “Few individuals,
as Asch has shown, can maintain their objectivity [belief in parent or
God] in the face of apparent group unanimity; ...” Irvin D. Yalom
Theory and Practice and Group Psychotherapy
“The individual accepts the new system of values and beliefs by
accepting belongingness to the group.” Kurt Lewin in Kenneth Benne
Human Relations in Curriculum Change
Kurt Lewin was the Marxist social psychologist who began the Group
Dynamics movement, which, among other things, taught the importance of
group cohesiveness in changing human values, beliefs, attitudes and
behavior.
"Small groups are the most effective way of closing the back door of
your church." Rick Warren
Rick Warren is not a member of the Frankfurt School or an American
psychologist Transformational Marxist, but is now a leader of the huge
number of false teachers which have led many Christians away from
having the mind of Christ and uniting with him.
Much of American Psychology, especially that which comes out of Freud
or out of behaviorism over-emphasizes and makes all important man's
flesh, and
follows or supports the Transformational Marxist bent which wants to
overthrow God as the Father figure and wants to diminish the family
because the traditional family has been the foundation of
Christianity, and its patriarchal paradigm, "it is written," "two
plus two is always four and cannot be another number," etc.
Psychology exalts the flesh of man, especially man's pride, calling it
self-esteem and self-actualization (Rogers and Maslow), above man
created as a living soul.
Psychoanalysis from Freud stressed the flesh and advocated a revolt
against the Father authority figure. Behaviorism in psychology, from
Wundt, to Watson and to B.F. Skinner with his Skinner box psychology
all pointed toward a reduced man who is nothing but desires, feelings
and conditioning. Wilhelm Wundt did not deal with classical
and operant conditioning as did John B. Watson and B.F. Skinner.
Wundt did early work on sensory psychology, which was another form of
psychological reductionism.
Dean Gotcher has studied several other psychologists and psychiatrists
who have helped to develop the dialectic which first came from Hegel.
Gotcher has lectures on self psychologists A.H. Maslow and Carl
Rogers, and on psychiatrist and group therapist Irvin Yalom,
Erick Fromm, Norman O. Brown and Herbert Marcuse, who is more like a
sociologist than a psychologist.
Benjamin Bloom was an educational psychologist who wrote volumes on
the taxonomies of educational goals. His system has been used in the
certification of all public school and other school teachers for
decades. Bloom was a Transformational Marxist who had great influence
on the American education system - and all this could only happen
because American society is organized in a top-down way, so that the
elites at the top have control over the entire society.
Benjamin Bloom, who wrote the two volume book on the Taxonomy
of Educational Goal Objectives, by which all teachers must be
certified, said "“We recognize the point of view that
truth and knowledge are only relative and that there are no hard and
fast truths which exist for all time and places.” (Benjamin Bloom, et
al., Taxonomy of Educational Objectives, Book 1, Cognitive Domain)
Dean Gotcher found a footnote in Bloom's Taxonomy of Educational
Objectives Book 2, Affective Domain, on the "Weltanschaaung" or world
view Bloom was following. On
page 166 of this volume Bloom acknowledges the influence of Theodore W. Adorno
and Eric Fromm on the psychological theory, philosophy or ideology
contained in his two volumes, Educational Goal taxonomies. Book II
Affective Domain p. 166. Bloom used the German word Weltanschaaung on this
page of his book to refer to the philosophy underlying Bloom's
educational goals.
“1. Cf. Erich Fromm, 1941; T. W. Adorno et al., 1950” Benjamin Bloom,
Book II Affective Domain p. 166. This is Bloom's footnote
acknowledging the influence on his thinking from Erich Fromm and
Theodore W. Adorno. Adorno was an original Frankfurter Marxist who
posed as a personality and social psychologist in writing his 1950
book, The Authoritarian Personality, in which he claimed that the
authoritarian personality and fascism are caused by the family and
Christianity. Erich Fromm was a Transformational Marxist psychologist
and close associate of the Frankfurters.
"In the eyes of the dialectical philosophy, nothing is established for
all time, nothing is absolute or sacred." (Karl Marx)
For Transformational Marxism and the dialectic mind there are no absolute
truths and no absolute morals. Everything is relative and subject to
dialogue within
the dialectic process, with more emphasis on relationships and
feelings than on truth
or morals.
The present II Timothy type Christian community (II Timothy 3: 5, 7-8) does not follow Marx in his
rejection of God, but it does make use of the dialectic procedure in arguments from
Hegel and Marx and refined by several American psychologists.
Dean Gotcher says the Mega Church movement cannot
exist without the dialectic church. That is, Psychologized
Transformational Marxism invaded the American church a number of decades
ago.
The Transformational Marxists, who were lodged in our major
universities after the Frankfurt School got run out of Nazi Germany,
set out on their "long march through the institutions" soon after the
publication of The Authoritarian Personality (1950) by
Marxist-Freudian Theodore W. Adorno, a Frankfurter. We then got the
counterculture, with the drug and hippie movements at its core and
many allied movements that changed an entire generation, the Baby
Boomers. Some of these allied movements were the homosexual,
feminist, lesbian, and self psychology movements. The drug movement
and the Hippies rejected patriarchal Christianity, especially Christian
morality. But the feminist, lesbian and homosexual movements were more
focused on diminishing the patriarchal American family. These
movements, along with
the self psychology of A.H. Maslow and Carl Rogers, which was brought
into the counterculture, helped greatly to "kill" the American
father figure, and
the leadership of the male in the heterosexual relationship.
Back about twenty-five years ago the Christian book publishers were
not interested in manuscripts on a Biblical view of the counterculture and
its rejection of Christianity. There was no Internet back then, and self-publishing
was only in its very beginning. At that time, the counterculture had been
going on since the early to mid sixties, about 20 years. The Christian book
editors and almost all Christian leaders did not realize then that the
counterculture marked a fundamental shift in thinking, from absolute truth and
absolute morality to a reliance upon relationships, feelings, opinion and group consensus rather than
"It is written." The making of what had historically been a small art, literature and music bohemian subculture into a mass movement which changed millions of younger people was somewhat unique. This bohemian subculture, made into a mass movement, exalted sensuality, or man's flesh.
In addition, remember that starting in the seventies there was something called
the "Me Generation," that is, an entire generation under the influence of self psychology, having
something of the traits and new thinking paradigm of those fewer young people in the counterculture
itself. And all this was to a great extent driven from an elite, or elites, in American society, from intellectuals, especially psychologists, from the major universities, and from avant-garte art, literature and bohemian centers like the Haight-Ashbury district of San Francisco and the Lower East Side bohemian area of New York City. In the Midwest, major watering holes of the counterculture were at the University of Wisconsin in Madison and the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor.
Now there are consequences of all this rebellion against the
patriarchal structure of Christianity and the family.
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