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Is The Life of The Soul Eternal ?

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Hello there,

I have just read a post by a brother in Christ, who states that the soul is eternal. Rather than derail the thread in which it was posted I thought it best to start a new thread, in order for this subject to be discussed. For I do not believe that the Scriptures testify that the soul is eternal (ie., immortal): for example in Ezekiel 18:4, God says:- 'Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.'

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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It is interesting the Bible separates the soul from the spirit.

1Thes 5:23; Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you entirely; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Heb 4:12; For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

1Cor 15:45; So also it is written, "The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

( It says "it is written", but I'm not sure where this was written in the OT )

Matt 10:28; "Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Now while the soul may be able to die ( be destroyed ) it seems the spirit is never destroyed.

It seems some souls will be preserved.

Heb 10:39; But we are not of those who shrink back to destruction, but of those who have faith to the preserving of the soul.
Jas 5:20; let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.

If we go back to to 1 Cor 15 for a moment.

1Cor 15:44; it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
1Cor 15:45; So also it is written, "The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
1Cor 15:46; However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual.
1Cor 15:47; The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second man is from heaven.
1Cor 15:48; As is the earthy, so also are those who are earthy; and as is the heavenly, so also are those who are heavenly.
1Cor 15:49; Just as we have borne the image of the earthy, we will also bear the image of the heavenly.

Verse 45 says Adam was a soul, but Jesus was a life-giving spirit. Then it proceeds to say one is natural from the earth, the other is spiritual from heaven.
Verse 44 says if there was ever a natural body, there will also be a spirit. But just because everyone has a spirit, doesn't mean everyone is "alive" in the Spirit ( uppercase S ).
Your spirit is not the Holy Spirit.

We have a couple of annihilationists here on TalkJesus who seem to believe that if you aren't saved, when you die you simply cease to exist.
The Bible doesn't seem to support that.

John 5:28; "Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice,
John 5:29; and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

Acts 24:15; having a hope in God, which these men cherish themselves, that there shall certainly be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.

Even the wicked are resurrected. They will face the judgment. But even then they won't "die". ( as in cease to exist )

Rev 14:9; Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand,
Rev 14:10; he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
Rev 14:11; "And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

Rev 20:10; And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever

Matt 25:46; "These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

Mark 9:43; "If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life crippled, than, having your two hands, to go into hell, into the unquenchable fire
Mark 9:48; where THEIR WORM DOES NOT DIE, AND THE FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED.
 
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Greetings Chris,

for starters, are 'eternal' and 'immortal' the same 'thing'?

Also, i suppose your title,
Is The Life of The Soul Eternal ?
begs the question, what is the 'life of the soul' and can we determine that in a straightforward way from Scripture - ie without too much 'presumption' and some definite Biblical quotes, etc.

Thank you for starting this thread.


Bless you ....><>
 
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1Cor 15:45; So also it is written, "The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

( It says "it is written", but I'm not sure where this was written in the OT )
Greetings Brother,

it is generally considered to be from Genesis 2:7
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Interesting to note that The LORD God breathed into his nostrils and in John 20:22 we read:
And when He (Jesus) had said this, He breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:


Bless you ....><>
 
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It is interesting the Bible separates the soul from the spirit.
Hello @B-A-C,

I believe that it is the union of body and spirit that constitutes a living soul (Gen 2:7):- ' ... And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul....'
B-A-C said:-
1Thes 5:23; Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you entirely;
and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete,
without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Heb 4:12; For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword,
and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow,
and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

1Cor 15:45; So also it is written, "The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
( It says "it is written", but I'm not sure where this was written in the OT )

Matt 10:28; "Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
* You have given 4 verses ( 1Thessalonians 5:23; Hebrews 4:12; 1Corinthians 15:45 and Matthew 10:28 ) for which I thank you:
but I do not believe they necessarily do separate 'spirit' and 'soul' as it appears. I believe a consultation of the context will show that in each case.

* 1 Thessalonians 5:23: -
The ' ... day of the Lord ... ' is the expectation in this chapter (v.2), and the hope that all will be, ' ... alive and remain ... ' (4 Thessalonians 4:17), at the coming of Christ: so that they will not see death, but be raised incorruptible, having been changed in the twinkling of an eye ( 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 ; 1 Corinthians 15:52 ). preserving the body alive by the retention of the the breath of life, (ie., spirit) , thereby remaining a living soul.

* Hebrews 4:12: -
in this verse the word of God is shown to divide soul (ie., the flesh) from spirit, it distinguishes and separates between the two.

* 1 Corinthians 15:45: -
Yes, in Genesis 2:7 the first man Adam, became a living soul when God breathed into His nostrils (ie., body) the breath of life (ie., spirit).

* Matthew 10:28: -
Mankind can destroy the body, but the spirit goes back to God Who gave it , thereby making the uniting of both as a living soul once more a reality in resurrection: but God could destroy both the body, and soul, by casting body and spirit, which constitute a living soul, into the fires of Gehenna in the time of the judgement to come.
B-A-C said:-
Now while the soul may be able to die ( be destroyed ) it seems the spirit is never destroyed
God is called the Father of spirits: and the spirit ( ie., the breath of life ) goes back to God at the death of the body; so that man ceases to be a living soul. However, the spirit is united with the body again at the resurrection from the dead: and man becomes a living soul once more; but those who come into condemnation at the judgment, then experience the second death in which the soul itself (ie. body and spirit) is destroyed .
B-A-C says:-
It seems some souls will be preserved.

Heb 10:39; But we are not of those who shrink back to destruction, but of those who have faith to the preserving of the soul.
Jas 5:20; let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.
In Hebrews 10:39:- there are some who believe to the saving of their soul, but some also that go back to Judaism and to perdition or destruction.
In James 5:20:- he who saves a sinner from the error of his way will indeed save that sinner's soul from death.
If we go back to to 1 Cor 15 for a moment.
1Cor 15:44; it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
1Cor 15:45; So also it is written, "The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
1Cor 15:46; However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual.
1Cor 15:47; The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second man is from heaven.
1Cor 15:48; As is the earthy, so also are those who are earthy; and as is the heavenly, so also are those who are heavenly.
1Cor 15:49; Just as we have borne the image of the earthy, we will also bear the image of the heavenly.

Verse 45 says Adam was a soul, but Jesus was a life-giving spirit. Then it proceeds to say one is natural from the earth, the other is spiritual from heaven.
Verse 44 says if there was ever a natural body, there will also be a spirit. But just because everyone has a spirit, doesn't mean everyone is "alive" in the Spirit ( uppercase S ).
Your spirit is not the Holy Spirit.

We have a couple of annihilationists here on Talk Jesus who seem to believe that if you aren't saved, when you die you simply cease to exist.
The Bible doesn't seem to support that.

John 5:28; "Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice,
John 5:29; and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

Acts 24:15; having a hope in God, which these men cherish themselves, that there shall certainly be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.

Even the wicked are resurrected. They will face the judgment. But even then they won't "die". ( as in cease to exist )

Rev 14:9; Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand,
Rev 14:10; he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
Rev 14:11; "And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

Rev 20:10; And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever

Matt 25:46; "These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

Mark 9:43; "If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life crippled, than, having your two hands, to go into hell, into the unquenchable fire
Mark 9:48; where THEIR WORM DOES NOT DIE, AND THE FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED.
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Those who come into condemnation are destroyed in the lake of fire, which is the second death.
The object of the fire at the end time is destruction, not eternal conscious punishment for mankind. The wages of sin is death. Final and absolute.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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The Hebrew word translated 'soul's is nephesh. Do a word study and see what comes up.

 
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I sometimes encounter Christians talking about people suffering in Hell forever as if
folks down there have eternal life, No, they don't have eternal life; they have
human life; which is a kind of life vastly inferior to eternal life. Human life is
corruptible whereas eternal life isn't.

Jas 1:13 . . God cannot be tempted with evil

Titus 1:2 . . God cannot lie
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Jas 1:13 . . God cannot be tempted with evil

Titus 1:2 . . God cannot lie
Not sure what these verses have to do with eternal damnation.

I sometimes encounter Christians talking about people suffering in Hell forever as if
folks down there have eternal life, No, they don't have eternal life; they have
human life;
We get into semantics pretty quickly eh?

Call it eternal life, call it human life, call it whatever you want.
The fact is, they will feel torment forever and ever.

Rev 20:10; And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Rev 14:9; Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand,
Rev 14:10; he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
Rev 14:11; "And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

Luke 16:23; "In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and *saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom.
Luke 16:24; "And he cried out and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in this flame.'
Luke 16:28; for I have five brothers—in order that he may warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.'

Matt 25:46; "These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

The human/natural body has already faced the first death by this time. Now they face the second death.

Rev 20:14; Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
Rev 21:8; "But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

But you never really die in the second death.
 
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Call it eternal life, call it human life, call it whatever you want.
The fact is, they will feel torment forever and ever.

Rev 20:10; And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Hello B-A-C,

'And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone,
where the beast and the false prophet are,
and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.'
(Rev 20:10)

This refers to the devil, the beast and the false prophet specifically.
B-A-C said:-
'Then another angel, a third one, followed them,
saying with a loud voice,
"If anyone worships the beast and his image,
and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand,
The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God,
which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation;
and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone
in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
nd the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever:
and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image,
and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.'
(Rev 14:9-11)
* This also is specific as to whom it refers, 'anyone who worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or his hand, '
B-A-C said::-
Luke 16:23; "In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and *saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom.
Luke 16:24; "And he cried out and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in this flame.'
Luke 16:28; for I have five brothers—in order that he may warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.'
'There was a certain rich man,
which was clothed in purple and fine linen,
and fared sumptuously every day:
And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus,
which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table:
moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
And it came to pass, that the beggar died,
and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom:
the rich man also died, and was buried;
And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments,
and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me,
and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water,
and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things,
and likewise Lazarus evil things:
but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed:
so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot;
neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father,
that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them,
lest they also come into this place of torment.
Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets,
neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
(Luk 16:19-31)

* Let the Word of God speak in regard to these words of our Lord in Luke 16: and then tell me that He was not using irony, and seeking,by telling this story to show the hypocrisy of Pharisaic doctrine. See for example:- Psalms 146:2-4; Ecclesiastes 9:5; Psalms 104:33; Psalms 104:29-30; Ecclesiastes 12:7; Psalms 6:5; Psalms 31:17; Psalms 115:17; Psalms 30:9; Psalms 88:11;Isaiah 88:18-19. These verses show that this story, told by our Lord, was not teaching, but divine irony.
B-A-C said:-
Matt 25:46; "These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
The human/natural body has already faced the first death by this time. Now they face the second death.
* In this passage of Scripture in Matthew 25, the Lord is judging the nations, and there are those who will be allowed entry into the kingdom, and others who will suffer everlasting punishment. The punishment is everlasting, in that it will have no end, it is a sentence that endures for ever, with no hope of reprieve. Nothing is said about eternal conscious punishment.
B-A-C said:-
Rev 20:14; Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
Rev 21:8; "But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

But you never really die in the second death.
* Where are we told that death does not mean death? In regard to either death of the body, or the second death? In saying this are you not in fact reiterating Satan's lie, 'Thou shalt not surely die'? (Genesis 2:17)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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Complete, I read your The Title OF your "Thread" then Your "Post" #1 and as I move down the replying posts these words came to my mind:

PSALMS 50 BSB
“Hear, O My people, and I will speak,
O Israel, and I will testify against you:

I am God, your God.
I do not rebuke you for your sacrifices,
and your burnt offerings are ever before Me.

I have no need for a bull from your stall
or goats from your pens,

for every beast of the forest is Mine—
the cattle on a thousand hills.

I know every bird in the mountains,
and the creatures of the field are Mine.

If I were hungry, I would not tell you,
for the world is Mine, and the fullness thereof.:pensive:"
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And i did not stop there but kept on reading.,PSALMS 50; LORD have mercy. what are you doing to the soul of "THE REDEEM":pensive: What are you doing to our SOULS. And it runs deep, what kind of GOD is this and how HE shapes and molds the image of our individual Souls.

This can only happen to "The CHILD of THE LIVING GOD". The Scalpeling Hand of GOD..
 
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Complete, I read your The Title OF your "Thread" then Your "Post" #1 and as I move down the replying posts these words came to my mind:

PSALMS 50 BSB
“Hear, O My people, and I will speak,
O Israel, and I will testify against you:

I am God, your God.
I do not rebuke you for your sacrifices,
and your burnt offerings are ever before Me.

I have no need for a bull from your stall
or goats from your pens,

for every beast of the forest is Mine—
the cattle on a thousand hills.

I know every bird in the mountains,
and the creatures of the field are Mine.

If I were hungry, I would not tell you,
for the world is Mine, and the fullness thereof.:pensive:"
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And i did not stop there but kept on reading.,PSALMS 50; LORD have mercy. what are you doing to the soul of "THE REDEEM":pensive: What are you doing to our SOULS. And it runs deep, what kind of GOD is this and how HE shapes and molds the image of our individual Souls.

This can only happen to "The CHILD of THE LIVING GOD". The Scalpeling Hand of GOD..
Hello @PloughBoy.

I am not sure how to understand this. Do you believe me to be in error?

Surely there is no life for the soul apart from resurrection? For at death the body goes back to the dust from whence it came and the spirit (or breath of life) returns to God Who gave it, and man ceases to be a living soul. It will take the power of the resurrection to raise the dead by quickening the body into life again: that they once more become living souls (Genesis 2:7).

The believer is considered by God to 'sleep in Christ' at the death of the body (1 Corinthians 15:18), for he has the promise of life in Christ Jesus, and will pass from death to life at the resurrection of the dead, his life being hid, with Christ in God (Colossians 3:3). He will not come into condemnation.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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The Hebrew word translated 'soul's is nephesh. Do a word study and see what comes up.

Hello @Hekuran,

I have made a study of this in the past, but will do so again to re-acquaint myself with the teaching that immerged in doing so.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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Hello @PloughBoy.

I am not sure how to understand this. Do you believe me to be in error?

Surely there is no life for the soul apart from resurrection? For at death the body goes back to the dust from whence it came and the spirit (or breath of life) returns to God Who gave it, and man ceases to be a living soul. It will take the power of the resurrection to raise the dead by quickening the body into life again: that they once more become living souls (Genesis 2:7).

The believer is considered by God to 'sleep in Christ' at the death of the body (1 Corinthians 15:18), for he has the promise of life in Christ Jesus, and will pass from death to life at the resurrection of the dead, his life being hid, with Christ in God (Colossians 3:3). He will not come into condemnation.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
No, I was in no way in opposition to your Tittle Tread or post #1. nor the replying posts. But like i said; as i read them, these verses came to mind and I printed them and I read the entire "Psalms 50" once again what GOD had revealed to "Asaph". In Psalms 50, Asaph is not speaking or singing how he feels about GOD, But "GOD" Himself is "Declaring" to Asaph about "HIMSELF" and who HE is in "PSALMS 50" and those words are "The WORDS of GOD" that came right out of "GODS" Mouth. [Anthropomorphically" speaking] .... i am]

Now does "Psalms 50" have a relationship to your Title Thread? Yes it does and to the following replied posts as well.:pensive:

"Is The Life of The Soul Eternal ?" which is a question.


Let take some of this , "Hypothetically". "Theologically" and "analytically" "biblically".

"All souls belong to GOD"
When a person dies the soul go's back to the one who place it in The Body of Flesh..
"Absent from The Body present with The LORD"
"everything belongs to GOD"
Is "GOD" Eternal? Yes
IS "GOD"S" Breath Eternal YES, Anything That comes out of GOD is Eternal. "Only Begotten" "BORN of GOD".

(John 1:4)BSB
The Beginning
"Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made. In Him was life, and that life [made flesh come to life] was the light of men. {the GENERATING POWER of Human beings in the flesh that walks the earth]

(GENESIS 2:7)KJV
King James Bible
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and [then] breathed into his nostrils the BREATH of life; and man became a living soul.

[That soul came from "GOD" and when the body dies it go's back to GOD who gave the BODY Life.] [ Now is that Particular SOUL unique, yes.]

Is one drop of The "INDIAN OCEAN" unique by its self, yet it is The "Indian Ocean". For about 10,000 bacterioplankton of the type SAR 11 are found in every drop of sea water. according to "The Department of Ecology, Evolution and Marine Biology.

Now many are Quick to say "GOD is LOVE" but very slow and to say; "GOD is A CONSUMING FIRE"

Now can The unholy stand before "THE HOLY" .>>>>>> Answer: NO Only The HOLY can stand BEFORE THE HOLY.:pensive:

Now think what will happen to a "eternal" soul who have become unique and unholy and then return back from where it "BEGAN" ?


"Absent from The Body Present with The LORD":eyes:

Now read PSALMS 139 real slow. like "Molasses" Flowing on a Cool "Sunday Morning" In Autumn, ok:eyes: nice and easy.

1O LORD, You have searched me
and known me.

2You know when I sit and when I rise;
You understand my thoughts from afar.

3You search out my path and my lying down;
You are aware of all my ways.

4Even before a word is on my tongue,
You know all about it, O LORD.

5You hem me in behind and before;
You have laid Your hand upon me.

6Such knowledge is too wonderful for me,
too lofty for me to attain.

7Where can I go to escape Your Spirit?
Where can I flee from Your presence?


8If I ascend to the heavens, You are there;
if I make my bed in Sheol, You are there.:eyes:.<<<<<<<<<<
if you think "HELL" is over rated, wait to you get back to "GOD" and unholy!

9If I rise on the wings of the dawn,
if I settle by the farthest sea,

10even there Your hand will guide me;
Your right hand will hold me fast.

11If I say, “Surely the darkness will hide me,
and the light become night around me”—

12even the darkness is not dark to You, :eyes:
but the night shines like the day,
for darkness is as light to You.:eyes:

read like a untimely scholar, "THE BOOK" and do not be an accident who made the wrong turn:eyes:

When that unholy soul get back to "GOD' they are going to wish they went to "HELL":eyes:

spend time in the WORD, and do not messing around with those "Bronco Billy" books:eyes: And don't be a Gambler!


I wonderful thought provoking "Thread" "Complete"

It seems the unholy and the Holy. Lazarus and The Rich man are at the same place but there is a "Gulf" between them. For in that place in "GOD" one will be able to recognize the other. This is verified also in other portions of the Bible in poetic and a form of prophecy.

We Have no idea what the full view of "GOD" is . Most people thing like he is form like a human. For it is impossible to even imagine what "GOD" is. God presents His self to us in
"ANTHROPOMORPHIC" Terminology . [ Language]
 
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Greetings Chris,

for starters, are 'eternal' and 'immortal' the same 'thing'?

Also, i suppose your title,
Is The Life of The Soul Eternal ?
begs the question, what is the 'life of the soul' and can we determine that in a straightforward way from Scripture - ie without too much 'presumption' and some definite Biblical quotes, etc.

Thank you for starting this thread.


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'And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground,
and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;
and man became a living soul.'
(Gen 2:7)

Hello @Br. Bear,

Forgive me for not responding earlier,

No, the words 'eternal' and 'immortal' are not the same, I agree. Perhaps I should have asked, 'Is The Soul Immortal?' For that is how I wished the subject heading to be understood.

If we take Genesis 2:7 as our guide in regard to the question you posed, 'What is the life of the soul?' Then man (Adam) became a living soul when God breathed into His nostrils the breath of life: and we know from Ecclesiastes 12:7 that the spirit (ie.., the breath of life) goes back to God at death, and therefore man must then cease to be a living soul.

'The Spirit of God hath made me,
and the breath of the Almighty
hath given me life.'
(Job 33:4)

'Remember, I beseech Thee,
that Thou hast made me as the clay;
and wilt Thou bring me into dust again?
(Job 10:9)

Thank you.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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This refers to the devil, the beast and the false prophet specifically.
Even so, they will face eternal torment.

* This also is specific as to whom it refers, 'anyone who worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or his hand, '
Now the list of people qualify expands, these also will face eternal torment.

* In this passage of Scripture in Matthew 25, the Lord is judging the nations, and there are those who will be allowed entry into the kingdom, and others who will suffer everlasting punishment. The punishment is everlasting, in that it will have no end, it is a sentence that endures for ever, with no hope of reprieve. Nothing is said about eternal conscious punishment.
Nothing is said about unconscious punishment either. In fact it won't be much of a punishment if people are unaware of it. They will be conscious and aware.

* Where are we told that death does not mean death? In regard to either death of the body, or the second death? In saying this are you not in fact reiterating Satan's lie, 'Thou shalt not surely die'? (Genesis 2:17)
In all the verse that say people will face eternal torment, eternal punishment. It says they face the second death, but yet the torment is eternal.
Everyone dies. Even Jesus died. Everyone is resurrected again. Everyone, even the wicked.
Some of the resurrected will enter into Glory. Some of the resurrected will face the second death. Now keep in mind these people are in hades until they get thrown into the Lake of Fire.

Rev 20:15; And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Rev 3:5; 'He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.
 
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In all the verse that say people will face eternal torment, eternal punishment. It says they face the second death, but yet the torment is eternal.
Everyone dies. Even Jesus died. Everyone is resurrected again. Everyone, even the wicked.
Some of the resurrected will enter into Glory. Some of the resurrected will face the second death. Now keep in mind these people are in hades until they get thrown into the Lake of Fire.

Rev 20:15; And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Rev 3:5; 'He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.
Hello @B-A-C,

Yes, there will be punishment, and torment, I agree, at the end of the age during that time of judgment. It will take place upon the earth. It is described in Revelation 16:1-11, as taking the form of grievous sores, water turned to blood, scorching with great heat from the sun. Followed by darkness and great pain. These are described as plagues. Yet those so afflicted blaspheme the name of God, and do not repent of their deeds. These plagues take place prior to the battle of Armageddon, which takes place as part of the pouring out of the sixth vial, by the sixth angel, following the drying up of the river Euphrates.(Revelation 16:12-16), Revelation 17-21 reveal a mighty earthquake, and another plague of great hail (v.21).

Those so afflicted are those who worship the beast and bare his image: those who have shed the blood of the saints and prophets; and those who come under the mantle of the kingdom of the beast. These plagues can be compared with the plagues of Egypt, which were also literal, but will be infinitely worse (Exodus 34:10)

These are warned of what would come upon them in, (Revelation 14:9-11).

' And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice,
If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God,
which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation;
and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone
in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever:
and they have no rest day nor night,
who worship the beast and his image,
and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.'
(Rev 14:9-11)

The Greek word, translated, 'for ever and ever', is 'aion', meaning an 'age', which is an indeterminate period, it's duration being known only to God Himself.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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Greetings Chris,

'And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground,
and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;
and man became a living soul.'
(Gen 2:7)

Hello @Br. Bear,

Forgive me for not responding earlier,

No, the words 'eternal' and 'immortal' are not the same, I agree. Perhaps I should have asked, 'Is The Soul Immortal?' For that is how I wished the subject heading to be understood.

If we take Genesis 2:7 as our guide in regard to the question you posed, 'What is the life of the soul?' Then man (Adam) became a living soul when God breathed into His nostrils the breath of life: and we know from Ecclesiastes 12:7 that the spirit (ie.., the breath of life) goes back to God at death, and therefore man must then cease to be a living soul.

'The Spirit of God hath made me,
and the breath of the Almighty
hath given me life.'
(Job 33:4)

'Remember, I beseech Thee,
that Thou hast made me as the clay;
and wilt Thou bring me into dust again?
(Job 10:9)

Thank you.
In Christ Jesus
Chris

what then do we do with passages from the Bible such as those B-A-C @B-A-C shared? Somehow they all need to 'fit together' in order for the 'doctrine' to be sound.

Rev 14:9; Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand,
Rev 14:10; he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
Rev 14:11; "And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

Rev 20:10; And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever

Matt 25:46; "These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

Mark 9:43; "If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life crippled, than, having your two hands, to go into hell, into the unquenchable fire
Mark 9:48; where THEIR WORM DOES NOT DIE, AND THE FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED.

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