Is Jesus God?

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It seems this subject comes up at least every 6 months or so.

The answer isn't always a simple yes or no to everyone.

We have modalists, who would.. "sometimes".
We have oneness unitarians who would say ... "never".
We have trinitarians who would say "always".

And even if the answer is yes.... it can be controversial.
He is one of many Gods. (One large cult/church here in the US says we can ALL become Gods)
We have "Jesus only" believers that don't believe the Father or the Holy Spirit are God.

It would seem to be an important subject, not everyone can be right.
Does it matter? To me at least, if you aren't worshiping the right God... you are worshiping a false god.

Why do we think Jesus is God? Why do we believe in a trinity? If you don't know the answers...
why do you believe what you believe? Just because some one else "told you so"?

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In one of the major prophecies about Jesus... He is called "God".. and He is also called "Father".
Does that mean Jesus is the Father? More about that later.

Isa 9:6; For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

Another old testament prophecy about Jesus says...

Isa 7:14; "Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel.

OK, so His name is Immanuel, what does that have to do with anything?

Matt 1:23; "BEHOLD, THE VIRGIN SHALL BE WITH CHILD AND SHALL BEAR A SON, AND THEY SHALL CALL HIS NAME IMMANUEL," which translated means, "GOD WITH US."

Jesus's name actually means... "God with us". It doesn't say "almost God" or "half-God" or even "Gold-like".
It says.. "God with us".

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Some of the more common passages to support Jesus as God are in John 1.

John 1:1; In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2; He was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3; All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

The "Word" was God, but also... He was "with" God? How can you be "with" yourself?
This Word/God created everything, and nothing was created without Him.

John 1:14; And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.
John 1:15; John *testified about Him and cried out, saying, "This was He of whom I said, 'He who comes after me has a higher rank than I, for He existed before me.'"

This Word/God became flesh and dwelt among men. It seems the last time God dwelt among men
from time to time was way back at the beginning of Genesis. John the apostle is talking about John the Baptist here. Now John the Baptist was a cousin to Jesus. ( Luke 1:26; )
John the Baptist was also about 6 months older than Jesus. ( Luke 1:24-27; )

Yet in John 1:15; he says Jesus "existed before me".

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Is Jesus the Son ever called God?

Heb 1:7; And of the angels He says, "WHO MAKES HIS ANGELS WINDS, AND HIS MINISTERS A FLAME OF FIRE."
Heb 1:8; But of the Son He says, "YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.
Heb 1:9; "YOU HAVE LOVED RIGHTEOUSNESS AND HATED LAWLESSNESS; THEREFORE GOD, YOUR GOD, HAS ANOINTED YOU WITH THE OIL OF GLADNESS ABOVE YOUR COMPANIONS."

Is Jesus ever called God out-right in the Bible?

Tit 2:13; looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Christ Jesus,

2 Pet 1:1; Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:

Both Peter and Paul called Jesus "God" (and Savior).

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Mark 10:18; And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone.

Does this statement from Jesus mean He wasn't good? Or does it mean He is God?

Gen 1:1; In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

God created the heavens and the earth. But yet...

John 1:3; All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

Jesus created the heavens and the earth.

Col 1:16; For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.

Jesus created everything. So Jesus must be God.

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So are there two/three or more Gods? Should we worship the Father and the Son?

Exod 20:3; "You shall have no other gods before Me.
Exod 20:4; "You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.
Exod 20:5; "You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me,

The Bible says we only have ONE God. ...and He is the only one we should worship.

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John 8:58; Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am."

Now of courses Abraham was on the earth hundreds of years before Jesus was born as a human.
Even hundreds of years after we hear about Abraham, God tells Moses...

Exod 3:13; Then Moses said to God, "Behold, I am going to the sons of Israel, and I will say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you.' Now they may say to me, 'What is His name?' What shall I say to them?"
Exod 3:14; God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM"; and He said, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.'"

God said He is "I am". Jesus said He was "I am".

Jesus was in heaven before Adam and Eve fell in the garden.

Luke 10:18; And He said to them, "I was watching Satan fall from heaven like lightning.

In Rev 21:6; God says He is the Alpha and the Omega, (the first and the last).
But In Rev 1:8; and Rev 22:13; Jesus says He is the Alpha and the Omega.

When God finally got around the creating man, He said...

Gen 1:26; Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."

Who was the "our" in this verse?

.. to be continued ...
 
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Can God die?

No but men can. Jesus was fully God, but also fully man at the same time.

The spiritual part of men never dies, our souls never really die. We just spend eternity in different places.
However our fleshly/human bodies do die. Even Jesus's did... "for a little while".

When Jesus was resurrected, He was resurrected in the flesh.

Luke 24:39; "See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have."

Even Jesus's fleshly body didn't die. By the way... Jesus isn't dead!!

... to be continued ...
 
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outstanding !!

funny I was just 10 minutes ago I was having a conversation with a good freind and we were talking about the bible says only to worship God and that is why its important to understand why they Wisemen came at Jesus birth was to worship him because he is God.

I have herd a few say Jesus is not God just recently
1 John 2:22
Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son.
 
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Yes, indeed. BAC has pretty much nailed the subject.

Scripture is crystal clear that there is ONE God. Either Jesus IS or IS NOT God. There can be no in-between.

If Jesus is not God, who in the universe cares about the cross and Christianity? Undermining Jesus and the cross is the devils goal every morning he wakes up.
 
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For the "Jesus only" people. I will include these verses.
Is the Father ever called God? Let us start with the new testament.

John 6:27; Do not work for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you, for on Him the Father God, has set His seal.”

John 8:41; You are doing the deeds of your father.” They said to Him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father: God.”
John 8:42; Jesus said to them, If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and have come from God, for I have not even come on My own initiative, but He sent Me

John 8:54; Jesus answered, “If I glorify Myself, My glory is nothing; it is My Father who glorifies Me, of whom you say, ‘He is our God’;

Does Jesus ever out-right say the Father is God?

John 20:17; Jesus *said to her, “Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.

My Father and your Father is... My God and your God.

Can God have a God? Well God is God. As explained earlier Jesus was fully man and fully God. The man part of Him had a God.

Did Paul ever out-right say the Father was God?

Rom 1:7; to all who are beloved of God in Rome, called as saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Cor 1:3; Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Cor 8:6; yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.

Gal 1:1; Paul, an apostle (not sent from men nor through the agency of man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised Him from the dead),

Gal 1:3; Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ,

Eph 1:2; Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Eph 6:23; Peace be to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Php 1:2 ;Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

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outstanding !!

funny I was just 10 minutes ago I was having a conversation with a good freind and we were talking about the bible says only to worship God and that is why its important to understand why they Wisemen came at Jesus birth was to worship him because he is God.

I have herd a few say Jesus is not God just recently
1 John 2:22
Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son.
1John 2:22 has zero to do with Jesus being God. The Christ means "anointed one." That means that someone who denies Jesus' life, death, and resurrection, are against Christ and a damnable heresy. Most Christians don't know that there are damnable and undammable heresies. And I've found over the last 40 years or so that Christians like to do the un-Christ like thing of condemning people who reject the trinity.

Most of you who've accepted the trinity have no clue as to its roots, and even don't know what the doctrine really teaches. In my view, it is one of the most fabricated and contradictory doctrines ever to enter the church.
If people would just take a balanced view of this topic instead of accepting the doctrinal myth of the pagan trinity, maybe they would understand this better. But the typical Christian just believes what they're taught without doing any unbiased research on their own.

Christ = "anointed"
Christ was the Messiah, the Son of God, anointed.

The point of contention should be the trinity doctrine, not the idea about Jesus being God or not.

Jesus said God is greater, I believe him.

There's not one shred of evidence the holy spirit is another PERSON. The holy spirit IS the seven spirits of God...HIS POWER which comes from those 7 spirits...likely angelic beings!

And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

The Protestants have an unfavorable opinion of Catholicism and their doctrine, but for some reason have accepted the contrived false doctrine of Trinity which is a concept historically found in pagan gods. Trinity elevates Jesus to a place he doesn't belong. Making him fully God takes the "son of man' away from being a true human sacrifice.
 
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Can you prove it is a Roman Catholic only doctrine? Unequivocally?

Jesus said God is greater, I believe him.
Most Protestant believe there is a hierarchy within the God-head. ( John 10:29; )

Roman Catholics also believe in the virgin birth of Jesus and the resurrection of Jesus.
Not everything they believe is wrong.
 
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Can you prove it is a Roman Catholic only doctrine? Unequivocally?

Most Protestant believe there is a hierarchy within the God-head. ( John 10:29; )

Roman Catholics also believe in the virgin birth of Jesus and the resurrection of Jesus.
Not everything they believe is wrong.
I'm a former Catholic and have no problems with them or any other sect of Christianity. I still visit my Catholic Church occasionally and I like the traditions of the Church. I especially like the stations of the cross.

Both Catholics and Protestants have heresy. Everyone of us have some heresy in our doctrine. As long as they are not damnable, it usually isn't a big deal. But sometimes heresy is borderline.

I'm surprised you asked my to prove it's a Catholic doctrine and can't determine that on your own. I can tell you what I know, I can give you links, but will you accept them? The Trinity was an argument between the bishops of Rome who were considering two main arguments. One was by Arius, the other by Athanasius. They hashed it out for about 100 years before accepting the Athanasius view of a triad of God(s) at the council of Nicaea.

I know that Protestants don't like to face the facts on this. They have fabricated several other scenarios to overcome the fact that it did originate from Catholicism.

Nearly every site will tell you about the same as this one from the UCG...

The Surprising Origins of the Trinity Doctrine.

Here's a page on the origin of the anti-Christian doctrine of Trinity by Ernest L. Martin...

http://www.askelm.com/doctrine/d120101.PDF

Here's a great page to learn why the Father has no equals...

47 Reasons Why Our Heavenly Father Has No Equals | BiblicalUnitarian.com

Here's another page showing ow Trinitarians are blinded to the truth...

Discourse on Trinitarians Being Blinded to the Truth | Trinity | Names Of God In Judaism

Here's another page on the Trinity delusion...

The Trinity Delusion: 1 John 5:20
 
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The number one commandment of all commandments is this.

Exo 20:2 "I am the LORD your God, who rescued you from the land of Egypt, the place of your slavery.
Exo 20:3 "You must not have any other god but Me.

What is the name of this God?

Exo 3:13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?
Exo 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

Who did Jesus say he was?

John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

John 8:24 That is why I said that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I AM who I claim to be, you will die in your sins."

To be saved a person MUST believe in a very specific God, not just God in general.

If a person does not believe that Jesus Christ, also known as the "I am" to be God, that person will die in their sins!

Rom 10:9 If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

It is not just a good idea to confess Jesus as God, it is a must!
 
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There's not one shred of evidence the holy spirit is another PERSON
Peter called the Holy Spirit God. Is God a person?

Act 5:3 But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land?
Act 5:4 While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? Why is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to man but to God.”
 
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What happened big guy? Did you get backed into a corner so now you are going to resort to the typical trinitarian tactic of condemning people? Why didn't you confront even a word of the links I provided?
Sorry, I don't follow links, or watch videos from this forum.
 
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False information and pure heresy!

There's not one verse to support that foolish statement. I know how good you guys are at twisting God's Word, and then condemning people. I even know what scriptures you guys will always counter with. So what does 'I Am' mean?

Rom 10:9 If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
You really need to get yourself a hermeneutic. Do you even know the word Lord

This is what Vines says about the word Lord in Romans 10:9...

The title 'Lord,' as given to the Savior, in its full significance rests upon the resurrection, Act 2:36; Rom 10:9; 14:9, and is realized only in the Holy Spirit, 1Cr 12:3."

The illustrious Curtis quoted...
Don't blame me, I did not say it!

John 8:24 That is why I said that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I AM who I claim to be, you will die in your sins."
 

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