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Is Christ GOD the FATHER in the flesh?

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They are ONE but they are NOT the same person.

Prove to me in scriptures that they are and I'm gather scriptures that prove they are not the same person!
 
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They are ONE but they are NOT the same person.

Prove to me in scriptures that they are and I'm gather scriptures that prove they are not the same person!
Deuteronomy 6:4 (CJB)
(A:vi, S: v) 4 “Sh’ma, Yisra’el! Adonai Eloheinu, Adonai echad [Hear, Isra’el! Adonai our God, Adonai is one];
The word 'Lord' in this verse means;
The KJV translates Strong's H3068 in the following manner: LORD (6,510x), GOD (4x), JEHOVAH (4x), variant (1x).


Jehovah = "the existing One" the proper name of the one true God
  1. unpronounced except with the vowel pointings of 0136
Strong’s Definitions [?](Strong’s Definitions Legend)
יְהֹוָה Yᵉhôvâh, yeh-ho-vaw'; from H1961; (the) self-Existent or Eternal; Jeho-vah, Jewish national name of God:—Jehovah, the Lord. Compare H3050, H3069.
 
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Interesting question. Unfortunately because of how 1 Timothy 3:16 was written in the KJV many will cleave to that even when you tell them otherwise. Besides 1 Timothy 3:16, John 1:1 and John 10:30 are big offenders in what they will use to justify that. As a matter of fact I was explaining John 1:1 in a post and it got shut down. From now on I will probably just use Isaiah 53:12 and say that My God was not counted with with transgressors.


Isaiah 53:12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

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check these links out; KJV is still the most accurate English translation overall when it comes to the volume of the book though.
1 Timothy 3:16. God was manifest in the flesh. Kindly explain how it shows the Trinity. - Chicago Bible Students
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this link shows a multitude of bible translations of 1 Timothy 3:16 that you can compare to the KJV
1 Timothy 3:16 By common confession, the mystery of godliness is great: He appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was proclaimed among the nations, was believed in throughout the world, was taken up in glory.
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And I already explained it in some of my posts. Some with only scripture
Final Contribution "Contextualized" 14/14
Beginning & End; & Discrediting Trinity
John 1:1 Explanation
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I even ran a social experiment here to see what other scripture that i am not aware of that they will use to justify it here:
Trinity
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Good luck with this post. Besides myself there might have been even others who have tried to explain this to no avail and my heart does go out to them. At the end of the day one probably has to realize that Psalms 96:5 is correctly written.
Psalms 96:5 For all the gods of the nations are idols: but the LORD made the heavens.

You can't even ask them this proverb

Proverbs 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?
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The Heavenly Father is very clear here
Isaiah 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

That is why the Son had to come in his name or at least character name.
Also when the Son was originally formed that started the beginning of Creation because when it comes to the Heavenly Father " I AM"
 
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All praises be to AHAYAH BA HASHAM YASHAYAH WA RAACH

Bendito, the language you posted is called YIDDISH Hebrew! A Jewish Rabbi confessed that's what they speak.
H1961, states that Jehovah is the "JEWISH" national name of GOD.
So if you are Jewish then that's what YOU call him.

We BIBLICAL JEWS call HIM AHAYAH ASHAR AHAYAH as HE told it to Moses:

Exodus 3:13-15
[13]And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?
[14]And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
[15]And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

I am a Blood Born Hebrew, of the Children of Israel! A REAL BIBLICAL JEW!
Not a Jewish person.

Our GOD AHAYAH is giving us back our language we lost in this our captivity.
Now We're learning our Language called PALEO HEBREW.

This is How We say our creedo!

Deuteronomy – 6:4 Hear O Israel The Most High thy Power is One.

"Shami Yasharahla Ahayah Alahayahnawa Ahayah Achaad"

Zephaniah 3:9
[9]For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent.

2 Maccabees 15:29
[29]Then they made a great shout and a noise, praising the Almighty in their own language.

2 Kings 18:28
[28]Then Rabshakeh stood and cried with a loud voice in the Jews' language, and spake, saying, Hear the word of the great king, the king of Assyria:

Nehemiah 13:24
[24]And their children spake half in the speech of Ashdod, and could not speak in the Jews' language, but according to the language of each people.

Will continue soon
 
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All praises be to AHAYAH BA HASHAM YASHAYAH WA RAACH

Bendito, the language you posted is called YIDDISH Hebrew! A Jewish Rabbi confessed that's what they speak.
H1961, states that Jehovah is the "JEWISH" national name of GOD.
So if you are Jewish then that's what YOU call him.

We BIBLICAL JEWS call HIM AHAYAH ASHAR AHAYAH as HE told it to Moses:

Exodus 3:13-15
[13]And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?
[14]And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
[15]And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

I am a Blood Born Hebrew, of the Children of Israel! A REAL BIBLICAL JEW!
Not a Jewish person.

Our GOD AHAYAH is giving us back our language we lost in this our captivity.
Now We're learning our Language called PALEO HEBREW.

This is How We say our creedo!

Deuteronomy – 6:4 Hear O Israel The Most High thy Power is One.

"Shami Yasharahla Ahayah Alahayahnawa Ahayah Achaad"

Zephaniah 3:9
[9]For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent.

2 Maccabees 15:29
[29]Then they made a great shout and a noise, praising the Almighty in their own language.

2 Kings 18:28
[28]Then Rabshakeh stood and cried with a loud voice in the Jews' language, and spake, saying, Hear the word of the great king, the king of Assyria:

Nehemiah 13:24
[24]And their children spake half in the speech of Ashdod, and could not speak in the Jews' language, but according to the language of each people.

Will continue soon
You're funny! Yiddish is a German dialect of Hebrew....You could almost call it slang.
You're right though. Exodus used the name Ehyeh (I AM). So far I'm correct in what I said.

Now you differentiate between Jews and Biblical Jews....What is a jew? And why do you practice predjudice between one Jew and another?
 
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All praises to AHAYAH BA HASHAM YASHAYAH WA RAACH!

We are the Biblical Jews!
Abraham was told by AHAYAH what would happen to us, future prophecy!
Genesis 15:13-14
[13]And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed(Hebrews) shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs (america), and shall serve them(slavery); and they shall afflict them (oppression)four hundred years; (only 400 yrs not forever!)
[14]And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.
"Keep in mind only Hebrews Abraham's seed were brought to this land to serve. NOT AFRICANS, which we are NOT!
Those 400 years end in 2019!
We were brought here in 1619,
you do the math!
Check out H.R.1242
Also Our forefathers served in Egypt for 430 yrs. Not 400!
Exodus 12:40
[40]Now the sojourning of the children of Israel, who dwelt in Egypt, was four hundred and thirty years.

We fulfill all the Curses in Deuteronomy 28. The sign of those curses are upon Us NOT the Jewish people!
They don't fulfill one curse in scripture! Why?
Because they're not the people!

CHRIST also told us in scripture that they would do identity theft!
"Yes they are gentiles"!
Revelation 2:9
[9]I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 3:9
[9]Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

We don't go to the synagogues or called ourselves Jews until the MOST HIGH revealed to US that we are the true Jews because we lost our Identity. But now there's an awakening happening right before your very eyes that GOD is doing! Everything spoken and said against us will be remembered!

Now back to the topic:
 
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All praises to AHAYAH BA HASHAM YASHAYAH WA RAACH!

We are the Biblical Jews!
Abraham was told by AHAYAH what would happen to us, future prophecy!
Genesis 15:13-14
[13]And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed(Hebrews) shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs (america), and shall serve them(slavery); and they shall afflict them (oppression)four hundred years; (only 400 yrs not forever!)
[14]And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.
"Keep in mind only Hebrews Abraham's seed were brought to this land to serve. NOT AFRICANS, which we are NOT!
Those 400 years end in 2019!
We were brought here in 1619,
you do the math!
Check out H.R.1242
Also Our forefathers served in Egypt for 430 yrs. Not 400!
Exodus 12:40
[40]Now the sojourning of the children of Israel, who dwelt in Egypt, was four hundred and thirty years.

We fulfill all the Curses in Deuteronomy 28. The sign of those curses are upon Us NOT the Jewish people!
They don't fulfill one curse in scripture! Why?
Because they're not the people!

CHRIST also told us in scripture that they would do identity theft!
"Yes they are gentiles"!
Revelation 2:9
[9]I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 3:9
[9]Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

We don't go to the synagogues or called ourselves Jews until the MOST HIGH revealed to US that we are the true Jews because we lost our Identity. But now there's an awakening happening right before your very eyes that GOD is doing! Everything spoken and said against us will be remembered!

Now back to the topic:
You said "[13]And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed(Hebrews) shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs (america), and shall serve them(slavery); and they shall afflict them (oppression)four hundred years; (only 400 yrs not forever!)"

whoa whoa WHOA! Are you saying that the Jews of the bible were slaves in America for 400 years? If so I would have proof that you smoke banana peels.

What is a biblical Jew? Seed of Abraham.

Galatians 3:28-29 (CJB)
28 there is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor freeman, neither male nor female; for in union with the Messiah Yeshua, you are all one. 29 Also, if you belong to the Messiah, you are seed of Avraham and heirs according to the promise.

You, my friend, have no right to set yourself up as better than anybody else...or am I misunderstanding here?

Romans 2:28-29 (CJB)
28 For the real Jew is not merely Jewish outwardly: true circumcision is not only external and physical. 29 On the contrary, the real Jew is one inwardly; and true circumcision is of the heart, spiritual not literal; so that his praise comes not from other people but from God.
 
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I LOVE the TRUTH of scripture!
We are who we are!
Our GOD AHAYAH is waking us up to this TRUTH!

Also In those scriptures you give understand that Paul who is a Jew is talking to Jews! Not gentiles!
Gentiles never became jews in scripture and don't become jews by conversion! You are born who you are.
Gentiles stay gentiles!
Acts 15:14
[14]Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.

Gentiles are in our land that
We were kicked out of!
We are the heirs of that promise land and we are about to return!
Because it is a covenant promise!
Jeremiah 30:3
[3]For, lo, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the LORD: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it.
Those 400 years end 2019!

We are still in the times of the gentiles that are in Jerusalem.
Luke 21:24
[24]And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Once again there's no conversion!
To the Jew first then the gentiles
Romans 1:16
[16]For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Romans 2:10
[10]But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
I don't post Topics for debate but for edification, to teach and to be taught.
But I am aware of the LIES and Deception that people teach!
And only scripture will bring truth!
 
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All praises to AHAYAH BA HASHAM YASHAYAH WA RAACH!

Is CHRIST GOD the FATHER in the flesh according to scripture?

I find it interesting that THE MOST HIGH never said in scripture that HE would become two different beings apart from HIMSELF!

Yes HE created Two beings HE took from himself that are with HIM.
And they testify of them being created by AHAYAH GOD but who is listening?

Just as HE took woman from man.
Adams rib, and made woman
Genesis 2:22-23
[22]And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
[23]And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

They Three make a Family!
Family was GOD'S IDEA!
AHAYAH GOD THE FATHER
YASHAYAH CHRIST GOD THE SON
WA RAACH GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT (fem) The COMFORTER!

We are made in that image!
DAD, MOM, children!

We take after that family image:
Genesis 1:26
[26]And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Key words are US and OUR!
The FATHER Disciplines
The Mother comforts you
The Son follows the Father!

1 John 5:7
[7]For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

One Meaning together not one person!
John 17:21-23,26
[21]That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
[22]And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
[23]I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
[26]And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

Will be back soon:
 
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Please read John 17:22 again! Referring to ONE.
[22]And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
"That they may be one"
Question? Are you your child or is your child you?
Or are you together as a Family, as
One!
 
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To add to what you are saying; Proverbs 8 does say or imply that the Holy Spirit was possessed by The Father before the beginning. It is no coincidence that the gender roles of a Male or Husband match up to the Heavenly Father; And the gender roles of the Holy Spirit match up to that of a Sister or Mother. Wisdom being justified of her children and whatnot.

Lastly it is no coincidence that when God said let us make man in our image, after our likeness that male and female created he them.
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Pro 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
Pro 8:23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
Pro 8:24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
Pro 8:25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:
Pro 8:26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
Pro 8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
Pro 8:28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
Pro 8:29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:
Pro 8:30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;
Pro 8:31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.
Pro 8:32 Now therefore hearken unto me, O ye children: for blessed are they that keep my ways.
Pro 8:33 Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not.
Pro 8:34 Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors.
Pro 8:35 For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the LORD.
Pro 8:36 But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.
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This conversation might be too advanced for these forums though so I don't see myself adding further to it. There are quite a few scriptures for those in doubt and willing to look though.
Still thinking about ways to emphasize Mark 12:29 , Jude 1:4, while getting people to confess 1Jn 4:3

FYI: Have you ever considered that Ahayah beside meaning I AM seems to be able to be broken down into Father of Existence?
Hayah meaning to Exist H1961
Awb meaning Father H1

I learned that from someone who also happens to use the name Ahayah as well.
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Those were some of the scriptures I was about to post, so thanx for that. Lol.
I would agree with I exist. Meaning I Be.

There is only ONE MOST HIGH GOD!
2 Samuel 22:14
[14]The LORD thundered from heaven, and the most High uttered his voice.

GOD NEVER leaves HIS THRONE!
HE sends HIS SON CHRIST and the HOLY SPIRIT WA RAACH!

THIS SCRIPTURE SHOWS
ALL THREE ARE PRESENT!
Matthew 3:16-17
[16]And Jesus(YASHAYAH GOD THE SON), when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God(WA RAACH GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT) descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
[17]And lo a voice from heaven(AHAYAH), saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.


Isaiah 45:5-7
[5]I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
[6]That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
[7]I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

AHAYAH THE MOST HIGH GOD
CALLS CHRIST GOD also!
Scripture shows CHRIST is
GOD the son!
Hebrews 1:9
[9]Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
 
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Is Christ GOD the FATHER in the flesh?
No, but the Son of Man was incarnated in the image of God the Father and God the Son. Jesus being the Christ means He is God because any one that denies the Son as the Christ, denies the Father also.

When God the Son made the request for the creation of man, it was addressed to God the Father as in "Let US make man in OUR image". So when the Three Witnesses in Heaven agreed to make man in the image of God, God as the Triune God created man in His image by the Son as nothing was made except by Him in agreement with the Triune God.

This is why God requires man to have two witnesses for a testimony to be true ( John 8:17 KJV ) and why the O.T. & the N.T. still requires out of the mouths of two or three witnesses, can a word or a testimony be established, and especially to judge any one for an evil deed. That is why & how the Triune God can establish a word in creation as well as be able to judge any one on the earth or in heaven without being hypocritical in asking man to do it..
 
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They are ONE but they are NOT the same person.

Prove to me in scriptures that they are and I'm gather scriptures that prove they are not the same person!
John 1:1 (CJB)

1 In the beginning was the Word (Jesus),
and the Word was with God,

and the Word was God.

The word was/ is God. They are definitely one and the same.
 
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John 1:1 (CJB)

1 In the beginning was the Word (Jesus),
and the Word was with God,

and the Word was God.

The word was/ is God. They are definitely one and the same.
nope
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
&
Joh 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

no one in the same with the father but
Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
 
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nope
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
&
Joh 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

no one in the same with the father but
Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
You negate the written word for your convenience?
 
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