If you’re a Christian and you support the modern geopolitical state of Israel, you deny that Christ is the Messiah. It's that simple.

[Dave M]

The Body of Christ is Israel — the true people of God, born not of bloodlines, but of the Spirit.

Yes I have been saying this for years, a spiritual Isreal, that is the only way when Paul says all Isreal will be saved makes any sense

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Yes I have been saying this for years, a spiritual Isreal, that is the only way when Paul says all Isreal will be saved makes any sense

It’s all just… so, so sad.

If a Christian from the 1700s were to step into our time,
they wouldn’t even recognize the Church.
They’d think they’d stumbled into some bizarre apocalyptic nightmare —
a faith unrecognizable from what the Apostles taught,
where the cross has been replaced by a political flag,
and the Gospel has been warped into a campaign for a foreign regime.

Because here’s what few modern Christians understand:

Before the Scofield Bible poisoned the Church in the early 1900s,
believers had no confusion about who Israel was.

For nearly 1,800 years — from the early Church through the Reformation —
the message was consistent and clear:
The Church is the true Israel —
the spiritual heirs of Abraham,
the covenant people of God,
not by race, not by land, but by faith in Jesus Christ.

Christians before the 1800s knew this.
They understood that the promises to Israel were fulfilled in Christ —
not in a strip of land, not in the return of the Temple,
and not in a Christ-rejecting political state.

But today…
millions of believers are cheering for a secular regime that mocks their Messiah —
and calling it “faithfulness.”

That’s not just confusion.
It’s a theological tragedy.
And it never would have happened
if the Church had kept its eyes on Jesus —
instead of Scofield’s footnotes.

Understand this well:

When a misled Christian says, “I support Israel!”
They think they’re honoring God…
But in reality, they’re denying the cross.

They’re openly denying that Jesus Christ is the Messiah —
And the saddest part?
They don’t even know it.

They’re denying that Jesus is the fulfillment of the promise.
They’re denying that in Him, every prophecy finds its “Yes and Amen.”
They’re denying that the Kingdom of God is not of this world.

They’re not standing with God.
They’re standing with a regime that crucified the Son —
And still rejects Him to this day.

A regime that teaches Jesus is boiling in excrement in Hell (Sanhedrin 43a).
A nation that mocks His resurrection.
That plans to rebuild a Temple —
As if the veil He tore wasn’t enough.

They say they “support Israel”…
But not the Israel of God.
Not the Body of Christ.
Not the spiritual nation born from above.

They are so misled, so blind and so deceived…
They don’t even know that they are Israel.

Instead, they support a Christless state —
A militarized regime draped in ancient names and modern blasphemy.

And they do it with crosses around their necks,
Scofield Bibles in their hands,
And sanctuaries flying the flag of a people
who don’t even believe in the One they call Lord.

It’s not just sad.
It’s soul-shattering.

They chant, “God will bless those who bless Israel!”
But they forgot the fine print:

“If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed.” – Galatians 3:29

So when they bless the enemies of the Gospel…
When they send money to those who reject the Son…
When they prop up a land that tramples the blood of the Lamb…

They are not blessing Israel.
They are blessing apostasy.

They’re not being faithful.
They’re being fooled.

Because if Israel is still defined by blood and dirt,
Then Christ is not enough.
And that…
is the ultimate denial.

So when you hear a devout Christian shout, “I support Israel!”
Just know: they have no idea what they’re really saying.
At least… we can hope they don’t.

They’re not proclaiming faith.
They’re proclaiming unbelief.
Loudly. Proudly. Weekly.

They’ve traded the Gospel of Christ
For a Scofield fairy tale…
And they don’t even know it.

 

[Garee]

You agreed that the seed is Christ — great. That’s what Galatians 3:16 says.

But then you drifted right back into Scofield-speak, talking about “outward Jews,” “temporal things,” and “representing” Abraham — all while sidestepping Paul’s plain point: only those in Christ are heirs. Period.

Your response almost sounds like a riddle from a Gnostic fortune cookie. But the Gospel isn’t vague. It’s not some mystical puzzle.

Paul didn’t say, “the seed is an invisible spiritual pattern that can represent various stages of collective awakening.”
He said: “The seed is Christ.”

And he didn’t say, “If you’re ethnically Jewish, or spiritually poetic, or loyal to Hebrew concepts, you might be in.”
He said: “If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed.” (Galatians 3:29)

That’s it. That’s the Gospel.
Doesn’t matter if you’re Jew or Gentile — you’re not in without Christ.
Period. The End.

Hi thanks for the reply

I agree with your last offering. . . you’re not in without Christ.

Not sure what Scofield-speak, means?

In the parable the seed Christ refers to the husband. Not the Son of man, Jesus

The seed is an invisible spiritual pattern called the gospel.

The born again seed it is first introduced with the second born Able the apostle and first martyr. Cain murdered Abel by the father of lies through his false prophecy false prophet Cain as murderer from that very begining .

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

God as Christ in order to pass on the doctrine that a man must be born again from above relaced Abel the second born with another second born Enos.it was not until Enos that men could cry out as born again.

The spiritual seed second birth Christ was passed on until the birth of Jesus the Son of man. The first born again of Christ the Father, of many sons of God. . . . .Christians

Genisis 4:25;And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew. And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord.

Onan seeing no value in the unseen eternal things of Christ (Born again) spilled the seed. Christ . . not seeds fleshly many dying mankind

Esau a first born also seeing no value in the born-again doctrine sold his birth rite for a cup of hairy goat stew.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

These Dispensationalist evangelicals are so thoroughly brainwashed, they don’t even realize that they, are Israel.

Not modern geography.
Not a secular government.
Not a group of Eastern European converts backed by U.N. paperwork and Rothschild money. (False Israel™)

The Body of Christ is Israel.
The true sons of Abraham are those who are in Christ — not those with a passport from Tel Aviv.

Scripture says it plainly:

“And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
— Galatians 3:29

“He is not a Jew, which is one outwardly… but he is a Jew, which is one inwardly… in the spirit.”
— Romans 2:28–29

“They which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.”
— Galatians 3:7

So no — Israel is not a modern political state founded in 1948 by atheists and international bankers.
And it’s certainly not a collection of Eastern European identity thieves whose bloodline traces back to Khazar converts, not to Abraham.

The Church is the Israel of God — the remnant, the elect, the Bride.

If you’re in Christ… you are Israel.

If you reject Christ… you are cut off from the covenant — no matter what blood runs in your veins. Romans 9:6–8 (KJV), Romans 11:19–22 (KJV), Galatians 3:7 (KJV), Galatians 3:29 (KJV), Philippians 3:3 (KJV), Ephesians 2:12–13 (KJV), Galatians 6:15–16 (KJV)

 

[Jesua888]

Lot to digest here, and to ask Sister.
What would a "True Jesus Christ Group of real Christians" in your eyes look like?
Like the Body of Christ, they are located in different places/countries if you will, and as varied in how they see what this topic of this thread should be treated and how they communicate, dare I say their displeasure. Some are a bit more forceful in how they express themselves, and I'm not excusing them. Especially since your question was not even posed to them who answered you!

The best you can do is to communicate back to them in a way that opens communication and does not close it, as they have done. If it were up to me some of them could use a good paddling with what we used to call a board of education. Not that I think they'd change much but hopefully they would think twice before talking as they do to another Brother or Sister in Christ Jesus.

Some do try, but have short fuses, and respond accordingly. I usually suggest those types to read the Love Chapter in 1 Corinthians 13
It can put a lot of things in perspective.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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Thank you Nick, for understanding and taking the trouble to see where I am coming from. Just to clarify, my comment about looking for a "True Jesus Christ Group of Real Christians" is about Truth, and you covered that perfectly : ) Linda

 

[Jesua888]

Brad, your joy in condemning others is so obvious that nothing more really needs to be said. But just what "road" is it that you think you are heading down "to be a judge"? (And have you bought your cardinal red robes yet?)


Oh the folly that you think you would ever be qualified to be this "judge".

Yes, I am lazy. That's why I decided to learn Koine Greek so I could read the New Testament in its original language. Because I'm lazy. And that's why I've done extensive study into church history, because I'm lazy. And why I've taken college courses on the Roman Empire at Moravian Seminary, because I'm lazy. And that's why I hold a patent on office equipment (and a personal individual patent, not some corporate owned monstrosity) because that's what lazy people do. As to my walk with Christ, I would not deign to even discuss it with you.

So quick you are to quote 1 Cor. 6:12 and yet so blind to stumble over (or disregard) chapter 4:

But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self. For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord.​

- 1 Corinthians 4:3-4 KJV

So to the extent of this exchange, it is less than a very small thing that I should be judged of you, and you should deal with your own log.

Ex Cathedra,
Rhema

I'm saddened by the self-righteousness, intolerance of others, and plain rudeness of people on this site (calling people trolls, ignorant etc ... I could retaliate, and have decided not to, because this is a site of JESUS, and he said "forgive them Father as they know not what they do" comes to mind. I am surprised that this rudeness is acceptable though : (

 

[Jesua888]

I'm saddened by the self-righteousness, intolerance of others, and plain rudeness of people on this site (calling people trolls, ignorant etc ... I could retaliate, and have decided not to, because this is a site of JESUS, and he said "forgive them Father as they know not what they do" comes to mind. I am surprised that this rudeness is acceptable though : (

Dear Rhema, to clear up any misunderstanding, my comment is a general one, where I have found many "Christians" on this site, being demeaning, rude, and intolerant with their "discussions". When I read through the comments, I am appalled, sorry ... this is my opinion, and if the perpetrators who are treating each other meanly ("use your brain" and worse) is me being too sensitive, then this is not the Jesus Group that I would be proud to be part of. Thanks Linda

 

[Garee]

I'm saddened by the self-righteousness, intolerance of others, and plain rudeness of people on this site (calling people trolls, ignorant etc ... I could retaliate, and have decided not to, because this is a site of JESUS, and he said "forgive them Father as they know not what they do" comes to mind. I am surprised that this rudeness is acceptable though : (

I would think the forgive them as they know not what they do.

The forgiveness must come through the gospel God does not forgive men just because they do not know what to do .

The violent or those moved by the faith of Christ take it by force.

Matthew 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

To the Scofield lurkers reading through this...

Today’s sermon is titled: “Oops, You Funded the Synagogue of Satan.”

You say you love Jesus — but you fund those who spit on His name.

You wave the flag of a Christ-rejecting war state and call it "holy".
You send missiles, not missionaries.
You exalt bloodlines, not the Blood.
You worship a nation that rejected the Messiah, killed His prophets, stoned His apostles, and still denies Him to this day — and you dare say you’re doing God’s will?

You’ve traded the Cross for a contract.
The Gospel for a government.
The Kingdom of Heaven for a Rothschild war machine.

You are not following Christ.
You are following Mammon. Rome. Azazel. Scofield.

You’ve become the children of the golden calf — saying “Lord, Lord” while dancing at the foot of Sinai with bloody hands and blindfolded eyes. You send bombs in His name and fund synagogues that curse Him in Hebrew — and you smile while doing it.

Show me where Jesus told you to bless unbelief.
Where He told you to bankroll blasphemy.
Where He said His Kingdom would come through tanks, treaties, or trillion-dollar death deals.

You won’t find it.

He said, “Preach the Gospel.”
He said, “Make disciples.”
He said, “Come out of her, My people, lest you share in her sins.”

The “synagogue of Satan” isn’t some future mystery, 'yet to be revealed'.
They’ve already revealed themselves — and you threw your money at them.

They burn the New Testament in the streets.
They mock the name of Jesus publicly.
They scream for Barabbas — still — and you fund them.

You’ve been bewitched — so deeply entangled in propaganda and bloodline idolatry that you don’t even know who or what Israel means.

You’re marching wide-eyed down the broad road that leads to destruction, waving a flag Jesus never handed you, funding a kingdom He never blessed.

He overturned the tables once.
What comes next will shake the nations.

Keep walking this road, and don’t expect to hear “Well done.”
You’re on track to hear:
“Depart from Me, I never knew you — you workers of iniquity.”

Because the real Israel?

It’s not a flag.
It’s not a border.
It’s not an ethnicity.

It’s the Body of Christ.
It’s the Bride.
It’s the remnant who know their King.

The real Israel is the Body of Christ — the Church, the Bride, the Remnant.

And the Lord is not going to share His Bride with a harlot nation that denies His name.

This is a call to repent — before He returns with fire in His eyes and a sword in His mouth.
Because His patience has been long…
…but the Lamb is not silent forever.

 

[Jesua888]

Beautiful, Thank You

I have watched the first series of "The Chosen" ... this clears up so much about "Israel" and the "Pharisees" ... So worth watching!

 

[Jesua888]

I would think the forgive them as they know not what they do.

The forgiveness must come through the gospel God does not forgive men just because they do not know what to do .

The violent or those moved by the faith of Christ take it by force.

Matthew 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

I don't really understand Matthew 11:12?