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If we were living right now in the Breaking of the 2nd. Seal in Revelation, the world would not know it, and some christians wouldn’t either.

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Here is a example:
(Revelation 6)
"3And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see. 4And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat there on to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword."

Because if "Jesus" has opened the 2nd seal to "take peace from the earth", the world most likely will be praying to God for peace and the christians would be praying to a God that has taken it away. Not knowing He is on a mission to destroy.

Now if the world knows it is GOD, would they not repent, because destruction is imminent.
 
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Here is a example:
(Revelation 6)
"3And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see. 4And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat there on to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword."

Because if "Jesus" has opened the 2nd seal to "take peace from the earth", the world most likely will be praying to God for peace and the christians would be praying to a God that has taken it away. Not knowing He is on a mission to destroy.

Now if the world knows it is GOD, would they not repent, because destruction is imminent.

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In MATTHEW 24:1-28 For the shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no nor ever shall be.
It will be the worst time in history.
The angel Michael will protect the Jews.
The faithful people will be delivered.
Some with robes made white in the blood of the Lamb.
The greatest tribulation is known in the history of the world.
It will be ended before the entire population is killed.
the seven seals, seven trumpets, seven woes, and the seven lampstand
Revelation 5:5 (NKJV) But one of the elders said to me, "Do not weep. Behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has prevailed to open the scroll and to loose its seven seals."

we are not there yet the 2nd seal to "take peace from the earth"


Matthew 24:7-8 (NKJV) For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.
And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places.

All these are the beginning of sorrows.

where are we? For nation have not risen against nation
 
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"Set your mind on the things above, not on the things that are on earth." I believe that is a "command" by GOD. (Colossians 3).

1Therefore, since you have been raised with Christ, strive for the things above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God. 2Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things.3For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God.…

Matthew 16:23
But Jesus turned and said to Peter, "Get behind Me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to Me. For you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men."

Philippians 3:19
Their end is destruction, their god is their belly, and their glory is in their shame. Their minds are set on earthly things.

Philippians 3:20
But our citizenship is in heaven, and we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ,

A "Nominal Christian" cannot obey these comands because they do not have the ability to do so. You see they think they are true "sons of God". So they think that true "Christians are like them". For God has sent them strong delusions to believe the lie.
 
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"Set your mind on the things above, not on the things that are on earth." I believe that is a "command" by GOD. (Colossians 3).

1Therefore, since you have been raised with Christ, strive for the things above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God. 2Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things.3For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God.…

Matthew 16:23
But Jesus turned and said to Peter, "Get behind Me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to Me. For you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men."

Philippians 3:19
Their end is destruction, their god is their belly, and their glory is in their shame. Their minds are set on earthly things.

Philippians 3:20
But our citizenship is in heaven, and we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ,

A "Nominal Christian" cannot obey the common because they do not have the ability to do so. You see they think they are true "sons of God". So they think that true "Christians are like them". For God has sent them strong delusions to believe the lie.

so do you obey all of His commandments? and are you true!
 
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Did not Jesus warn them about the falling of The Temple in "70 AD" in Jerusalem. In Matthew's Olivet discourse and was not Flavius Josephus the Historian that also recorded it. Jesus gave them recognizable signs to observed before His judgmnent falling in "70" AD. That others cannot recognize. Because God Has blinded their eyes. So He did Yesterday so will He will do today. He will warn us of the near-est of HIs Comimg, and before such hard events.

The Holy Scriptues are always full of "Biblical Motifs".
(Luke 21).
12“But before all this, they will seize you and persecute you. They will hand you over to synagogues and put you in prison, and you will be brought before kings and governors, and all on account of my name. 13And so you will bear testimony to me. 14But make up your mind not to worry beforehand how you will defend yourselves. 15For I will give you words and wisdom that none of your adversaries will be able to resist or contradict. 16You will be betrayed even by parents, brothers and sisters, relatives and friends, and they will put some of you to death. 17Everyone will hate you because of me. 18But not a hair of your head will perish. 19Stand firm, and you will win life. [eternal life].

So who could tell if "The first Seal' has been broken and the 2nd Seal is about to be broken. The Scroll is not open, only a "SEAL" on the Scroll is broken. on the "SCROLL."
The writings on the back or the front cannot be read until all 7"SEALS" has been broken. in order to open the "Scroll" to be read.

And every "true Child of GOD" knows for a fact "NO one Knows the time or Date of His retrurn" Because they are His "sheep" and He is Their "Shepherd" and They are "The Father's Children" and they can trlk to "HIM" anytime. because they are "Born of God".
 
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so do you obey all of His commandments? and are you true!
Well, at this time, I will take this stand as Paul did:
…3I care very little, however, if I am judged by you or by any human court. In fact, I do not even judge myself. 4 My conscience is clear, but that does not vindicate me. It is the Lord who judges me. 5Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait until the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men’s hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God.…
(1 Cor. 4:4).
 
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Well, at this time, I will take this stand as Paul did:
…3I care very little, however, if I am judged by you or by any human court. In fact, I do not even judge myself. 4 My conscience is clear, but that does not vindicate me. It is the Lord who judges me. 5Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait until the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men’s hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God.…
(1 Cor. 4:4).
do you Judge them?
A "Nominal Christian" cannot obey the common because they do not have the ability to do so. You see they think they are true "sons of God". So they think that true "Christians are like them".
 
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I judge no man, the Word does.

24“No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will hold to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.

No one [has The ability] to serve two masters: why, because "GOD" said so! "Done deal" He will not allow it to be none.
 
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I judge no man, the Word does.

24“No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will hold to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.

No one [has The ability] to serve two masters: why, becaue "GOD" said so! "Done deal" He will not allow it to be none.
did you serve two masters? or the one!
 
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Because if "Jesus" has opened the 2nd seal to "take peace from the earth", the world most likely will be praying to God for peace and the christians would be praying to a God that has taken it away. Not knowing He is on a mission to destroy.

 
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no seal is not open not yet why because has to affect the entire world

Matthew 24:14-15 (NKJV) And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
"Therefore when you see the 'abomination of desolation,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand),

Matthew 24:11 (NKJV) Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many.

Not yet Revelation 6:4 (NKJV) Another horse, fiery red, went out. And it was granted to the one who sat on it to take peace from the earth, and that people should kill one another, and there was given to him a great sword.


because the body of Christ will not be on earth :worried:
 
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Here is a example:
(Revelation 6)
"3And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see. 4And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat there on to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword."

Because if "Jesus" has opened the 2nd seal to "take peace from the earth", the world most likely will be praying to God for peace and the christians would be praying to a God that has taken it away. Not knowing He is on a mission to destroy.

Now if the world knows it is GOD, would they not repent, because destruction is imminent.
The time of the Second Seal breaking has long since passed, the breaking of the Second seal was fully completed somewhere in the 2000s BC with the confusion of tongues at the tower of Babel. This confusion leading to the dividing of all mankind into their own tribes, nations, and kingdoms which inevitably led to wars breaking out between them across the earth, thus taking peace from the earth. The time of seals one through five have already past, we are now in the time of the Sixth seal being broken. As to the world repenting, if we look at the time when sealbroken the opposite was true as they increased instead unto more ungodliness.

For a more in depth study I would recommend reading these.
 
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For more in depth study in the "Holy Scriptures", It might be more profitable to read a "Reliable Bible Translation' of The Original Copied Text". From front to back on a number of times so it is set in your Spirit" that the "Holy Spirit" of God may bring it to your "Remembrance in times of need". Instead of remembering what a mere mortal has told you! I cannot believe you telling someone to go to a man. when Jesus is available, to the True "Child of GOD" who has the Spirit of The Living GOD'residing in them! "You are in for "Theological Ride' if you are still looking for the Truth! This is "TalkJesus" you have a whole lot of "Biblical Scholars" on here!


New International Version (Romans 3:4).
"Not at all! Let God be true, and every human being a liar. As it is written: "So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge."

DiscipleofYHWH said; "the Second seal was fully completed somewhere in the 2000s BC,"

I say; How can you believe that? Unless you do not believe "Jesus the Anointed One" is the "Son of the Living GOD" born of "Mary" wrap in a manger, born in Bethlehem and "announce by "A Heavenly Host of Angels" and Died on a Cross and raise Himself on the 3rd Day from the grave.

Jesus was not born to around 2-4 AD. And given a "Name" Prophesies in "The Book of Isaiah" that was written around "740 AD"And "John" did not write The "Letters" to the "7 Churches located in Asia' until about or 70 AD-90AD. Of The furture events that was to come. We do have historical records of John's Captivity and the Fall of Jerusalem that is authentic.

Now how could the 2nd Seal been "Broken" not open in 2000 BC. ? The Seals are on a "Scroll" a rolled up Papyrus, the writings cannot be unrolled until the seals have been broken so no one knows what is written in the "Scroll" until Jesus opens it. By breaking the 7 seals on it, then He unrolls it and read what is on the Back and front of the Scroll that is Sealed by "7 Seals".

The "Son of GOD" has always been with GOD. But Not always in the form of a man whom GOD prepared a Body for and gave HIM a Name, "That the Name of JESUS every knee will bow" "Immanuel" Jesus's Glorify body never existed until He died and rose from the grave and went to heaven. Jesus had to be in Heaven to break the Seals. Jesus was not born until AD. The Son of GOD has always been with GOD, but not in the form of Jesus.

So in saying all of this< I will not be strong, for many on "TalkJesus" know i can be. I will say this, check the record for yourself, this is the 21 century, "read and study a "very good and Reliable Translation of the Biblical text with good Lexicons and "ISBE" 'Internation Standard Bible Encyclopedia". and a "Unabridged Dictionary" of english words that also has the "etymology". and a book on "Biblical Termimology" and "Vines Dictionary on New Testament words". And I am still being kind. Do you need all this to get saved of course not. But if you are going to be "Truly a Disciple of Jesus Christ" You are going to need more that this, these things are only a beginning! Because you most do something to take on a "mantle of a "Disciple of Jesus Christ" Jesus is the one who reveals who the Father is and not man.

The Lord's Approved Workman (2 Tim. 2).

14Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them in the sight of the Lord, that they strive not about words, to no profit, to the subverting of them that hear. 15Give diligence to present thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, handling aright the word of truth. 16But shun profane babblings: for they will proceed further in ungodliness, 17and their word will eat as doth a gangrene: or whom is Hymenaeus an Philetus; 18men who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already, and overthrow the faith of some. 19Howbeit the firm foundation of God standeth, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his: and, Let every one that nameth the name of the Lord depart from unrighteousness.

Every "true child of God" that can read or hear. do not need a interpreter of the Book of Revelation. The only thing they have to do is Hear exactly how it is written, with no explanation or read it as it is written and not take it apart, just read it and go about their business! Let everybody else do what they want to do with it.

The Title of this Thread is:

"If we were living right now in the Breaking of the 2nd. Seal in Revelation, the world would not know it, and some christians wouldn’t either."

It has nothing to do with :"interpreting "The Letters of The 7 churches of Asia"

But there are many "Threads" on "TalkJesus" that do.

Just, why would a "True Child of God" think that God would write something for you and leave you in the Dark about it?
answer: Plain and simple, "He is not"!

Why would God have a letter written to you, to be read to you and you would not understand it.
answer: "He would not"I

Why Would GOD write a letter to you and tell You to read it and you would not understand.
answer: "He would not"!

So what should you do? You should do what He told you to do! Nothing more, or Nothing less. Did He tell you to teach it? If He didn't tell you to teach it, well "ADAM" who told you to teach it? Didn't i tell you to "read it" or blesseth is the one who Hears the Prophesy.


American King James Version
Blessed is he that reads, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

American Standard Version
Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of the prophecy, and keep the things that are written therein: for the time is at hand.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Blessed is he, that readeth and heareth the words of this prophecy; and keepeth those things which are written in it; for the time is at hand.

So if you do the opposite of that which is written above, what could be the outcome in Light of "Holy Scripture" that has been recorded in History from "Genesis to Revelation?


(Hebrews 1) NIV.
God’s Final Word: His Son

1In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. 3The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. 4So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.
 
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For more in depth study in the "Holy Scriptures", It might be more profitable to read a "Reliable Bible Translation' of The Original Copied Text". From front to back on a number of times so it is set in your Spirit" that the "Holy Spirit" of God may bring it to your "Remembrance in times of need". Instead of remembering what a mere mortal has told you! I cannot believe you telling someone to go to a man. when Jesus is available, to the True "Child of GOD" who has the Spirit of The Living GOD'residing in them! "You are in for "Theological Ride' if you are still looking for the Truth! This is "TalkJesus" you have a whole lot of "Biblical Scholars" on here!


New International Version (Romans 3:4).
"Not at all! Let God be true, and every human being a liar. As it is written: "So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge."

DiscipleofYHWH said; "the Second seal was fully completed somewhere in the 2000s BC,"

I say; How can you believe that? Unless you do not believe "Jesus the Anointed One" is the "Son of the Living GOD" born of "Mary" wrap in a manger, born in Bethlehem and "announce by "A Heavenly Host of Angels" and Died on a Cross and raise Himself on the 3rd Day from the grave.

Jesus was not born to around 2-4 AD. And given a "Name" Prophesies in "The Book of Isaiah" that was written around "740 AD"And "John" did not write The "Letters" to the "7 Churches located in Asia' until about or 70 AD-90AD. Of The furture events that was to come. We do have historical records of John's Captivity and the Fall of Jerusalem that is authentic.

Now how could the 2nd Seal been "Broken" not open in 2000 BC. ? The Seals are on a "Scroll" a rolled up Papyrus, the writings cannot be unrolled until the seals have been broken so no one knows what is written in the "Scroll" until Jesus opens it. By breaking the 7 seals on it, then He unrolls it and read what is on the Back and front of the Scroll that is Sealed by "7 Seals".

The "Son of GOD" has always been with GOD. But Not always in the form of a man whom GOD prepared a Body for and gave HIM a Name, "That the Name of JESUS every knee will bow" "Immanuel" Jesus's Glorify body never existed until He died and rose from the grave and went to heaven. Jesus had to be in Heaven to break the Seals. Jesus was not born until AD. The Son of GOD has always been with GOD, but not in the form of Jesus.

So in saying all of this< I will not be strong, for many on "TalkJesus" know i can be. I will say this, check the record for yourself, this is the 21 century, "read and study a "very good and Reliable Translation of the Biblical text with good Lexicons and "ISBE" 'Internation Standard Bible Encyclopedia". and a "Unabridged Dictionary" of english words that also has the "etymology". and a book on "Biblical Termimology" and "Vines Dictionary on New Testament words". And I am still being kind. Do you need all this to get saved of course not. But if you are going to be "Truly a Disciple of Jesus Christ" You are going to need more that this, these things are only a beginning! Because you most do something to take on a "mantle of a "Disciple of Jesus Christ" Jesus is the one who reveals who the Father is and not man.

The Lord's Approved Workman (2 Tim. 2).

14Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them in the sight of the Lord, that they strive not about words, to no profit, to the subverting of them that hear. 15Give diligence to present thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, handling aright the word of truth. 16But shun profane babblings: for they will proceed further in ungodliness, 17and their word will eat as doth a gangrene: or whom is Hymenaeus an Philetus; 18men who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already, and overthrow the faith of some. 19Howbeit the firm foundation of God standeth, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his: and, Let every one that nameth the name of the Lord depart from unrighteousness.

Every "true child of God" that can read or hear. do not need a interpreter of the Book of Revelation. The only thing they have to do is Hear exactly how it is written, with no explanation or read it as it is written and not take it apart, just read it and go about their business! Let everybody else do what they want to do with it.

The Title of this Thread is:

"If we were living right now in the Breaking of the 2nd. Seal in Revelation, the world would not know it, and some christians wouldn’t either."

It has nothing to do with :"interpreting "The Letters of The 7 churches of Asia"

But there are many "Threads" on "TalkJesus" that do.

Just, why would a "True Child of God" think that God would write something for you and leave you in the Dark about it?
answer: Plain and simple, "He is not"!

Why would God have a letter written to you, to be read to you and you would not understand it.
answer: "He would not"I

Why Would GOD write a letter to you and tell You to read it and you would not understand.
answer: "He would not"!

So what should you do? You should do what He told you to do! Nothing more, or Nothing less. Did He tell you to teach it? If He didn't tell you to teach it, well "ADAM" who told you to teach it? Didn't i tell you to "read it" or blesseth is the one who Hears the Prophesy.


American King James Version
Blessed is he that reads, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

American Standard Version
Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of the prophecy, and keep the things that are written therein: for the time is at hand.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Blessed is he, that readeth and heareth the words of this prophecy; and keepeth those things which are written in it; for the time is at hand.

So if you do the opposite of that which is written above, what could be the outcome in Light of "Holy Scripture" that has been recorded in History from "Genesis to Revelation?


(Hebrews 1) NIV.
God’s Final Word: His Son

1In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. 3The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. 4So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.
Yes there are biblical scholars on here, and I recommended another Biblical Scholar who studied his whole life on end times prophecy.
Now how I can say that is that the opening of the Seals is a telling of History from the beginning of this world to the end of the world. That is a simple fact when we look at the events taking place in Revelation 5, and 6 and comparing them with the rest of Scripture and history. The book that Christ is opening is the book of life out of which all people are judged(Revelation 5:1; Revelation 20:12), the first seal is representative of the first period of Mankind, then it progresses forward through the Seals (Revelation 6:12-17; Revelation 8:1). To quote also from Houteff:

"As to the book sealed with seven seals, the only book that "no man in heaven, nor in earth...was able to open...neither to look thereon," save the Lion of the tribe of Juda, it unquestionably is the book in which the deeds of mankind are chronicled, as the seals themselves disclose.

This fact Inspiration again confirms: "Thus the Jewish leaders made their choice. Their decision was registered in the book which John saw in the hand of Him that sat upon the throne, the book

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which no man could open. In all its vindictiveness this decision will appear before them in the day when this book is unsealed by the Lion of the tribe of Judah." -- Christ's Object Lessons, p. 294.

What the book contains, now becomes exceedingly clear: It contains the history of the world and the deeds of all mankind. And, of course, logic rules that with the opening of the book, the Judicial investigation of the deeds of the professed people of God should begin, as The Revelation itself discloses. Moreover, since both the wording and the symbolism of The Revelation refute any interpretation other than the one herein made, the truth of these things now stands fast and sure.

The sanctuary (the church), the place which harbors the people of God, is therefore the one to be cleansed. Eventually, though, as aforeshown, all mankind, even the heathen must come before the Judgment bar of God, before "the Great White Throne."

Thus, the event was actually to be "hereafter" from John's time, the time in which were to be investigated the things which took place before John's time, and the things which were to take place after his time (Rev. 1:19) -- the deeds of all mankind from the beginning to the end.

Prophetically, the Judgment was set and the books were opened, but no one in the whole vast universe of God was worthy to

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open the sealed book, or even to look therein, save the Lamb -- the Saviour of the world, the King of kings, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, our King and Advocate, Creation's Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End. Thus it is that, as our only Defender, the One Who has lived among us, He is the only one who can through personal experience understandingly and sympathetically lay open the secrets of the past, of the present, and of the future -- the only one worthy to open the book and to defend fallen humanity."

"The consecutive breaking of the seven seals and their individual contents, respectively reveal that the history of mankind is divided into seven different periods.

Now Truth reveals that with the breaking of the first seal -- with the opening of the first section of the book -- the Judgment begins. It is also selfevident that at the Judgment throne of God, in Its three sessions, the Apocalyptic symbolism depicts the nations and peoples, saints and sinners, churches and prelates, Satan and his angels, -- the past, the present, and the future. Thus "all the books of the Bible

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meet and end in the Revelation." -- The Acts Of The Apostles, p. 585."


If you read, Revelation Chapters 5 and 6 illustrate the pre millennial judgment. So the Second seal was the time period that first started in the 2000s BC and ended when the time of the Third seal Started. Everyone who died during the time of the Second seal is brought under review/judgment during Christ's premillennial judgment. The Premillenial Judgment has already Started, but the time of the Sixth seal has not yet been completed so it has not yet been judged/reviewed and it will not be until this period of the Seal is finished and the period of the Seventh Seal begins.

As far as interpretation goes God reveals all things by his Holy Spirit(1 Cor 2:10-16; John 14:26; John 16:13), but the gift of knowledge and the Gift of teachers is also given to instruct the body of the Church(1 Cor 12:8; Eph 4:11-16). So we must first look to the Holy Spirit but we also must look to the teachers that God has given to us that we might better be instructed in his word.

God does not leave us in the Dark he reveals present truth by whatever means he sees fit: Studying in his Holy Spirit, dreams, prophets, teachers, preachers, etc.

God tells us to keep the Sayings of the Prophecy of Revelation, how can we keep them if we do not understand? God reveals all things to us, and he does not speak an idle word but we must live by every word that proceedeth from the mouth of God(Matt 4:4)
 
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Yes there are biblical scholars on here, and I recommended another Biblical Scholar who studied his whole life on end times prophecy.
Now how I can say that is that the opening of the Seals is a telling of History from the beginning of this world to the end of the world. That is a simple fact when we look at the events taking place in Revelation 5, and 6 and comparing them with the rest of Scripture and history. The book that Christ is opening is the book of life out of which all people are judged(Revelation 5:1; Revelation 20:12), the first seal is representative of the first period of Mankind, then it progresses forward through the Seals (Revelation 6:12-17; Revelation 8:1). To quote also from Houteff:

"As to the book sealed with seven seals, the only book that "no man in heaven, nor in earth...was able to open...neither to look thereon," save the Lion of the tribe of Juda, it unquestionably is the book in which the deeds of mankind are chronicled, as the seals themselves disclose.

This fact Inspiration again confirms: "Thus the Jewish leaders made their choice. Their decision was registered in the book which John saw in the hand of Him that sat upon the throne, the book

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which no man could open. In all its vindictiveness this decision will appear before them in the day when this book is unsealed by the Lion of the tribe of Judah." -- Christ's Object Lessons, p. 294.

What the book contains, now becomes exceedingly clear: It contains the history of the world and the deeds of all mankind. And, of course, logic rules that with the opening of the book, the Judicial investigation of the deeds of the professed people of God should begin, as The Revelation itself discloses. Moreover, since both the wording and the symbolism of The Revelation refute any interpretation other than the one herein made, the truth of these things now stands fast and sure.

The sanctuary (the church), the place which harbors the people of God, is therefore the one to be cleansed. Eventually, though, as aforeshown, all mankind, even the heathen must come before the Judgment bar of God, before "the Great White Throne."

Thus, the event was actually to be "hereafter" from John's time, the time in which were to be investigated the things which took place before John's time, and the things which were to take place after his time (Rev. 1:19) -- the deeds of all mankind from the beginning to the end.

Prophetically, the Judgment was set and the books were opened, but no one in the whole vast universe of God was worthy to

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open the sealed book, or even to look therein, save the Lamb -- the Saviour of the world, the King of kings, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, our King and Advocate, Creation's Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End. Thus it is that, as our only Defender, the One Who has lived among us, He is the only one who can through personal experience understandingly and sympathetically lay open the secrets of the past, of the present, and of the future -- the only one worthy to open the book and to defend fallen humanity."

"The consecutive breaking of the seven seals and their individual contents, respectively reveal that the history of mankind is divided into seven different periods.

Now Truth reveals that with the breaking of the first seal -- with the opening of the first section of the book -- the Judgment begins. It is also selfevident that at the Judgment throne of God, in Its three sessions, the Apocalyptic symbolism depicts the nations and peoples, saints and sinners, churches and prelates, Satan and his angels, -- the past, the present, and the future. Thus "all the books of the Bible

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meet and end in the Revelation." -- The Acts Of The Apostles, p. 585."


If you read, Revelation Chapters 5 and 6 illustrate the pre millennial judgment. So the Second seal was the time period that first started in the 2000s BC and ended when the time of the Third seal Started. Everyone who died during the time of the Second seal is brought under review/judgment during Christ's premillennial judgment. The Premillenial Judgment has already Started, but the time of the Sixth seal has not yet been completed so it has not yet been judged/reviewed and it will not be until this period of the Seal is finished and the period of the Seventh Seal begins.

As far as interpretation goes God reveals all things by his Holy Spirit(1 Cor 2:10-16; John 14:26; John 16:13), but the gift of knowledge and the Gift of teachers is also given to instruct the body of the Church(1 Cor 12:8; Eph 4:11-16). So we must first look to the Holy Spirit but we also must look to the teachers that God has given to us that we might better be instructed in his word.

God does not leave us in the Dark he reveals present truth by whatever means he sees fit: Studying in his Holy Spirit, dreams, prophets, teachers, preachers, etc.

God tells us to keep the Sayings of the Prophecy of Revelation, how can we keep them if we do not understand? God reveals all things to us, and he does not speak an idle word but we must live by every word that proceedeth from the mouth of God(Matt 4:4)
Are you just being rude?
Please read the "Title of this Thread" again. And I am asking you kindly. And if you want to go into the discusion concerning Revelation, there are opening rooms for that. For you are trying your best to redirect this Thread. Now i can understand some people can read and some cannot read with "comprehension". and to solve that, you can just say; that you do not understand what i am talking about.

If not I will ask for this Thread to be closed. Then you may open your own Thread concerning the subject and the point you would like to discuss.

Shalom.
 
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Are you just being rude?
Please read the "Title of this Thread" again. And I am asking you kindly. And if you want to go into the discusion concerning Revelation, there are opening rooms for that. For you are trying your best to redirect this Thread. Now i can understand some people can read and some cannot read with "comprehension". and to solve that, you can just say; that you do not understand what i am talking about.

If not I will ask for this Thread to be closed. Then you may open your own Thread concerning the subject and the point you would like to discuss.

Shalom.
I answered your first post in this thread here:
Your post
"Here is a example:
(Revelation 6)
"3And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see. 4And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat there on to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword."

Because if "Jesus" has opened the 2nd seal to "take peace from the earth", the world most likely will be praying to God for peace and the christians would be praying to a God that has taken it away. Not knowing He is on a mission to destroy.

Now if the world knows it is GOD, would they not repent, because destruction is imminent."

My Response
"As to the world repenting, if we look at the time when sealbroken the opposite was true as they increased instead unto more ungodliness."


The rest of what I wrote was clarification on the Seal and how the thread title makes no sense scripturally as the breaking of the seal is just part of God's premillennial judgement the second seal just being the second phase of Mankind's history. As that was the part you addressed from my initial response I responded in kind.
To answer you again in more depth, the world(wicked) would not repent even though they knew it was God as they have already hardened their hearts against him. The only Christians praying for peace would be the False Christians as we are supposed to be praying for his return which only occurs after much suffering and death(great tribulation). The righteous of God are well aware of his mission to destroy the wicked, and the necessity of it.

As you don't seem to want to discuss God's word, I will leave the discussion here.
May God bless and Guide you into all truth
 
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I answered your first post in this thread here:
Your post
"Here is a example:
(Revelation 6)
"3And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see. 4And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat there on to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword."

Because if "Jesus" has opened the 2nd seal to "take peace from the earth", the world most likely will be praying to God for peace and the christians would be praying to a God that has taken it away. Not knowing He is on a mission to destroy.

Now if the world knows it is GOD, would they not repent, because destruction is imminent."

My Response
"As to the world repenting, if we look at the time when sealbroken the opposite was true as they increased instead unto more ungodliness."


The rest of what I wrote was clarification on the Seal and how the thread title makes no sense scripturally as the breaking of the seal is just part of God's premillennial judgement the second seal just being the second phase of Mankind's history. As that was the part you addressed from my initial response I responded in kind.
To answer you again in more depth, the world(wicked) would not repent even though they knew it was God as they have already hardened their hearts against him. The only Christians praying for peace would be the False Christians as we are supposed to be praying for his return which only occurs after much suffering and death(great tribulation). The righteous of God are well aware of his mission to destroy the wicked, and the necessity of it.

As you don't seem to want to discuss God's word, I will leave the discussion here.
May God bless and Guide you into all truth
My Brother: you said,
I" answered your first post in this thread here:
Your post"
"Here is a example:
(Revelation 6)
"3And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see. 4And there went out another horse that was red: and powerwas given to him that sat there on to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword."
Because if "Jesus" has opened the 2nd seal to "take peace from the earth", the world most likely will be praying to God for peace and the christians would be praying to a God that has taken it away. Not knowing He is on a mission to destroy.
Now if the
the world knows it is GOD, would they not repent, because destruction is imminent.



"That is an Example" That is not A Question! A question and an Example are completely two different words and their meaning come no where near each other.
 
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My Brother: you said,
I" answered your first post in this thread here:
Your post"
"Here is a example:
(Revelation 6)
"3And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see. 4And there went out another horse that was red: and powerwas given to him that sat there on to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword."
Because if "Jesus" has opened the 2nd seal to "take peace from the earth", the world most likely will be praying to God for peace and the christians would be praying to a God that has taken it away. Not knowing He is on a mission to destroy.
Now if the
the world knows it is GOD, would they not repent, because destruction is imminent.



"That is an Example" That is not A Question! A question and an Example are completely two different words and their meaning come no where near each other.
The example was:
"Here is a example:
(Revelation 6)
"3And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see. 4And there went out another horse that was red: and powerwas given to him that sat there on to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword."
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"Because if "Jesus" has opened the 2nd seal to "take peace from the earth", the world most likely will be praying to God for peace and the christians would be praying to a God that has taken it away. Not knowing He is on a mission to destroy.

Now if the world knows it is GOD, would they not repent, because destruction is imminent."

That is a question, that you did not end it in a question mark does not change what it is. Outside of that, I still addressed the example and the title of the thread.

God bless
 
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No, the world would not repent or change their ways, The Bible is full of examples, ' They know he was Jesus the heir, Let us kill him and take it for ourselves. Another "Bibical Motif" : "Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven."

They Know it is GOD but they reject HIM.
Revelation 2:21
Even though I have given her time to repent of her immorality, she is unwilling.
Revelation 16:11
and curse the God of heaven for their pains and sores; yet they did not repent of their deeds.

Revelation 16:21
And huge hailstones, about a hundred pounds each, rained down on them from above. And men cursed God for the plague of hail, because it was so horrendous.

Same AS in Noah they still Rejected God. " A Bibical Motif"

"The world would not know it, and some christians wouldn’t either." "Because His approach" will be like a Thief in the night! The world will be enjoying themselves, peace and safety. Eating and drinking and making merry." But wars and storms, earth quakes, Volcanos, Tsunati, deaths of all kinds , have been happening all around them, but they paid no attention, for God has shielded their eyes and their ears from the truth. They where in darkness and they didn't even know it. But there was another group "who saw a great Light" and It Lighten up their path.

The Day of the Lord
…2For you are fully aware that the Day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3While people are saying, “Peace and security,destruction will come upon them suddenly, likelabor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. 4But you, brothers, are not in the darkness so that this day should overtake you like a thief.…

(Luke 12).
45But suppose that servant says in his heart, ‘My master will be a long timein coming, and he begins to beat themenservants and maidservants, and to eat anddrink and get drunk. 46The master of that servant will come on a day he does not expect and at an hour he does not anticipate. Then he will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the unbelievers.…

These are examples of Nonconformity, and there are many more.

The world wants it their way, Then there is those who have "succumb" to the cares of this world and loves its delicacies.

21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified himnot as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
 
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