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If we exhale spirit of anger, hatred, and opposition

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We will inhale it from those with whom we interact. If we inhale God/Jesus' spirit of peace, love, and fellowship from the Bible, we will walk in it's exhalation among humanity and have it returned that we might breathe and live. John 20:22
 
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Hating evil is good. I oppose evil things, that also is good. It is not wrong to be angry, just dont sin in your anger. A blanket statement like yours basically says to include what is evil or good and make it acceptable to yourself and others, sounds very one world religion like to me.
 
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There are us humans and there is the One: God/Jesus, who's more. Things are not evil, humans are. A word that can be used in place of evil is selfish, few humans will own or understand that. If there is anything good it is God/Jesus not human.
 
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There are us humans and there is the One: God/Jesus, who's more. Things are not evil, humans are. A word that can be used in place of evil is selfish, few humans will own or understand that. If there is anything good it is God/Jesus not human.
iHumans are not intrinsically evil...We are born with a nature that leans toward sin....God definitely does not make evil things. Genesis1:31 31 God saw everything that he had made, and indeed it was very good. So there was evening, and there was morning, a sixth day.
 
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iHumans are not intrinsically evil...We are born with a nature that leans toward sin....God definitely does not make evil things. Genesis1:31 31 God saw everything that he had made, and indeed it was very good. So there was evening, and there was morning, a sixth day.
what you quoted was before the fall I think, because then we have scripture saying

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
 
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what you quoted was before the fall I think, because then we have scripture saying

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
I think He creates evil things to battle evil things, because there are not enough warriors for God. He built up certain ruthless rulers and used them to battle other evil ppl, like the first ruler of Babylon, the ruler of the medes that shortly came after the hand writing on the wall, as just the easily documented examples of old. God's anger can be so terrible (although righteous), that He prefers to use those that will get the needed things done without the whole planet suffering (like with the flood). I dont say this as a learned man who knows scriptures back and forth, using them to back up arguments, but as one who gets a lot of inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
 
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what you quoted was before the fall I think, because then we have scripture saying

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
That's an interesting thought Dave....Let me ask you now....Can darkness exist without light? Or is simply a lack of light? Can evil exist without good? Or is it simply a lack of Good?
 
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I think He creates evil things to battle evil things, because there are not enough warriors for God. He built up certain ruthless rulers and used them to battle other evil ppl, like the first ruler of Babylon, the ruler of the medes that shortly came after the hand writing on the wall, as just the easily documented examples of old. God's anger can be so terrible (although righteous), that He prefers to use those that will get the needed things done without the whole planet suffering (like with the flood). I dont say this as a learned man who knows scriptures back and forth, using them to back up arguments, but as one who gets a lot of inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
You can't destroy evil with evil. What would you have if you did?
 
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That's an interesting thought Dave....Let me ask you now....Can darkness exist without light? Or is simply a lack of light? Can evil exist without good? Or is it simply a lack of Good?
Its not my thought it what the word says

it says God created evil, I did not say it the word said it. Just as he created it he will destroy it and evil will not exist one day.
 
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Its not my thought it what the word says

it says God created evil, I did not say it the word said it. Just as he created it he will destroy it and evil will not exist one day.
Are you sure you're not misunderstanding based on translation? I mean....Why would God create evil....Its all in the death cycle...God is life. Why would He make death?
 
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Greetings brothers @Dave M @Bendito @Brad Huber

This snippet of a commentary by the late Albert Barnes might interest you. (19th century theologian)

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Isaiah 45:7

I form the light, and create darkness - Light, in the Bible, is the emblem of knowledge, innocence, pure religion, and of prosperity in general; and darkness is the emblem of the opposite. Light here seems to be the emblem of peace and prosperity, and darkness the emblem of adversity; and the sentiment of the verse is, that all things prosperous and adverse are under the providential control and direction of God. Of light, it is literally true that God made it; and emblematically true that he is the source of knowledge, prosperity, happiness, and pure religion. Of darkness, it is literally true also that the night is formed by him; that he withdraws the light of the sun, and leaves the earth enveloped in gloomy shades. It is emblematically true also that calamity, ignorance, disappointment, and want of success are ordered by him; and not less true that all the moral darkness, or evil, that prevails on earth, is under the direction and ordering of his Providence. There is no reason to think, however, that the words 'darkness' and 'evil' are to be understood as referring to moral darkness; that is, sin.
 
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We will inhale it from those with whom we interact. If we inhale God/Jesus' spirit of peace, love, and fellowship from the Bible, we will walk in it's exhalation among humanity and have it returned that we might breathe and live. John 20:22
@this human

Can you explain more clearly what you are saying here please.

Your scriptural reference does not "fit" with what you have written.

Where in the Bible does it talk about anger and hatred being inhaled?
 
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You can't destroy evil with evil. What would you have if you did?
So you think the ruler of Babylon, the head of Gold, was a good ruler who destroyed the strength of the area around Israel (mostly Assyria), because he was a great force for good?
 
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Greetings brothers @Dave M @Bendito @Brad Huber

This snippet of a commentary by the late Albert Barnes might interest you. (19th century theologian)

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Isaiah 45:7

I form the light, and create darkness - Light, in the Bible, is the emblem of knowledge, innocence, pure religion, and of prosperity in general; and darkness is the emblem of the opposite. Light here seems to be the emblem of peace and prosperity, and darkness the emblem of adversity; and the sentiment of the verse is, that all things prosperous and adverse are under the providential control and direction of God. Of light, it is literally true that God made it; and emblematically true that he is the source of knowledge, prosperity, happiness, and pure religion. Of darkness, it is literally true also that the night is formed by him; that he withdraws the light of the sun, and leaves the earth enveloped in gloomy shades. It is emblematically true also that calamity, ignorance, disappointment, and want of success are ordered by him; and not less true that all the moral darkness, or evil, that prevails on earth, is under the direction and ordering of his Providence. There is no reason to think, however, that the words 'darkness' and 'evil' are to be understood as referring to moral darkness; that is, sin.
This is an interesting commentary.. Keeping in mind that commentaries are only one man's opinion or understanding of the Word. So, he could be right or not...Frustrating isn't it? :grin: We take our belief here, that God creates evil, from only one single verse..... But has any of us done a study of many verses about God, and whether or not He actually does create evil? Perhaps we should?
I looked up the word "create' in the Hebrew...One usage is "to cut out" or "to carve out" Could it be that God is saying that He creates Good and cuts out, removes Evil?
 
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The Bible attributes the origin of human evil to people exercising their free will; when they choose to disobey God’s standards, it brings suffering.

God said “You can eat the fruit of every other tree, but if you eat from this one, you will surely die” (Gen. 2:16-17). The Bible says “the wages of sin is death” (Romans 6:23). We are free to choose, but there will be severe consequences if we choose to disobey. The first man and woman chose that path, and when they did evil, death and suffering kicked in.

Scripture does not distance God from disasters and secondary evils the way his children often do. God makes an unapologetic statement about himself: “I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things” (Isaiah 45:7).

As we see in Jeremiah 11:17 and 32:23, so in Isaiah 45 God brings ra,disastrous consequences, to deal with people’s ra, moral evil. God righteously brings terrible judgment upon human evil.


full article here
 
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So you think the ruler of Babylon, the head of Gold, was a good ruler who destroyed the strength of the area around Israel (mostly Assyria), because he was a great force for good?
I've never thought of Nebuchadnezzar as a good ruler or bad.....All I ever looked at him about was that he screwed up and God taught him a lesson.
 
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@this human

Can you explain more clearly what you are saying here please.

Your scriptural reference does not "fit" with what you have written.

Where in the Bible does it talk about anger and hatred being inhaled?
This Human understands the Holy Spirit to be a breath, a puff of air...because of the word 'spirit' translates as 'pneuma' Pneuma simply means breath....So the Holy Spirit would be "The breath of God" Interesting but inaccurate.
 
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I've never thought of Nebuchadnezzar as a good ruler or bad.....All I ever looked at him about was that he screwed up and God taught him a lesson.
Jer 27 1 In the beginning of the reign of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah, king of Judah, this word came to Jeremiah from the Lord, saying, 2 “Thus says the Lord to me: ‘Make for yourselves bonds and yokes, and put them on your neck, 3 and send them to the king of Edom, the king of Moab, the king of the Ammonites, the king of Tyre, and the king of Sidon, by the hand of the messengers who come to Jerusalem to Zedekiah king of Judah. 4 And command them to say to their masters, “Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel—thus you shall say to your masters: 5 ‘I have made the earth, the man and the beast that are on the ground, by My great power and by My outstretched arm, and have given it to whom it seemed proper to Me. 6 And now I have given all these lands into the hand of Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, My SERVANT; and the beasts of the field I have also given him to serve him. 7 So all nations shall serve him and his son and his son’s son, until the time of his land comes; and then many nations and great kings shall make him serve them. 8 And it shall be, that the nation and kingdom which will not serve Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, and which will not put its neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon, that nation I will punish,’ says the Lord, ‘with the sword, the famine, and the pestilence, until I have consumed them by his hand. 9 Therefore do not listen to your prophets, your diviners, your [c]dreamers, your soothsayers, or your sorcerers, who speak to you, saying, “You shall not serve the king of Babylon.” 10 For they prophesy a lie to you, to remove you far from your land; and I will drive you out, and you will perish.

ALL of Daniel 4 and 5

And throughout mostly the minor prophets, there is stories of retribution against those who opposed Israel and lifted themselves high in their own eyes, and Israel did not do this, other nations were used to do it.
 

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