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If we all have sinned/fallen short of God's glory and if Jesus died for the sins of humanity...

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we all bear our portion of responsibility for His murder. How then will we present ourselves before Jesus/Him? I present myself before You my Lord and my God Jesus in full understanding of my shortcomings/unworthiness/sins and in sole reliance on your worthiness and in your provision of worthiness for me as my hope that I am permitted to go on with You.
 
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None of of us are "worthy" of salvation. However there are things we should do to keep ourselves worthy. The verses below are written to believers.

Matt 10:37; "He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.
Matt 10:38; "And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me.

Luke 20:35; but those who are considered worthy to attain to that age and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage;


Eph 4:1; Therefore I, the prisoner of the Lord, implore you to walk in a manner worthy of the calling with which you have been called,


Col 1:10; so that you will walk in a manner worthy of the Lord, to please Him in all respects, bearing fruit in every good work and increasing in the knowledge of God;
1 Thes 2:12; so that you would walk in a manner worthy of the God who calls you into His own kingdom and glory.
2 Thes 1:5; This is a plain indication of God's righteous judgment so that you will be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which indeed you are suffering.
2 Thes 1:11; To this end also we pray for you always, that our God will count you worthy of your calling, and fulfill every desire for goodness and the work of faith with power,


Rev 3:4; 'But you have a few people in Sardis who have not soiled their garments; and they will walk with Me in white, for they are worthy.


None of us will make it to heaven without Jesus, that's for sure. But none of us will make it to heaven without obedience either.

John 3:36; "He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."
Heb 5:9; And having been made perfect, He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation,


Acts 5:29; But Peter and the apostles answered, "We must obey God rather than men.
Acts 5:32; "And we are witnesses of these things; and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey Him."


2 Thes 1:8; dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.
2 Thes 3:14; If anyone does not obey our instruction in this letter, take special note of that person and do not associate with him, so that he will be put to shame.

1 Pet 1:2; according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure.
1 Pet 4:17; For it is time for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God?


Luke 6:46; "Why do you call Me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say?

Obedience is required. His worthiness alone doesn't save us.

Jas 2:19; You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.

Rom 6:16; Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?
 
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None of of us are "worthy" of salvation. However there are things we should do to keep ourselves worthy. The verses below are written to believers.

Matt 10:37; "He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.
Matt 10:38; "And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me.


Luke 20:35; but those who are considered worthy to attain to that age and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage;

Eph 4:1; Therefore I, the prisoner of the Lord, implore you to walk in a manner worthy of the calling with which you have been called,

Col 1:10; so that you will walk in a manner worthy of the Lord, to please Him in all respects, bearing fruit in every good work and increasing in the knowledge of God;
1 Thes 2:12; so that you would walk in a manner worthy of the God who calls you into His own kingdom and glory.
2 Thes 1:5; This is a plain indication of God's righteous judgment so that you will be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which indeed you are suffering.
2 Thes 1:11; To this end also we pray for you always, that our God will count you worthy of your calling, and fulfill every desire for goodness and the work of faith with power,


Rev 3:4; 'But you have a few people in Sardis who have not soiled their garments; and they will walk with Me in white, for they are worthy.

None of us will make it to heaven without Jesus, that's for sure. But none of us will make it to heaven without obedience either.

John 3:36; "He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."
Heb 5:9; And having been made perfect, He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation,


Acts 5:29; But Peter and the apostles answered, "We must obey God rather than men.
Acts 5:32; "And we are witnesses of these things; and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey Him."


2 Thes 1:8; dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.
2 Thes 3:14; If anyone does not obey our instruction in this letter, take special note of that person and do not associate with him, so that he will be put to shame.


1 Pet 1:2; according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure.
1 Pet 4:17; For it is time for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God?


Luke 6:46; "Why do you call Me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say?

Obedience is required. His worthiness alone doesn't save us.

Jas 2:19; You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.

Rom 6:16; Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?
If we aren't worthy of Jesus blood how can we keep ourselves worthy? Best we keep ourselves understanding that He is God and we aren't and give thanks.
 
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@this human,
we all bear our portion of responsibility for His murder. How then will we present ourselves before Jesus/Him? I present myself before You my Lord and my God Jesus in full understanding of my shortcomings/unworthiness/sins and in sole reliance on your worthiness and in your provision of worthiness for me as my hope that I am permitted to go on with You.
A believer’s shortcomings will be revealed at the Day of Judgment if they have not been repented of in this life; but until then God is not judging believers as condemning them for anything (1Cor. 4:5). God has given us His word and through His Grace we have the opportunity to learn obedience and serve God as our Savior if we are truly willing and believe Jesus is our Lord. Every believer will be accounted worthy for their works if they endure until the end.

Luk 20:35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, “AND” the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:

Luk 21:36 Watch you therefore, and pray always, that YOU may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

If we aren't worthy of Jesus blood how can we keep ourselves worthy? Best we keep ourselves understanding that He is God and we aren't and give thanks.
A believer is watching what ‘s happening in their spirit in order not to lose their peace as God has commanded (Joh. 14:27). It is our responsibility to present ourselves Holy before God at the Day of Judgment that we might be found worthy (1Pet. 1:16).

1Th 2:12 That you would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.

Col 1:10 That you might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;
 
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If you do these things
then do you become worthy of salvation?
That's the wrong question... it's more like if you don't do them, you won't be.


Matt 25:31; "But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne.
Matt 25:32; "All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats;
Matt 25:33; and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left.
Matt 25:34; "Then the King will say to those on His right, 'Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
Matt 25:35; 'For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in;
Matt 25:36; naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.'
Matt 25:37; "Then the righteous will answer Him, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry, and feed You, or thirsty, and give You something to drink?
Matt 25:38; 'And when did we see You a stranger, and invite You in, or naked, and clothe You?
Matt 25:39; 'When did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?'
Matt 25:40; "The King will answer and say to them, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.'
Matt 25:41; "Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;
Matt 25:42; for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink;
Matt 25:43; I was a stranger, and you did not invite Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me.'
Matt 25:44; "Then they themselves also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not take care of You?'
Matt 25:45; "Then He will answer them, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.'
Matt 25:46; "These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
 
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Do you hold yourself judge B-A-C? I hold God merciful and tell Him thanks for the chance.
You ask me if I'm the judge? First of all we are to judge those in the church.
But even so.. I might judge others. But at least I'm not "holding" God to anything as if I had control over Him. Which one of you is God?


1 Cor 5:5; I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
1 Cor 5:9; I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people;

1 Cor 5:11; But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler—not even to eat with such a one.
1 Cor 5:12; For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church?
1 Cor 5:13; But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES.


Matt 18:15; "If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother.
Matt 18:16; "But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that BY THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES EVERY FACT MAY BE CONFIRMED.
Matt 18:17; "If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.


(meaning... he is to you just like any other unsaved person).
 
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Humans have counted on ourselves since Adam deliberately rejected God's warning. God/Jesus is my hope, us murderers, humans, are fortunate He is merciful.
 
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@this human,
God counted on humans since He created Adam and Eve in His image and likeness to obey Him. You are teaching man could not obey God then and you are teaching man cannot obey God now; though God told us He's given us the ability (Eph. 6:16).. You are teaching man never had the ability to obey and only God does the work through man. That's not what scriptures teach. Nevertheless, God's word will not come back unto Him void, but it will accomplish what He sent it to do. Everything God meant for man at the beginning man will do.

1 Corinthians 10:13
There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that you are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that you may be able to bear it.

Any temptation or situation which God allows, a man can obey and do God's will. This scripture teaches, God is faithful, and will not allow anything to come upon a believer he, the man/believer, cannot be obedient in. This human, you have made a choice not to believe and are thinking like the servant that hid his talent because you are showing yourself to be afraid

Matthew 25:24
Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:
Matthew 25:25
And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth:lo, there thou hast that is thine.
Matthew 25:26
His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
Matthew 25:27
Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.
 
Humans have always had the ability as God says but God knows and knew none will, not you, not me, or any other, which is why humanity owes Him such a debt of gratitude for accomplishing what humanity never would. If you @regibassman57 was more than just another physically dying human your judgement of me and what I am teaching might concern me but the One: God/Jesus to whom we will all account means much more to me than any mere human. He looks on my heart and knows me much better. Worship yourself if you want; I will worship the One who is the greatest of all humans, my Lord and my God Jesus.
 
@this human,
Humans have always had the ability as God says but God knows and knew none will, not you, not me, or any other, which is why humanity owes Him such a debt of gratitude for accomplishing what humanity never would. He looks on my heart and knows me much better.
So tell me if I'm correct... You believe when a person accepts Jesus as Lord, they have no responsibility or accountability of obedience to obey Jesus' commands as it pertains to obtaining Eternal Life. They have no responsibility to develop in the love of Christ because they cannot and God knew they could not therefore every believer has a free pass concerning being a "doer" of God will. Is this what you are saying?

Are you saying and teaching this verse below does not apply and a believer is not accountable for doing God's will and it does not apply?

Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven.
 
Who did you kill?
You should consider a post before you make idle comments on it. Your question is answered in the first sentence of this one but my understanding of what Jesus said is that if we get mad at anyone it is the same as the sentiment that leads or drives humans to actually physically murder another. We are held accountable as if we had. Are you going to keep playing this or is there a point that you are driving at?
 
@regibassman57 I have really tried to help you get it/understand but you have been unable as yet and, rather, seem hellbent/bound and determined to judge and condemn me so you can maintain your lofty position of your standing before God, like those that seat themselves at the chief seats at the feast before another comes and tells them this seat is not for you and tells them to get up and move to the back. I understand that you're just another physically dying human trying to keep going but your continuing to fight with me while not considering what I write is fruitless. Humans that waste another human's life/time are as guilty of murdering that human as all humans, by our sin, are guilty of murdering Jesus which is the point of this post. You can present yourself before God deeming yourself obedient, I will present myself desirous of the mercy He afforded us on the cross fully understanding that there is nothing of me worthy but for Him.
 
@this human,

What you are writing is fruitless. You don't believe you have any accountability for your actions. The "ONLY" thing that God does not hold a man accountable for is "sin" being taken out of the world. Every believer will give an account of their works whether good or bad.

Acts 13:39
And by Jesus all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

The "only" thing a man could not do was take away sin. Man had and has the ability to do everything God command him to do. If that believer chooses not to, they are unprofitable servants and will give account.

2 Corinthians 5:10
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

2 Corinthians 5:11
Knowing therefore the "terror of the Lord," we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

You are teaching "tare" information to believers that are babes in Christ, or sleeping on the job.

Matthew 13:25
But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
 

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