How You Will Know the real Holy Spirit from the spirit of the antichrist

[GodB4Us]

Many believers today are testifying to feeling "His Presence" in the worship place or in a room or where ever they are at, but that is where the spirit of the antichrist is at for why the Holy Spirit would not "visit" like that when He is in us.

1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

Verse 2 above is John saying "Jesus Christ is come in the flesh" as the same thing as Paul saying "Jesus Christ is in us" as where Jesus Christ dwells presently in according to our faith in 2 Corinthians 13:5.

This is rightly dividing the word of truth because of the following verses putting the spirit of the antichrist as outside of us as in the world.

3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Before, His Presence could be felt at the Temple in Jerusalem as the Shekinah glory will visit & dwell for a time. What is the Shekinah glory?

"The word shekinah does not appear in the Bible, but the concept clearly does. The Jewish rabbis coined this extra-biblical expression, a form of a Hebrew word that literally means “he caused to dwell,” signifying that it was a divine visitation of the presence or dwelling of the Lord God on this earth. " ~~ quote from link.

But now, we are under the New Covenant and this is where the Holy Spirit dwells at now in believers ( 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 ) so we can worship God the Father any where by coming to the Son ( John 14:6 ) in honoring the Son in worship. ( John 5:22-23 )

1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Jesus told us plainly how we will know the Holy Spirit and that is by Him dwelling in us; not as the world does by seeing visitations of spirits.

John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Now if you disagree, and believe that presence you felt outside of you was the holy Spirit, then how can anyone test the spirits to know the real holy Spirit from the spirit of the antichrist?

One cannot say that if the spirit feels good, then it must be of God because there are seducing spirits out there in the world as the spirits of the antichrist.

1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

And the meaning of antichrist as it is used in scripture means "instead of Christ" as in "instead of the Son". This is what the spirit of the antichrist does; take your eyes & focus off of the Son in worship, prayer, & fellowship in coming to God the Father by.

In prayer....

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Hebrews 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

In fellowship....

1 Corinthians 1:9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

1 Corinthians 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

Philippians 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, 9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: 10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

1 John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. 4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full. 5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

The real indwelling holy Spirit will always testify of the Son to glorify the Son and He does that through us whereas the spirit of the antichrist does the opposite by taking our eyes off of Him in chasing after them for visitations.

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: 27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

John 14:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

So test the spirits; what is the phenomenon leading you to do? To go to Jesus Christ and seek His face or to seek that visiting presence again? The real indwelling Holy Spirit would never do both because He seeks to keep believers from committing spiritual adultery when they should be going to the Bridegroom in coming to God the Father by as we can only live this reconciled relationship with God the Father through the Lord Jesus Christ, our Good Shepherd & Friend.

Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

 

[Daniel L.]

"Jesus Christ is come in the flesh"

Also, if the person or the Spirit keeps His commandments.

1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

 

[GodB4Us]

Also, if the person or the Spirit keeps His commandments.

There is no "if" about the Spirit keeping His commandments. The "if" only applies to the saved believer if they are walking in the Spirit, trusting Jesus Christ as their Good shepherd for abiding in Him by keeping His commandments since we can do nothing without Him.

1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

That is for our discernment as to whom are abiding in Him as His disciples to be telling the truth from those that are not abiding in Him and yet claims to know Him.

Those found not abiding in Him, His disciples are instructed to correct them by the scripture rather than preach the gospel to them again because they are already saved.

They just need to go to Him for help to see the iniquity by His words to depart from iniquity so they can go on to perfection by faith in Jesus Christ to finish His work in them to His glory.

This is why we are warned not to grieve the Holy Spirit because He is not going any where as we have been sealed to that day of redemption, but the question is, will we be ready as found abiding in Him or not when the Bridegroom comes?

Because if not, then they run the risk of being excommunicated from the Marriage Supper as in left behind to die but their spirits will be with the Lord in Heaven, and although they missed out on the first fruits of the resurrection as vessels unto honor in His House at the rapture event before the great tribulation, they shall be resurrected after the great tribulation as vessels unto dishonor in His House also known as the least in the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

2 Timothy 2: 18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

That is why we are to seek the good of even former believers by calling them to go to Jesus Christ for help & discernment so they can see their need of Him to depart from iniquity so that they too may obtain that eternal glory that comes with our salvation which is to be received by the Bridegroom as that vessel unto honor in His House at the rapture event when God will judge His House first.

2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight 8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. 11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

The Lord is faithful to keep the souls of His saints and former believers left behind that shall suffer & die because He still abides in them, but while the Lord provides opportunities, let us call them to depart from iniquity or be denied by Him.

2 Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

1 Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? 19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

 

[Rookster]

Many believers today are testifying to feeling "His Presence" in the worship place or in a room or where ever they are at, but that is where the spirit of the antichrist is at for why the Holy Spirit would not "visit" like that when He is in us.

1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

Verse 2 above is John saying "Jesus Christ is come in the flesh" as the same thing as Paul saying "Jesus Christ is in us" as where Jesus Christ dwells presently in according to our faith in 2 Corinthians 13:5.

This is rightly dividing the word of truth because of the following verses putting the spirit of the antichrist as outside of us as in the world.

3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Before, His Presence could be felt at the Temple in Jerusalem as the Shekinah glory will visit & dwell for a time. What is the Shekinah glory?

"The word shekinah does not appear in the Bible, but the concept clearly does. The Jewish rabbis coined this extra-biblical expression, a form of a Hebrew word that literally means “he caused to dwell,” signifying that it was a divine visitation of the presence or dwelling of the Lord God on this earth. " ~~ quote from link.

But now, we are under the New Covenant and this is where the Holy Spirit dwells at now in believers ( 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 ) so we can worship God the Father any where by coming to the Son ( John 14:6 ) in honoring the Son in worship. ( John 5:22-23 )

1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Jesus told us plainly how we will know the Holy Spirit and that is by Him dwelling in us; not as the world does by seeing visitations of spirits.

John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Now if you disagree, and believe that presence you felt outside of you was the holy Spirit, then how can anyone test the spirits to know the real holy Spirit from the spirit of the antichrist?

One cannot say that if the spirit feels good, then it must be of God because there are seducing spirits out there in the world as the spirits of the antichrist.

1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

And the meaning of antichrist as it is used in scripture means "instead of Christ" as in "instead of the Son". This is what the spirit of the antichrist does; take your eyes & focus off of the Son in worship, prayer, & fellowship in coming to God the Father by.

In prayer....

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Hebrews 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

In fellowship....

1 Corinthians 1:9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

1 Corinthians 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

Philippians 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, 9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: 10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

1 John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. 4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full. 5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

The real indwelling holy Spirit will always testify of the Son to glorify the Son and He does that through us whereas the spirit of the antichrist does the opposite by taking our eyes off of Him in chasing after them for visitations.

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: 27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

John 14:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

So test the spirits; what is the phenomenon leading you to do? To go to Jesus Christ and seek His face or to seek that visiting presence again? The real indwelling Holy Spirit would never do both because He seeks to keep believers from committing spiritual adultery when they should be going to the Bridegroom in coming to God the Father by as we can only live this reconciled relationship with God the Father through the Lord Jesus Christ, our Good Shepherd & Friend.

Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Also, if the person or the Spirit keeps His commandments.

1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

It will be easy to tell the difference
You will be able to tell, simply, by the fruit
The Fruit of the Spirit

 

[GodB4Us]

It will be easy to tell the difference
You will be able to tell, simply, by the fruit
The Fruit of the Spirit

There are fruits of the false prophets also, and it is when the spirit of the antichrist will be ecumenical in nature as gathering grapes of thorns and figs of thistles. Example; Catholic Charismatic Church that believes tongues are for private use also, and yet for all of that so called assumed as a manifestation of the Holy Spirit, they are never reproved of the dead works of Catholicism that deny Him. And this same kind of supernatural tongue of gibberish nonsense, is found in the occult, idolatries, world religions, as well as cults in Christianity as they have gained that tongue by seeing the receiving of those spirits of the antichrist per their visitations or when believers seek proof of salvation in coming forward.

Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Some will believe that the "second blessing" or another baptism with the Holy Ghost is of God, but judge slain in the spirit & holy laughter movement as not of God and yet they are all of the same evil tree of believing the lie that they can receive the Holy Ghost "again" apart from salvation or even when prepped to seek proof of salvation by receiving the Holy Ghost by that sign of tongues when they come forward for salvation rather than by faith in Jesus Christ.

Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Hebrews 11:1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.

Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.... 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

That is why in spite of the "miracles" performed in these phenomenon, like another baptism with the Holy Ghost by that sign of tongues, or slain in the spirit or holy laughter movement, some will note how some believers will lose self control & fall backwards.

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

All this because they did not heed His words on how to approach God the Father by the only way of the Son rather than broadening the way as if there are invitations to come to the Holy Spirit for those visitations again and again and again. This is why saved believers are led astray in these last days where faith is hard to find because they believe tongues are for private use as gained by receiving the Holy Ghost apart from salvation as well as multiple tomes thereafter.

Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

By not heeding His words is why some do fall but many wind up following a stranger's voice, tongues for private use, which is not of Him at all.

John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. 2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. 3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. 4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. 5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

6 This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.

7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. 8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.

Climbing up any other way around the Son is the thief and that is why the thief has come in between the saved believer and Jesus as if the Holy Spirit is another way to come to God the Father by when it is only the Son as the only way.

 

[GodB4Us]

It will be easy to tell the difference
You will be able to tell, simply, by the fruit
The Fruit of the Spirit

@B-A-C @God's Truth

And the problem of applying fruits of the Spirit to testing these spirits is that in Khundalini, an eastern mysticism, they can experience a sensation of peace, joy, love, fire, electricity as in power, as well as loss of self control which can be scary as reported by some, so testing the spirits by feeling good is not valid when there are seducing spirits out there where recipients will sear their conscience with hypocrisy saying they know the Holy Spirit is in them since salvation but yet they seek to receive Him again as if He is not in them still when in actuality, they are complete in Christ for why they need not follow a rudiment of the world in receiving spirits over and over again as if Christians do that with the Holy Spirit also

1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

Colossians 2:5 For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ. 6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: 7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. 8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

A comparison of what is happening in the churches that have gone astray with actual events in Khundalini below.

John 7:7 The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.

1 Thessalonians 4:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. 23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it. 25 Brethren, pray for us.

 

[Daniel L.]

This is why we are warned not to grieve the Holy Spirit because He is not going any where as we have been sealed to that day of redemption

Was the high priest "sealed" to the day of redemption?

Acts 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

Marriage Supper as in left behind to die but their spirits will be with the Lord in Heaven

Nope, only those with the wedding garment will be able to sup with Him, and the wedding garment is the Righteousness of the Saints. If you show up at the wedding without a wedding garment, your spirit does not go to Heaven, it goes to outter darkness.

Matthew 22:12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless
13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

2 Corinthians 12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

 

[GodB4Us]

Was the high priest "sealed" to the day of redemption?

Acts 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

Nope, only those with the wedding garment will be able to sup with Him, and the wedding garment is the Righteousness of the Saints. If you show up at the wedding without a wedding garment, your spirit does not go to Heaven, it goes to outter darkness.

Matthew 22:12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless
13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

2 Corinthians 12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

I believe you are posting verses just to be argumentative in applying them to be contrary that has nothing to do with the topic at hand that is supported by scriptures. That seems to be the trend in some, if not all of your postings. Repent.

 

[Daniel L.]

I believe

Well, if you can't respond it must be because your interpretation is wrong, not Scripture, since Scripture cannot contradict itself.

 

[GodB4Us]

Well, if you can't respond it must be because your interpretation is wrong, not Scripture, since Scripture cannot contradict itself.

Since you have been applying scripture as if opposing the scriptures I have referenced, the shoe is on your foot for why I say you are applying scripture wrong.

Was the high priest "sealed" to the day of redemption?

Acts 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

They were not saved so how can they be sealed unto that day of redemption? Therefore Acts 7:51 does not apply to Ephesians 4:30 nor vise versa.

Nope, only those with the wedding garment will be able to sup with Him, and the wedding garment is the Righteousness of the Saints. If you show up at the wedding without a wedding garment, your spirit does not go to Heaven, it goes to outter darkness.

Matthew 22:12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless
13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Yet He called him "Friend". So how did he even get there unless he had engaged in dead works that deny Him thus voiding faith for why he was there as saved but had gone astray by not wearing his wedding garment thus cast out.

Jesus warned His disciples about the consequence of not abiding in Him nor His words in verse 6 of John 15:1-8 in being His disciples as they will get cut off; and in Luke 12:40-49 Jesus told them where they would be cast out into, the world where the unbelievers are as these wayward saints will be left behind, but note how these saints are being punished by many stripes per the knowledge they had for not being ready and lesser stripes per the knowledge they did not have for not being ready for they are still called His servants.

There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth like Esau over the loss of his birthrights and the prodigal son in wasting his inheritance on wild living and can never get it back, but Esau did have an inheritance as the prodigal son is still son. This is where the vessels unto dishonor that comes from that did not depart from iniquity but still in His House per 2 Timothy 2:19-21. This is how the least came to be in that kingdom of heaven for breaking the least of His commandments and teaches others so in Mathew 5:19

So even when former believers that deny Him for why He will deny them, thus naked of their wedding garment, and yet they were there as His friends for why they were cast out and still His friends since His word cannot be undone for why they are still saved when left behind, because He is faithful for He abides as you note in verse 13 in 2 Timothy 2:11-13

2 Corinthians 12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

This is another example of applying scripture that has nothing to do with the fruit of the false prophet in gathering grapes of thorns and figs of thistles when Matthew 7:15-16 is about inferring ecumenical in nature.

Examples are like the Catholic Pope in being ecumenical in uniting world religions just as the Catholic Pope in being ecumenical in uniting all Christian Churches.

For this thread, the fruit of the false prophet is about how the spirits of the antichrist is ecumenical in how tongues for private use as gibberish nonsense & signs of loss of self control can be found in other world religions ( Khundalini ), idolatries ( Roman goddess Dinah ), the occult ( mediums & voodooism ), & cults in Christianity ( Catholics, JW's & Mormons ) gained by receiving a spirit by seeing that reception as the world does.

John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Hebrews 11:1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.

Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.... 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Of course, if you are presenting that because you believe Paul is a false prophet just because he had a thorn in the flesh, then you are not rightly dividing the word of truth when the fruit of that false prophet is as gathering grapes of thorns and figs of thistles by being ecumenical in nature and that is not Paul when he has been point sinners to go to Jesus while the Pope and the spirits of the antichrist points everywhere else but the Son for unity & signs & lying wonders.

 

[Daniel L.]

cast out into, the world

Not into the world, outter darkness.

13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

they are still saved

What you mean they are saved? They are in outter darkness weeping and gnashing their teeth. That is hell, not saved.

just because he had a thorn in the flesh

Hebrews 6:8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

 

[GodB4Us]

Not into the world, outter darkness.

13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

I gave you scriptural reference for where that outer darkness is at; the world as in left behind.

Luke 14:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not. 41 Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all? 42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? 43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath. 45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; 46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. 47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more. 49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?

That is why He warned this church to repent before He comes as the Bridegroom or be cast into the bed of the great tribulation.

Revelation 2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass; 19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first. 20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. 21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. 23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. 24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden. 25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

What you mean they are saved? They are in outter darkness weeping and gnashing their teeth. That is hell, not saved.

Nope. Hell on earth.

Matthew 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. 30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Matthew 18:8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire. 9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

The English word "hell" was translated from the Greek word geena or Gehenna which is known as a waste dump outside of Jerusalem but the Lord changed the name of its meaning here.

Jeremiah 7:32 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that it shall no more be called Tophet, nor the valley of the son of Hinnom, but the valley of slaughter: for they shall bury in Tophet, till there be no place. 33 And the carcases of this people shall be meat for the fowls of the heaven, and for the beasts of the earth; and none shall fray them away.

When Babylon USA falls in Revelation 18:1-24 , the corpses of the left behind saints will be found in her, but do note His words still addresses them as saints.

Revelation 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. 24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

And since one third of the earth will be burned up hence the entire western hemisphere where USA resides in, that is the Gehenna the valley of slaughter; that hell on earth,

Revelation 8:7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

Hebrews 6:8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

Just like all that which denies Him on that foundation will be burned up but the foundation remains just as per your reference the rain and thus life remains in the earth. And although they suffer a physical death for defiling the temple of God, they are saved regardless.

1 Corinthians 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. 11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. 16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

Like it or not, saved believers that are not ready because they were found in iniquity, or got led astray by lies in becoming former believers, they will be left behind to die, but their spirits will be with the Lord in Heaven to await for their resurrection after the great tribulation.

2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight 8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. 11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

So did you read all that?

 

[Daniel L.]

hell on earth

Either way, the wicked is not saved, not in Heaven, not in Him.

they are saved regardless

Exodus 23:7 [...] I will not justify the wicked.

Proverbs 17:15 He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the Lord.

Proverbs 24:24 He that saith unto the wicked, Thou are righteous; him shall the people curse, nations shall abhor him:

 

[GodB4Us]

Either way, the wicked is not saved, not in Heaven, not in Him.

You did not read the scriptures provided that proved otherwise, brother.

Exodus 23:7 [...] I will not justify the wicked.

Proverbs 17:15 He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the Lord.

Proverbs 24:24 He that saith unto the wicked, Thou are righteous; him shall the people curse, nations shall abhor him:

None of these scriptures are null and void by the scripture I have provided that proves otherwise because once that foundation is laid and that seal of adoption is given, H can lose none of them even if they do go astray & become former believers.

John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Which last day will it be though? The firstfruits of the resurrection for those abiding in Him & His words as His disciples or those that be Christ's at His coming in being resurrected after the great tribulation?

It is the unbelievers that never believed in Him that God will never justify because they believed not in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 3: 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

That is the actual unforgivable sin that the Holy Ghost will convict of seeing how He is not dwelling in them because they never believed in Jesus Christ to get saved.

John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. 8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; 11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

 

[Daniel L.]

proved otherwise

There are none Scriptures that "prove otherwise" and if there is one, then it is not scripture, because Scripture cannot contradict Him.

Exodus 23:7 [...] I will not justify the wicked.

-Also, you provided Scripture to turn outter darkness into the world, and hell, into hell on earth. Which doesn't mean they are saved, they are not saved. I mean, that is the reason why they are cast into hell, whether it be on earth or in hell, because they are not saved. So how can you say the saved go to hell? -You must mean the wicked go to hell.

And if they were saved and then turn from the Holy commandment, they are not coming back to faith.

2 Peter 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

-These are not saved, neither will they be saved at the last day.

 

[GodB4Us]

There are none Scriptures that "prove otherwise" and if there is one, then it is not scripture, because Scripture cannot contradict Him.

Exodus 23:7 [...] I will not justify the wicked.

@God's Truth

Then explain yourself.

Were you not a sinner before you were saved? Were you not wicked? How & why did God justify you?

How did God said in one place that these are not my people and yet in another place, they are His people? Dod God's words changed here?

Romans 9:25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved. 26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God. 27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

So that is proof that you are not rightly dividing the word of truth here.

-Also, you provided Scripture to turn outter darkness into the world, and hell, into hell on earth. Which doesn't mean they are saved, they are not saved. I mean, that is the reason why they are cast into hell, whether it be on earth or in hell, because they are not saved. So how can you say the saved go to hell? -You must mean the wicked go to hell.

The problem here is those being received at the rapture event when the Bridegroom comes are entering the kingdom of light in Heaven, right? Please note verse 10 below as Peter saying the same thing Paul is.

1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light; 10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

Here is what those abiding in Him shall find themselves in that City of God in Heaven.

Revelation 21:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife. 10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, 11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;

22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. 23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. 24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. 25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.

So imagine the rapture event before that fire on the third of the earth comes with the following great tribulation as a result with that mark of the beast system, as those received are entering into the City of Light and those "disqualified" and found naked of their wedding garment are being excommunicated from the Marriage Supper in Heaven, thus what? Cast out into outer darkness; as in left behind on earth.

And if they were saved and then turn from the Holy commandment, they are not coming back to faith.

2 Peter 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

That is not what that scriptural reference says. Those who are not found abiding in Him & His words as His disciples will be left behind to die for not departing from iniquity with His help, thus there is a damnation which is becoming vessels unto dishonor in His House for why there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth and why God has to wipe the tears from their eyes to get them past that loss as Esau had wept for the loss of his birthrights because no matter if the prodigal son can never get back his inheritance for wasteful spending on wild living, he is still son.

Revelation 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. 11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, 12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. 13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. 16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. 17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

May the Lord help you to pay attention. In context of Hebrews 6:1-8, Paul is talking about no necessity to be water baptized again with the laying on of hands as if the wayward believer needs to be saved again for that would put Christ to open shame as if that one time sacrifice for sins was not good enough that He had to die again for that saved believer that repented. The earth received the rain ( life ) and for those that did not repent, the works will be burned up even though life is still in the earth just as that foundation remains when God judges the works on that foundation in 1 Corinthians 3:10-17 even though the physical body dies for defiling that temple of God, but they are saved per verse 15.

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

-These are not saved, neither will they be saved at the last day.

Did you read on about how God still addressed them He is having vengeance on as still His people?

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

So those taking communion as "holy communion" as if they are receiving that one time sacrifice for sins "again" to make atonement for the sins that are passed are asking for a comeuppance from the Lord just as those that believe they are receiving Him again in the bread and the wine, as if His Presence is in the bread & the wine when rather He has been living in them since salvation when they had first believed in Jesus Christ, the Good News to man to know not to do that.

Communion is only to be taken in remembrance of Him, proclaiming the Lord's death for what He has done in having bought us with a price & sealed as His that our physical bodies are now the temples of the holy Spirit.

1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

This is why when those who defile the temple of God and that temple of God, the physical body, is destroyed by physical death, they are still saved because that foundation remains as that seal of adoption does too for why their spirits will be with the Lord in Heaven.

Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

How does one grieve the Holy Spirit of God? By defiling the temple of God. That is why those astray are called to repent so they can be received by Him as that vessel unto honor in His House. If not, they are damned as vessels unto dishonor but still in His House. That is why former believers are called to depart from iniquity and this is not done by preaching the gospel for hey already know it, but to reprove the lies that turned them away from Him.

2 Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

So ask Jesus Christ this question; how can there be vessels unto dishonor in His House, vessels of wood & earth, be those that did not depart from iniquity when those that are vessels unto honor are those that did depart from iniquity?

 

[Daniel L.]

How did God said in one place that these are not my people and yet in another place, they are His people?

-If they repent, they are cleansed from all unrighteousness, and therefore made righteous, and are able to be justified, because they are righteous indeed.

Ezekiel 18:21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

-You seem comitted to bring the wicked into His House, you failed to do it in Heaven, and in Him. So your "vessels of dishonor" are now, at the very best, in hell on earth.

Luke 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Ezekiel 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

-What do you think "perish" means?

And How do you explain that all his righteousness shall not be mentioned, and that he shall die in his sins. Does this sound like they are still saved, or will be saved?

 

[GodB4Us]

-If they repent, they are cleansed from all unrighteousness, and therefore made righteous, and are able to be justified, because they are righteous indeed.

Ezekiel 18:21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

-You seem comitted to bring the wicked into His House, you failed to do it in Heaven, and in Him. So your "vessels of dishonor" are now, at the very best, in hell on earth.

You still have to address why the vessels unto dishonor that did not depart from iniquity are still in His House as vessels of wood & earth.

Luke 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Ezekiel 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

-What do you think "perish" means?

Physical death. Perish as in they shall die. It is mentioned in your quote so I am not sure why you would not see the cnnection.

And How do you explain that all his righteousness shall not be mentioned, and that he shall die in his sins. Does this sound like they are still saved, or will be saved?

It means God will judge His House first and what we build on that foundation will be judged but regardless of any works that defile the temple of God for why they would be denied & left behind to die a physical death, that foundation remains as that seal of adoption does too for why there are vessels unto dishonor in His House as resurrected after the great tribulation as vessels of wood & earth for the 1000 year reign of Christ. Not the same as the vessels unto honor in Hs House.

Did not the prodigal son gave up his inheritance for wild living? And yet he is still son no matter what, even though he can never get that first inheritance back. This is why the least are called least for breaking even the least of His commandments and teaching others so but yet still in that kingdom of heaven.

Feel free to explain & apply Matthew 5:19 if you believe otherwise.

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

So yeah... there is a terror of the Lord when saved believers sows to the works of the flesh in reaping corruption because there is a damnation for not departing from iniquity thus becoming the least or the vessels unto dishonor in His House.

2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight 8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. 11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

Judgment must come to the House of God first but Jesus is faithful in doing a good job of keeping the souls of His saints that are suffer being left behind.

1 Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? 19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

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[Daniel L.]

the vessels unto dishonor that did not depart from iniquity are still in His House as vessels of wood & earth

The witness of God is greater.

Matthew 22:13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

-Is His House outter darkness where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth? -No, so they are outside His House. This is what happens when you take the words of men over the Word of God. You do greatly err. And if you think these wicked and naked are "saved" Woe to you.

Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

Proverbs 24:24 He that saith unto the wicked, Thou art righteous; him shall the people curse, nations shall abhor him:

 

[PloughBoy]

You still have to address why the vessels unto dishonor that did not depart from iniquity are still in His House as vessels of wood & earth.

Physical death. Perish as in they shall die. It is mentioned in your quote so I am not sure why you would not see the cnnection.

It means God will judge His House first and what we build on that foundation will be judged but regardless of any works that defile the temple of God for why they would be denied & left behind to die a physical death, that foundation remains as that seal of adoption does too for why there are vessels unto dishonor in His House as resurrected after the great tribulation as vessels of wood & earth for the 1000 year reign of Christ. Not the same as the vessels unto honor in Hs House.

Did not the prodigal son gave up his inheritance for wild living? And yet he is still son no matter what, even though he can never get that first inheritance back. This is why the least are called least for breaking even the least of His commandments and teaching others so but yet still in that kingdom of heaven.

Feel free to explain & apply Matthew 5:19 if you believe otherwise.

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

So yeah... there is a terror of the Lord when saved believers sows to the works of the flesh in reaping corruption because there is a damnation for not departing from iniquity thus becoming the least or the vessels unto dishonor in His House.

2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight 8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. 11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

Judgment must come to the House of God first but Jesus is faithful in doing a good job of keeping the souls of His saints that are suffer being left behind.

1 Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? 19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

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