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How to fall away from the faith? To deny once saved always saved is calling God a liar

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Do you believe Jesus testimony or not?

You can have doubts but how do you resolve them?
By being reassured of the promise of free everlasting life by believing Jesus is the son of God.
Thats how you and every believer restores them selves from doubts.

Free everlasting life means free everlasting life , not conditional part life but free not of works of law
or self works Life, but free unconditional freely given by God's free gift of Grace by the gift of believing Jesus is the son of God everlasting life.
Full of grace and truth.
 
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Origin and Etymology of believe


Middle English beleven, from Old English belēfan, from be- + lȳfan, lēfan to allow, believe; akin to Old High German gilouben to believe, Old English lēof dear — more at love
 
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You may have doubts but it does not mean you will deny the truth by teaching against it, as some do ,
What they do , that is denying the truth, actively teaching- speaking against it.
 
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Actually scripture is not 100% clear to many that osas is true or not true, what difference does it make it you believe in Christ that is what matters. I usually only see divide coming from the discussion on the subject of osas what good is divide among believers?

just for the record I do believe in osas but respect others who do not.

God bless
 
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Actually scripture is not 100% clear to many that osas is true or not true, what difference does it make it you believe in Christ that is what matters. I usually only see divide coming from the discussion on the subject of osas what good is divide among believers?

just for the record I do believe in osas but respect others who do not.

God bless

Hi thanks for the reply

What must be understood is that all the warnings in the new testament about falling away losing salvation etc, the things people read and are afriad of , are all warning not to deny the truth of eternal life by believing in Jesus as the son of God and recieving life through him.

So anyone who is arguing against that truth is using the word of truth against itself.
And is making God out to be a liar by denying it.

The excuse those give for arguing against the gospel of grace is grace, is that when they hear it taught or preached , like pharasees they immediatly reject it because they want to save themselves by law i.e knowledge of sin.
So when they think of sinners being freely given everlasting life purely by believing Jesus is the son of God, they want to start beating them up and whipping them. For when they think of everlasting life as a free grace gift from God they think SiN!

We should never respect persons nor especially give respect to false teaching persons. And we do this for the sake of truth and love.
For if we respect those who tear down faith and trample the truth underfoot how can we care for eachother or any men?
We are to build eachother and ourselves up in our most holy faith and agonise in defence of the good news of life through faith in the son of God Jesus Christ.
Anyone who comes teaching against that life should be excommunicated from the church, for we have a duty to care for the sheep and lambs.
 
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What must be understood is that all the warnings in the new testament about falling away losing salvation etc, the things people read and are afriad of , are all warning not to deny the truth of eternal life by believing in Jesus as the son of God and recieving life through him.

So anyone who is arguing against that truth is using the word of truth against itself.
And is making God out to be a liar by denying it.
Of course your statement presumes that you speak God's truth while all those in opposition to your belief on this issue are liars. Why should a person believe you and not those speaking from the other side? Consider these verses in connection with your belief:

"God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged." Rom 3:4

"Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts." Prov 21:2
 
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A person who continues in unrepentant sin is not going to heaven despite what he believes he believes is written in the bible 1 Cor 6:9-12.
 
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What must be understood is that all the warnings in the new testament about falling away losing salvation etc, the things people read and are afriad of , are all warning not to deny the truth of eternal life by believing in Jesus as the son of God and recieving life through him.
You are just another "Nay-Sayer" regarding what is the absolute power of God. What YOU must understand is that: "all the warnings in the New Testament" about falling away are for true unbelievers, those who have indicated that they are true Christians but have fallen away because they were never saved in the first place.....God is essentially saying that you can't fall away from a point that you have never been!
 
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Do you believe Jesus testimony or not?

You can have doubts but how do you resolve them?
By being reassured of the promise of free everlasting life by believing Jesus is the son of God.
Thats how you and every believer restores them selves from doubts.

Free everlasting life means free everlasting life , not conditional part life but free not of works of law
or self works Life, but free unconditional freely given by God's free gift of Grace by the gift of believing Jesus is the son of God everlasting life.
Full of grace and truth.
So how does all this line up with 1 Corinthians 9:27? Paul made it quite clear that even he could lose it all and be cast away....

I would suggest a deep study of the book of Hebrews as well...
 
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So how does all this line up with 1 Corinthians 9:27? Paul made it quite clear that even he could lose it all and be cast away....

I would suggest a deep study of the book of Hebrews as well...
It doesn't line up with 1 Corinthians 9:27 if you read it as you do!
Paul also said this in Romans 7:
  • So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord

    And followed it up wit this in Romans 8:
  • Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you] free from the law of sin and death.
 
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I object very strongly to the way this topic has been introduced, phrased as it is in an combative and divisive terms. It is not calling God a liar to disagree with the once saved always doctrine. At worst, it is misunderstanding some of the more complex passages in the New Testament.

If we begin with humility, and respect for each other's views, we can aid each other in our conversations. Beginning with condemnation for all those with a different point of view is likely only to lead to a fight.
 
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I object very strongly to the way this topic has been introduced, phrased as it is in an combative and divisive terms. It is not calling God a liar to disagree with the once saved always doctrine. At worst, it is misunderstanding some of the more complex passages in the New Testament.

If we begin with humility, and respect for each other's views, we can aid each other in our conversations. Beginning with condemnation for all those with a different point of view is likely only to lead to a fight.
Amen brother !!
 
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Greetings,

I object very strongly to the way this topic has been introduced, phrased as it is in an combative and divisive terms. It is not calling God a liar to disagree with the once saved always doctrine. At worst, it is misunderstanding some of the more complex passages in the New Testament.

If we begin with humility, and respect for each other's views, we can aid each other in our conversations. Beginning with condemnation for all those with a different point of view is likely only to lead to a fight.
thank you for your input Hekuran @Hekuran
I agree with your comments.

Perhaps the Member who began this thread feels very strongly about what he/she considers to be fact and is not exercised in the ability to present his/her topic in a way that is not combative and divisive?

However, nobody is forced to fight, it is a choice we make if we so wish to.

The more i consider the whole topic, the more i see that a general misunderstanding is made by applying a concept of 'saved' and 'salvation to Scripture that overlooks some basic expression in communication that we have through that same Scripture.
We all can probably admit to at least once jumping on the band wagon and going along with the standard interpretations and commonly accepted views of things Scriptural until someone, by God's grace, opens our eyes to see that the same Scriptures actually say something different. if we only slow down and be still enough to read the words in the way they are written, which involves not much more than we expect from primary school students when they read a book out loud.

What I do know is that the LORD is faithful and He saves, always, those who call upon His name in truth. Our perception gets clouded when we forget some examples He has given to us in Scripture. For example, Joseph who was thrown in a pit, sold as a slave, falsely accused and spent time in prison. Who got saved and when?
Likewise, many times the LORD gave His promise in and through prophecy to the children of Israel and how many times did it not appear to come to those in their lifetime?

Another thing I know is that the time is short, meaning the coming of the LORD draweth nigh and we should be doing whatever we can to build each other up and if we see a need to warn or are given a need to warn, to do so accordingly but as the LORD directs us, not according to our carnal minds. We should not build each other up on heresy and lies and worldly comforts and distortions of truth that tickle our ears nor for the praise of men but should do all things only as directed by the LORD. That is not a licence to make oneself a spokesman for God but it is a call to examine first ourselves before Him, with Whom we have to deal with and then, and only then, IF He gives an order, obey it, whether it be to warn others or to remain silent, who to warn and who to let go their ways.
Too many of us [people who use the name of Christ by applying it to our self's and lives] like to think we have the answers and have the God given call upon our lives to judge others and use His Scriptures to do so, all the while ignoring our own need before Him Who is Holy.

I haven't as yet watched the video on the first opening post here but I must say the chap in the picture looks very comfy in his chair there. Nice shirt too. Not much of a beard for some reason. maybe he has too much time on his hands? However, I have not yet seen it but I do agree with what you said regarding the manner in which the thread was presented.


thank you again for your input,


Bless you ....><>
 
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You are just another "Nay-Sayer" regarding what is the absolute power of God. What YOU must understand is that: "all the warnings in the New Testament" about falling away are for true unbelievers, those who have indicated that they are true Christians but have fallen away because they were never saved in the first place.....God is essentially saying that you can't fall away from a point that you have never been!
Falling away is denial of this truth


9If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
 
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