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B-A-C

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I've seen over half a century go by. Things have sure changed.

When I was young most moms stayed at home and raised children. Today most consider even saying that a chauvinistic statement. Perhaps, but it was true none the less.

Kids then knew about respect and discipline. They knew about being punished, and they knew that even though they were sometimes punished, they were still loved.

Now a days so many moms are working, for so many different reasons,... often they are single parents just trying to survive. But for whatever the reason, many children these days are raised in day cares, some are latch key, who raise themselves. Often parents are gone most of the day. So they are raised by television, video games, peers, and their own experiences. Parents aren't always their to teach them about sharing, caring, compassion, self-control, consequences for certain actions and behaviors. Respect for elders and respect for their experience.
Now obviously this is the case for everyone... but I would say it is for the majority.

Not only have kids forgotten how to be kids, but adults have forgotten how to be adults.
We haven't taught our children respect, compassion, discipline... and it isn't their fault. It's ours. We have become afraid of discipline. In some cases, things that used to be allowed for discipline are now illegal by law.
People have gotten more selfish, more self-centered, more materialistic,and more detached.

The Bible says if we don't discipline our children, we don't love them.
It also says God disciplines those he loves.

It seems almost every day I hear the statement God is love. And He is....
(he is also Holy and Just) ... but love doesn't mean letting your children do whatever they want.
Sometimes it means trials, discipline, self-control, changing priorities, less selfishness, more compassion,
and becoming more like Jesus.

Somehow many of us believe that love only means letting people have what they want, do what they want,
and no consequences or punishment at all.. But this isn't love.

Some would argue our standard of living has gotten better. We have a better economy, we are better educated,
and we have more "stuff". While there is nothing wrong with having stuff... it seems many times the "stuff" has us.
We obsess over it, we work overtime for it, we neglect our family and kids for it, we even neglect our relationship with God for it. But what does it profit it to gain the whole world and forfeit our soul?

There are more people out of work than ever, the US has the highest rate of starvation and poverty of any time
in it's history. More violent crime involving youths, teenage pregnancies, and drug use. More juveniles in prison,
it's not hard to see the relationship between these statistics and the family. Moms aren't alone in this.
Fathers have left families, divorce rates are more than tripled since I was a child. Fathers are just as much to blame as mothers.

Another by-product of all this, is how we view our Father... not our earthly father.. but our heavenly Father.
Some of us have become convinced that because He loves us, he does punish us or discipline us.
But God doesn't change. Society might change, but God doesn't.

Somehow we have gotten the idea that if don't approve of everything someone does,.. we don't love them. As a parent of 4 children, and 3 step children.. I can tell you I love them all, but I don't approve of everything they always do.

God loves us all... but He doesn't approve of everything we do.
 
"And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven."

" Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God."

"My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:"

" I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father."

Many persons take the term 'little children' at face value as a surface term, but in the Bible it is really a parable sort of term for a true believer. In the first verse above, you can see that little children means persons who are converted to Christ, whereas those who are not little children are not converted. In the second verse you can see that the term little children is describing those who are part of the kingdom of God. The third verse is very important because it shows the term is not talking about just little kids of small age. After calling believers little children the verse then calls them men, by saying, "if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father". The fourth verse further defines the term by saying they are persons who have known the Father. This is language for believers generally.
 
"And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children,
ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven."

" Suffer the little children to come unto me,
and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God."

"My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not.
And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:"

" I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father."

Many persons take the term 'little children' at face value as a surface term, but in the Bible it is really a parable sort of term for a true believer. In the first verse above, you can see that little children means persons who are converted to Christ, whereas those who are not little children are not converted. In the second verse you can see that the term little children is describing those who are part of the kingdom of God. The third verse is very important because it shows the term is not talking about just little kids of small age. After calling believers little children the verse then calls them men, by saying, "if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father". The fourth verse further defines the term by saying they are persons who have known the Father. This is language for believers generally.
B-A-C / Pajaro

'Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
Who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world,
that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love:
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself,
according to the good pleasure of His will,
To the praise of the glory of His grace,
wherein He hath made us accepted in the beloved.
In Whom we have redemption through His blood,
the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace;
Wherein He hath abounded toward us... ... ;'

(Eph 1:3-8a)

Praise God!

Thank you both.
In Christ Jesus
Chris


 
I've seen over half a century go by. Things have sure changed.

When I was young most moms stayed at home and raised children. Today most consider even saying that a chauvinistic statement. Perhaps, but it was true none the less.

Kids then knew about respect and discipline. They knew about being punished, and they knew that even though they were sometimes punished, they were still loved.

Now a days so many moms are working, for so many different reasons,... often they are single parents just trying to survive. But for whatever the reason, many children these days are raised in day cares, some are latch key, who raise themselves. Often parents are gone most of the day. So they are raised by television, video games, peers, and their own experiences. Parents aren't always their to teach them about sharing, caring, compassion, self-control, consequences for certain actions and behaviors. Respect for elders and respect for their experience.
Now obviously this is the case for everyone... but I would say it is for the majority.

Not only have kids forgotten how to be kids, but adults have forgotten how to be adults.
We haven't taught our children respect, compassion, discipline... and it isn't their fault. It's ours. We have become afraid of discipline. In some cases, things that used to be allowed for discipline are now illegal by law.
People have gotten more selfish, more self-centered, more materialistic,and more detached.

The Bible says if we don't discipline our children, we don't love them.
It also says God disciplines those he loves.

It seems almost every day I hear the statement God is love. And He is....
(he is also Holy and Just) ... but love doesn't mean letting your children do whatever they want.
Sometimes it means trials, discipline, self-control, changing priorities, less selfishness, more compassion,
and becoming more like Jesus.

Somehow many of us believe that love only means letting people have what they want, do what they want,
and no consequences or punishment at all.. But this isn't love.

Some would argue our standard of living has gotten better. We have a better economy, we are better educated,
and we have more "stuff". While there is nothing wrong with having stuff... it seems many times the "stuff" has us.
We obsess over it, we work overtime for it, we neglect our family and kids for it, we even neglect our relationship with God for it. But what does it profit it to gain the whole world and forfeit our soul?

There are more people out of work than ever, the US has the highest rate of starvation and poverty of any time
in it's history. More violent crime involving youths, teenage pregnancies, and drug use. More juveniles in prison,
it's not hard to see the relationship between these statistics and the family. Moms aren't alone in this.
Fathers have left families, divorce rates are more than tripled since I was a child. Fathers are just as much to blame as mothers.

Another by-product of all this, is how we view our Father... not our earthly father.. but our heavenly Father.
Some of us have become convinced that because He loves us, he does punish us or discipline us.
But God doesn't change. Society might change, but God doesn't.

Somehow we have gotten the idea that if don't approve of everything someone does,.. we don't love them. As a parent of 4 children, and 3 step children.. I can tell you I love them all, but I don't approve of everything they always do.

God loves us all... but He doesn't approve of everything we do.

BAC,
I Totaly Agree. I was born in 1963 I was born 1 month after President Kennady was shot. Infact My Initials are JFL I was named after JFK. I have seen A lot change I remember the hippies my great uncle was kinda senile and lived out in the sticks We went to vist him and there was a bunch of hippies had overrun the property they were running around naked and stoned. I remember cause I saw the first few seconds of that untill my mom covered our eyes an put in the car and got out while the men ran the hippies off. I remember The soldiers (POW's) coming home from the vietnam. I was a kinda of a political nerd I remember watergate. I also remember about that time it was for me very sad cause I was a nerd for history also to me at the time I remember all the movies there were no Hero's. This is just my opinion but it seems to me that if you look at the late sixties untill 1976 there were no Hero's or if there was a hero they died. My father and mother were older they both born in the the twenties they used to talk of hero's like buck rogers and the such. I have to admit I was jealous of that generation I also remember all the nuttyness of the 70's to be honest with the 80's and the 90's all they way upto here. I think human nature has always been what it has been today we all have more communication toys but we actually communicate less. You may ask what does that have to Jesus, well in Christ I have hope he is in control while we as a society seem even further away from him I also know that he is closer than ever. I know this is true for me, the things in the world are things and it is our cooperation is what makes them evil or good. take the internet you have things like porn but you also have great things like this site that we can all share. So I say do not harden your hearts all things are true but do not doubt that he is in control for it is the evil one who tries to fool us that he is winning, but we all know like in one of the old movies the True Hero of the World will show up and save the day. No worries maybe some disappointment cause you see so many in sin and they only hurt themselves and in doing so they hurt us cause they are our brothers and sister in christ even if they don't want to acknowledge who made them. It does change the fact that he did create them. Pray for them,Love them as Christ Loves you.
Just my two cents
May the Peace and Love our Lord Jesus Christ be with you forever and ever. Amen.
 
B-A-C / Pajaro

'Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
Who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world,
that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love:
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself,
according to the good pleasure of His will,
To the praise of the glory of His grace,
wherein He hath made us accepted in the beloved.
In Whom we have redemption through His blood,
the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace;
Wherein He hath abounded toward us... ... ;'

(Eph 1:3-8a)

Praise God!

Thank you both.
In Christ Jesus
Chris


Thanks very much for your scripture quote Chris. Very relevant and appreciated.
 
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